CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[cloudajo]

The below was posted by Bob's daughter JuM on August 4, 2009. Read it and tell me if it makes any sense. Father is missing, calling local hospitals and coroner's office, then going to her missing father's house to change the linens.


My dad lives in Placentia which is no where near Van Nuys, I believe is near LAX he lives between John Wayne Airport and Ontario Airport. I appreciate the lead. I did learn something that when he went missing, before I went dth to get the house ready, linens changed for he and his wife; I started to call all the local hospitals. Then I was directed to call the Coroner's office which I did and they had only 1 John Doe and he was Hispanic. They did however have me e-mail me photos and all his information to them and they would send out a "blast fax" which is a huge distribution list to all the hospitals and other institutions.

 

[Seajay]

If Bob had JuM get these new sheets and he had arranged for Agnes to be there to get the house ready for Fontelle's return, why wouldn't they be there for Agnes to change? It sounds like someone besides Agnes always made up Bob's bed, including putting on fresh sheets since she said that Bob always made his bed, so why wouldn't either Bob have Agnes put on those sheets or Bob do it himself?? Why would he have his daughter come down from RS to do it??

I know what kind of sheets my parents have because in their old age, they can't do it themselves anymore. My sisters and I do those types of chores for them when we go up there. They do not have a cleaning lady. We are the cleaning ladies. LOL FWIW

 

[Montjoy]

One wonders how JuM would have any idea of whether or not Bob's sheets were matched at all.

Does anyone think that there was a conversation like this, between some domestic couple, somewhere? "Honey, I'm home! Your dad disappeared, but more to the point, his sheets were mismatched, and I'm concerned that he and his housekeeper might overlook such an egregious and consequential mistake, so perhaps you should run DTH with some new sheets (the ones you didn't give him yesterday, maybe) and make his bed."

"Yes, I'll drive down there tomorrow. Nothing I'd rather do! Why don't you just stay up here and rest for a while -- you look exhausted as if from heavy lifting."


All of this is just speculation, of course.

 

[MaryNo]

I've always thought Bob was alive when he left that house, and then killed, or left to die in his ultimate destination. Giving him a little something would have made him a lot more pliable when it came time to get him out of the house. :twocents:

Yes, I do find it a bit odd for any adult child residing in their own home to know what type of sheets their parents have on their bed. I wouldn't have the first clue what kind of sheets my parents have on their beds, and wouldn't after I was past the age of being a young child crawling into bed with them in the middle of the night.

I can't even explain Julie's knowledge of what is on her parents bed due to her caring for her ill mother, who was in a different bed on the 1st floor of the home.

Giving those sheets a little more thought, I suppose it is possible JeM gave something to Bob in the am after his "convenience store" visit which caused Bob to become ill, lay down, and then JeM just waited for whatever to take effect and carry him out.

It's a little more plausible, imo, since JeM did suggest to police Bob may have come down ill...

and perhaps JuM was worried some kind of fluids/forensic evidence might be on those sheets.

Did she ever turn the sheets over to LE?

 

[Cubby]

Perhaps JeM's dna would have been on the sheets if he carried him out from the bed or pulled him off the bed in his sheet. I don't there would be any logical reason for JeM's dna to be in/on Bob's bed anywhere..... Perhaps that's the story behind JuM's removing/replacing the sheets.

 

[MaryNo]

BBM
Nope, not me - no one that I know, with an ounce of rationale, would think this.

I know that I wouldn't go down the hill to change sheets without a chaperone if my husband had suggested that a vehicle had been suspiciously driving in the neighborhood the day before, coincidentally, on the day my father went missing. No way would you get me down there alone.

I've always pondered why she felt safe enough to go down there alone, and why Jeff allowed her to do so. Hmmm ...

One wonders how JuM would have any idea of whether or not Bob's sheets were matched at all.

Does anyone think that there was a conversation like this, between some domestic couple, somewhere? "Honey, I'm home! Your dad disappeared, but more to the point, his sheets were mismatched, and I'm concerned that he and his housekeeper might overlook such an egregious and consequential mistake, so perhaps you should run DTH with some new sheets (the ones you didn't give him yesterday, maybe) and make his bed."

"Yes, I'll drive down there tomorrow. Nothing I'd rather do! Why don't you just stay up here and rest for a while -- you look exhausted as if from heavy lifting."


All of this is just speculation, of course.

 

[deca]

Sorry if this has been answered already...

so what happened to the mismatched sheets after they were switched out? Did she wash them? Did they disappear?

 

[zwiebel]

Okay, so sis had Bob buy new sheets for the newlyweds, however, as zwiebel posted in the memorabilia list:

46. Linens on antique bed as well as the silk bed skirt and sheets on king-sized bed in master bedroom.

Funny, the sheets are hers although Bob bought them?

You have a good point there. If Bob paid for them for Fontelle and himself, she should give them back.

As someone pointed out upthread, memories are funny things and mistakes can be made. Maybe JuM made some other mistakes about things she thought Bob wanted the family to have?

 

[zwiebel]

Sorry if this has been answered already...

so what happened to the mismatched sheets after they were switched out? Did she wash them? Did they disappear?

I don't think we know. Taking a wild guess, I'd say they are no longer around.

 

[zwiebel]

Respectfully snipped.

