CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[MaryNo]

Because Fontelle was due back the next day, I've always felt Bob was alive when he was disappeared. Less of a mess that way.

BBM Yes! I've wondered if Bob even woke up on his own that day. I like Cubby's theory that maybe he was given a little something to make him drowsy. And someone else added to that Bob was convinced to go along on one of the son inlaw's trips, and the son inlaw took a little detour on the way.
My own thoughts aren't so generous. I feel he was wrapped in a sheet, forced in the truck, and left out "wherever" to die. I think this is a brutal clan - and this is reinforced by their treatment of some of the animals that showed up in the Michael's backyard a couple of Autumns ago. Julie posted on that at Rim Of The World. I'm suspicious of the phone calls on that day, and if anyone really spoke with Bob. I'm very anxious to hear about the phone records.

Since forensically there is nothing to show foul play inside the Carnation house, what if JeM got him to leave on the pre-text of getting something for a repair and then passed him off to one of the other family members who did whatever to him??? Either AH or his loving wife? That would also answer for why there was nothing in the Ridgeline either. Just trick Bob into getting in the vehicle with him, then take him to someone else and pass him off. Then he goes about his business and gets receipts proving he was taking care of business. It could have been right after Bob got up and got dressed and before he was able to make his bed.

 

[Cubby]

Since forensically there is nothing to show foul play inside the Carnation house, what if JeM got him to leave on the pre-text of getting something for a repair and then passed him off to one of the other family members who did whatever to him??? Either AH or his loving wife? That would also answer for why there was nothing in the Ridgeline either. Just trick Bob into getting in the vehicle with him, then take him to someone else and pass him off. Then he goes about his business and gets receipts proving he was taking care of business. It could have been right after Bob got up and got dressed and before he was able to make his bed.

I thought Det. R said he couldn't talk about what was found or not found in the house.

IIRC, it was only Jeff's truck that didn't have any evidence a dead body was transported in his truck, or that Bob died or succumbed to injury in his truck.

IMO, she alluded to Bob's dna being found in the truck, but nothing forensically to link a crime having occured in the truck.

I have not seen anything to rule out foul play occuring in the home.

 

[MaryNo]

Are you allowed to tell me what CCFTM stands for? Either I don't know, or have totally forgotten. I'm not good with remembering all the initials people use these days

Thank you in advance! :rose:

I don't know if I am allowed the link the page but can be found at CCFTM. There are some comments made about the Disappeared episode from the daughter.

 

[Cubby]

Because Fontelle was due back the next day, I've always felt Bob was alive when he was disappeared. Less of a mess that way.

BBM Yes! I've wondered if Bob even woke up on his own that day. I like Cubby's theory that maybe he was given a little something to make him drowsy. And someone else added to that Bob was convinced to go along on one of the son inlaw's trips, and the son inlaw took a little detour on the way.
My own thoughts aren't so generous. I feel he was wrapped in a sheet, forced in the truck, and left out "wherever" to die. I think this is a brutal clan - and this is reinforced by their treatment of some of the animals that showed up in the Michael's backyard a couple of Autumns ago. Julie posted on that at Rim Of The World. I'm suspicious of the phone calls on that day, and if anyone really spoke with Bob. I'm very anxious to hear about the phone records.

Colored by me. You're not alone in that thought. JuM seemed rather excited when discussing her husbands whooping stick, how he shot out the eye of a gopher and how she enjoyed watching predators toss around and kill their prey in her back yard.

I couldn't help but wonder if the thought of her husband hurting her father got her as excited.

There is no doubt, this is a brutal clan.....

 

[CanManEh]

My apologies if I wasn't clear. The full episode which someone linked in this thread is no longer working. YouTube still has the episode for sale.

hth and sorry for any confusion.

Oh okI get ya now..I just know you can watch it for free on good old you tube..

 

[Cubby]

I don't know if I am allowed the link the page but can be found at CCFTM. There are some comments made about the Disappeared episode from the daughter.

Just so some of our newer folk can come up to speed, if you try and link a comment or a webpage, and you see ***, it is not permitted to link it from Websleuths.

That also means the comment isnt available for discussion-I apologize if I started a line of discussion based upon something that cant be linked, but Oh My Land.

Bringing this to the current page.

 

[MaryNo]

We know from other cases what it means when people enjoy torturing/hurting animals.

BBM Reading this made my stomach lurch. I think it's a huge possibility :-(

Colored by me. You're not alone in that thought. JuM seemed rather excited when discussing her husbands whooping stick, how he shot out the eye of a gopher and how she enjoyed watching predators toss around and kill their prey in her back yard.

I couldn't help but wonder if the thought of her husband hurting her father got her as excited.

There is no doubt, this is a brutal clan.....

 

[inthedark14]

Hi my WS friends...I haven't posted on Bob's threads before, but I've read so much heartbreaking info here, but I just had to say that I insisted the DH watch the ID episode...just because I babble on about cases and talk his ear off, sometimes when something is MSM, he will pay attention.

Let me preface this by saying I hadn't told him a lot about this case, minimal at best...I wanted him to make his own decision, just from watching this show neither of us had ever seen. When we finished watching, he looked at me and said "Did those women hate so much that their Dad remarried? (DH lost his mom at only 25, his dad remarried) Why in the world would they do this" **Please note, I've adapted his much more colorful antidotes** "It was either his daughters or her husband, even the cop said so".

I hope I'm not breaking any TOS saying this, and I meant to post this days ago...but there it is...someone who has never read these threads, someone who just saw it for the first time in the "story" version on ID.

ETA: Agnes is of Polish decent, by my guess and she will for sure stand behind what she's saying and how she felt about her employer. Utrzymują wiarę

 

[Angelo]

Do you remember during the Disappeared show when the cleaning lady was telling her story I got the feeling that when she said she was afraid to go upstairs right , Did you get the feeling that she was in away trying to say something was up with his son just the way she said he was up there for a bit am i the only one that got that feeling that she was saying he did something because he took so long to say no he is not up here maybe its nothing but i got the feeling she was hinting at he was doing something up stairs...

Yes...yes...yes!!!

 

[noZme]

Because Fontelle was due back the next day, I've always felt Bob was alive when he was disappeared. Less of a mess that way.

BBM Yes! I've wondered if Bob even woke up on his own that day. I like Cubby's theory that maybe he was given a little something to make him drowsy. And someone else added to that Bob was convinced to go along on one of the son inlaw's trips, and the son inlaw took a little detour on the way.
My own thoughts aren't so generous. I feel he was wrapped in a sheet, forced in the truck, and left out "wherever" to die. I think this is a brutal clan - and this is reinforced by their treatment of some of the animals that showed up in the Michael's backyard a couple of Autumns ago. Julie posted on that at Rim Of The World. I'm suspicious of the phone calls on that day, and if anyone really spoke with Bob. I'm very anxious to hear about the phone records.

WELCOME to all newcomers to this thread!

I have posted a couple times that I think it's likely that Mr Bob walked out of his house on his own steam. "Come with me to the store Pops", then driven somewhere, put out of the car/truck, hit, shot or whatever & shoved off the roadside into a canyon..... No muss, no fuss at the house. No evidence of violence in the auto.

Sad, but I think there are at least 2 family members who were capable of such heartless actions.

It's unfortunate the cleaning lady's arrival was too late to save Bob, but she is Bob's angel in that so much more is known than would have ever come to light without her. It seems the cops knew early on she was the only one with reliable information.

ETA: I saw the show on ID & I'll have to go back & look, I guess it was Amazon. I purchased the show for a very small amount... like a couple or 5 bucks. Maybe someone posted the link here, I have Amazon Prime so it was just one more click to buy the episode. Mr noZ has me hooked up!

 

[TDW59]

I have not seen the program yet..looking forward to it.

I have a theory about one of the daughters and would really like to take a closer look at postings well before and then after Bob"s disappearance. I understand those links cannot be posted on this public forum but wonder is someone can PM them to me?
Frankly I see hints of a certain mental illness being present and not properly treated...which might account for certain inexplicable seeming things.