He lost a lot of weight in the past couple of years taking care of Georgia and then Sassy. I guess he was about 160-170. I don't think 140 would be accurate. I don't know his eye colour. I never really thought about it. You have probably seen his picture in various stories. He was balding with a little hair on the sides and back. He always wore a hat outside. He had a bunch of them next to the front door. He ALWAYS wore his glasses. That was the first clue for me. He could not see without them. He mostly wore white pants with a pastel, pullover top. He had a plaid shirt he would wear sometimes. He walked very slow. He would walk around the neighbourhood a couple of times a day and then once after about ten or so at night. I remember him calling me several times to tell me I had left my garage door open when I had forgotten to close it.

I just found this. Look at this description. This was written by the neighbour and friend of Bob's, who LE didn't speak to for a long, long time after Bob went missing.

This contains more useful info about Bob in one paragraph than son-in-law, grandson and daughters have ever issued. There is more evidence it's accurate too, as there is a pic of Bob in the plaid shirt, whereas I've never been able to find him in an all-white outfit. The only thing he couldn't answer was about the eye colour, but then there was confusion about that from family too.

How I wish LE had managed to speak to him on day one. The cold feet and dementia theory would have been blasted out of the water.

I think he settles the weight question that has been bugging some people too. It seems that Bob lost weight while caring for his sick wife and dog. Maybe he didn't get enough help or something? Nothing to do with Fontelle or hairdressers or a sudden decline just before he disappeared.

I'll bring up the post about the change for the better in Bob once Fontelle appeared, just in case there is still any doubt.

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[Doester]

I just watched the Disappeared episode. What was the son-in-law doing upstairs for so long when the CL asked him to check upstairs (presumably to make sure Bob wasn't dead and she didn't want to be the one to find him)? Seems to me that he was checking for anything he forgot to clean up / hide.

 

[zwiebel]

Also, note the 'I remember him calling me several times to tell me I had left my garage door open' sentence.

That doesn't suggest the type of man who would have been happy to leave a door unlocked while son-in-law went out. I think JeM must have had a key. For various reasons, I don't think JeM would have left the house unlocked during his shopping trips either, whether Bob was in the house at the time or not.

 

[murdock3]

quick question, watched the disappeared episode and seen two of the 3 daughters spoke on it, was the daughter that wasn't involved in the episode married to the son-in- law which was last to see bob alive??

 

[Cubby]

quick question, watched the disappeared episode and seen two of the 3 daughters spoke on it, was the daughter that wasn't involved in the episode married to the son-in- law which was last to see bob alive??

Yes, Bob's youngest daughter is married to the SIL and did not participate in the show.

hth and welcome!

 

[Cubby]

I just watched the Disappeared episode. What was the son-in-law doing upstairs for so long when the CL asked him to check upstairs (presumably to make sure Bob wasn't dead and she didn't want to be the one to find him)? Seems to me that he was checking for anything he forgot to clean up / hide.

Good question. I've always thought he was cleaning something up, or trying to gather himself for a very unexpected situation with the cleaning lady showing up a day earlier than her usual day.

I suspect the original plan was for the cleaning lady to be the first person to find Bob missing. That would have likely happened if she hadn't shown up a day early. Thank God she showed up early.

hth and welcome!

 

[tamild]

I've always thought Bob was alive when he left that house, and then killed, or left to die in his ultimate destination. Giving him a little something would have made him a lot more pliable when it came time to get him out of the house. :twocents:

I have a similar belief, but I think it was as simple as asking Bob to ride along to the hardware store. :twocents:

 

[Seajay]

You know what I would love??? For Bob to come walking in his front door of his home where Fontelle is waiting for him. Man, I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the girls hear about that. If he were alive and came back, they'd sure have some big time 'splanin' to do. I bet they'd get more than a 6 month ban from his life and they wouldn't be getting now $15,000 this time either.

Which bring me to this: Those girls act like they know this is not a possibility. They are acting like they know that their father is never coming back, otherwise they would not have behaved the way they have. kwim????

 

[suzyq211]

BBM
Nope, not me - no one that I know, with an ounce of rationale, would think this.

I know that I wouldn't go down the hill to change sheets without a chaperone if my husband had suggested that a vehicle had been suspiciously driving in the neighborhood the day before, coincidentally, on the day my father went missing. No way would you get me down there alone.

I've always pondered why she felt safe enough to go down there alone, and why Jeff allowed her to do so. Hmmm ...

YES! That was one of the things that really stuck out to me!!!!

 

[suzyq211]

You know what I would love??? For Bob to come walking in his front door of his home where Fontelle is waiting for him. Man, I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the girls hear about that. If he were alive and came back, they'd sure have some big time 'splanin' to do. I bet they'd get more than a 6 month ban from his life and they wouldn't be getting now $15,000 this time either.

Which bring me to this: Those girls act like they know this is not a possibility. They are acting like they know that their father is never coming back, otherwise they would not have behaved the way they have. kwim????

Yep! It started from day one, as well. From the Grandson stopping his mortgage payments, to the vile comments on another forum, to the flying to court to grab control of the money. They seemed to "know" from the very beginning IMO.

 

[Angelo]

i just watched the disappeared episode. What was the son-in-law doing upstairs for so long when the cl asked him to check upstairs (presumably to make sure bob wasn't dead and she didn't want to be the one to find him)? Seems to me that he was checking for anything he forgot to clean up / hide.

yes!!!!!!!