Still wonder if any of the daughters had any history of domestic violence and esp if there has been any between JuM and JeM.
I am afraid I am techie challenged or could research that myself..but am not familiar with criminal records or police reports.

I also wonder why Bob (and Georgia) did not have their trust recorded at the county courthouse? It's common practice to do so and costs little. His personal one, as well. hmmmm.

totally MOO

 

[zwiebel]

I hope someone can help you out with more info on those postings. I think they will.

Daughters have said repeatedly they only wanted to see a copy of their mother's will, and this had been filed at the courthouse months before. They could have picked up a copy themselves, anytime.

 

[zwiebel]

Colored by me. You're not alone in that thought. JuM seemed rather excited when discussing her husbands whooping stick, how he shot out the eye of a gopher and how she enjoyed watching predators toss around and kill their prey in her back yard.

I couldn't help but wonder if the thought of her husband hurting her father got her as excited.

There is no doubt, this is a brutal clan.....

Just checking.....this is the animal-loving vegetarian daughter, correct?

I'm a veggie too. I've developed a resuscitation technique for fruit flies that fall in drinks. Feel free to laugh. EVERYONE does. But I have a 95 per cent success rate, so I'm happy.

 

[zwiebel]

I have not seen the program yet..looking forward to it.

I have a theory about one of the daughters and would really like to take a closer look at postings well before and then after Bob"s disappearance. I understand those links cannot be posted on this public forum but wonder is someone can PM them to me?
Frankly I see hints of a certain mental illness being present and not properly treated...which might account for certain inexplicable seeming things.

Still wonder if any of the daughters had any history of domestic violence and esp if there has been any between JuM and JeM.
I am afraid I am techie challenged or could research that myself..but am not familiar with criminal records or police reports.

I also wonder why Bob (and Georgia) did not have their trust recorded at the county courthouse? It's common practice to do so and costs little. His personal one, as well. hmmmm.

totally MOO

I don't know if this will help, but there are some in-depth interviews with JuM at the link here. Long before Bob disappeared, when she donated a kidney to a stranger. Son-in-law JeM is obviously present during one too, although he doesn't speak to the interviewer directly. JuM speaks for him. First link has a pic of her posing in front of a poster she is signing.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, Time Line and Media Links only

 

[zwiebel]

One article also mentions the psychological evaluation all donors must take.

Also, that both JuM and son-in-law have worked at a hospital.

 

[zwiebel]

Academic article on altruistic donation, for anyone who is interested. From a quick skim, main character traits associated with it are benevolance and leadership.

Can't fault JuM here, imo. She did a very good thing for someone and really helped publicise the cause.

http://www.academia.edu/391685/Altr...ers_donor_motivation_and_interpersonal_values

 

[MaryNo]

She can donate a kidney to a total stranger, but can't drag herself away from the computer, even for a few minutes, to search for her father.

I'll take "She's Altruistic for 100 Alex" ...

 

[Angelo]

She can donate a kidney to a total stranger, but can't drag herself away from the computer, even for a few minutes, to search for her father.

I'll take "She's Altruistic for 100 Alex" ...

Even while on her computer, JuM did not post anything about the Disappeared episode featuring her father's case. JuM averages over 20 posts a day on her community forum.

 

[suzyq211]

That's my gut feeling, too. Especially after having learnt not only did AH change his last name from Michaels to Harrod, he added or changed his middle name to Robert. The names being so close, AH knowing Bob's personal info and having a computer at Bob's house. And iirc, at one time JuM had posted on her community forum her son is a computer genious.

IDK, but hope to heck, a forensic accounting was or is being done in this case.

It would not surprise me in the least to learn one of those twists Det. Radomski wouldn't be surprised to see happen, was the public learning AH was doing some creative financing with Bob's money.

Yes!! If Bob were planning on adding Fontelle to his accounts, etc. perhaps anything suspicious would have come to light? I dont really know how all that works.

 

[believe09]

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Weeeellll I was being a trifle sarcastic.

Not a doubt in my mind that Bob was the one taking care of Georgia.

Mel.

Me too, my friend. :blowkiss: