CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[believe09]

I really enjoy everyone's observations. TDW59, thank you for being so candid regarding your experiences with being BiPolar. It cant have been easy, and I hope life is good for you now. :blowkiss:

 

[TDW59]

QUOTE: I think if you re listen to PIO Loomis speak about the truck, I dont believe she said there was no forensic evidence found in it. I think she said there was no evidence discovered that Bob had died and been transported in it, etc. She also goes on to say that it would have been natural to find Bob's DNA in the truck.

So, I would assume they found Bob's DNA in the truck. I wonder where the DNA was found. QUOTE

Thank you, Believe!

 

[TDW59]

Re: cleaning the bathroom.
I would bet on this one

The CL is a conscientous and methodical person. She has her certain routines and methods down cold. It's the only way to be successful.

She would have cleaned and polished the mirror, wiped down all horizontal surfaces, the tub, toilet, shower door and sink. and mopped or swiftered the floor (or vacuumed?) and emptied the trash can EVEN if it looked clean. Because that is her job AND a fresh clean scent is as important as a clean looking surface. The clean smell is a BIG part of customer satisfaction and very pleasing. It is the thing customers comment on the most. and love.

I cannot see her skimping on her duties. If she were too uneasy to perform, she would have re-scheduled.

I don't think the common language of "dark place" & etc significant or revealing anything significant. Will explain why after my nap.

More questions to explore later. and I wonder if I will ever catch up!

 

[Oriah]

I think if you re listen to PIO Loomis speak about the truck, I dont believe she said there was no forensic evidence found in it. I think she said there was no evidence discovered that Bob had died and been transported in it, etc. She also goes on to say that it would have been natural to find Bob's DNA in the truck.

So, I would assume they found Bob's DNA in the truck. I wonder where the DNA was found.

I am curious about the white SUV depicted by the show in place of a black SUV. I doubt that Peacock productions was having difficulty locating a black SUV on the day that they shot that portion of the show. As zwiebel pointed out, perhaps there was a desire to provoke memories in folks on the street of a white vehicle involved in suspicious behavior.

BBM:
That was one of the things that struck me as very odd as well. It's almost as if they chose the exact opposite- maybe not just to provoke memory, but to provoke protest about accuracy.

 

[zwiebel]

Well, I think they got those protests! But I don't think it was an accident. There's a pretty big gulf between black and white......

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

Re: cleaning the bathroom.
I would bet on this one

The CL is a conscientous and methodical person. She has her certain routines and methods down cold. It's the only way to be successful.

She would have cleaned and polished the mirror, wiped down all horizontal surfaces, the tub, toilet, shower door and sink. and mopped or swiftered the floor (or vacuumed?) and emptied the trash can EVEN if it looked clean. Because that is her job AND a fresh clean scent is as important as a clean looking surface. The clean smell is a BIG part of customer satisfaction and very pleasing. It is the thing customers comment on the most. and love.

I cannot see her skimping on her duties. If she were too uneasy to perform, she would have re-scheduled.

I don't think the common language of "dark place" & etc significant or revealing anything significant. Will explain why after my nap.

More questions to explore later. and I wonder if I will ever catch up!

Well, I never did. But people here are really kind if you slip up and make a mistake though.

 

[Oriah]

Well, I think they got those protests! But I don't think it was an accident. There's a pretty big gulf between black and white......

Lol I meant... person(s) who may call in and say "It was black! Not white!! Remember, I told you black!"
(Then again- maybe the vehicle observed at the time was white with a lot of dirt or dust on it.)

 

[zwiebel]

There was also a post somewhere, I think, from one of the daughters about having the carpets cleaned? Anyone?

 

[zwiebel]

Lol I meant... person(s) who may call in and say "It was black! Not white!! Remember, I told you black!"
(Then again- maybe the vehicle observed at the time was white with a lot of dirt or dust on it.)

Okay, gotcha. It is really interesting to me that the vehicle in the episode was white though. Very interesting......

 

[Cubby]

There was also a post somewhere, I think, from one of the daughters about having the carpets cleaned? Anyone?

Add the carpet cleaning to the list of evasive unanswered questions by Bob's daughters. Daughter RB posted at one time that Bob planned to have the carpets cleaned, but never acknowledged or responded to questions with regards to when and by whom the carpet was cleaned, if it was cleaned.

IIRC, daughter JuM also posted, or rather boasted, on her community forum about how well vodka removes the odor of vomit from carpets. Leaving myself wondering if Bob's carpet reaked of vodka anywhere, or if any particular area's were wet or damp.

She did have the doors open and appeared sweaty when being interviewed the day following her dads disappearance. I've always wondered if those doors were left open due to humidity within the home due to wet/damp carpets.

 

[Cubby]

FWIW, I specifically agree with believe09's theory on provoking memory of a suspicious white vehicle the day of Bob's disappearance. It had never occured to me, but once believe' pointed it out, I agree with that theory as sure as the sun is going to set today and rise tomorrow morning.

Hopefully the tips are coming in and PPD is able to put more pieces of the puzzle together.

 

[deca]

I hope no one is offended by this line of speculation:

Is there a reason why they would have made Bob "disappeared" rather than have him die in a fatal "accident" at home? A financial reason?

Follow me here: you have an 81 year old man in a two story house. You want money. Couldn't an accident be arranged? There would be no one the wiser. An old man tripped and fell. Of course, there could be the chance that he lived- so that is a risk. Or, you could replace some medication with some other medication and claim he took it by mistake?? IDK

But really, then you would have the body without (too much) of a cloud of suspicion. LE probably wouldn't have looked too closely. Accidents happen. Once you have the body ALL the money would be legally yours, right?

I would think if it was premeditated, taking Bob out in the middle of the day where neighbors, workers, whoever have the potential to see you would be SO risky. That leads me to believe that Bob's death had to be sudden or hurriedly planned. Otherwise, I would imagine that they would have removed him from the house in the middle of the night?

 

[Cubby]

Not an offensive line of questioning at all, deca. Someone explained upthread, in one of the threads, why it was more beneficial for Bob's daughters to have a missing Bob than a deceased Bob. I can't recall the explanation, but later this evening when I am not rushed I will see if I can find the post and carry it over, unless someone else is able to find it first.

 

[believe09]

Thats not at all offensive, deca, and it is one of the reasons I am uncertain of the level of planning here. I am committed to the belief that there has been a great deal of luck experienced by the person(s) who disposed of Bob. It wouldnt surprise me if there was a tad bit of tunnel vision early on because the idea that there could be a conspiracy of several people, and that someone wouldnt give in, is probably pretty uncommon.

I think, however, that when everyone has their hands a little dirty and you have the equally unusual personalities involved in this case, I can see why the silence has continued.

The longer it goes on, the worse it is going to be when the case breaks however. Worse and worse and worse. I mean this is the kind of stuff you wind up screaming in your sleep over.

 

[believe09]

Not an offensive line of questioning at all, deca. Someone explained upthread, in one of the threads, why it was more beneficial for Bob's daughters to have a missing Bob than a deceased Bob. I can't recall the explanation, but later this evening when I am not rushed I will see if I can find the post and carry it over, unless someone else is able to find it first.

This just occurred to me-having him missing gives two of them the ability to have total access without splitting or sharing. If he was dead, you have to factor in JuM and Mrs Harrod to some extent.

 

[suzyq211]

I hope no one is offended by this line of speculation:

Is there a reason why they would have made Bob "disappeared" rather than have him die in a fatal "accident" at home? A financial reason?

Follow me here: you have an 81 year old man in a two story house. You want money. Couldn't an accident be arranged? There would be no one the wiser. An old man tripped and fell. Of course, there could be the chance that he lived- so that is a risk. Or, you could replace some medication with some other medication and claim he took it by mistake?? IDK

But really, then you would have the body without (too much) of a cloud of suspicion. LE probably wouldn't have looked too closely. Accidents happen. Once you have the body ALL the money would be legally yours, right?

I would think if it was premeditated, taking Bob out in the middle of the day where neighbors, workers, whoever have the potential to see you would be SO risky. That leads me to believe that Bob's death had to be sudden or hurriedly planned. Otherwise, I would imagine that they would have removed him from the house in the middle of the night?

Right. Also, it had to be in a way that could not be explained away by an accident. :-(

 

[zwiebel]

I hope no one is offended by this line of speculation:

Is there a reason why they would have made Bob "disappeared" rather than have him die in a fatal "accident" at home? A financial reason?

Follow me here: you have an 81 year old man in a two story house. You want money. Couldn't an accident be arranged? There would be no one the wiser. An old man tripped and fell. Of course, there could be the chance that he lived- so that is a risk. Or, you could replace some medication with some other medication and claim he took it by mistake?? IDK

But really, then you would have the body without (too much) of a cloud of suspicion. LE probably wouldn't have looked too closely. Accidents happen. Once you have the body ALL the money would be legally yours, right?

I would think if it was premeditated, taking Bob out in the middle of the day where neighbors, workers, whoever have the potential to see you would be SO risky. That leads me to believe that Bob's death had to be sudden or hurriedly planned. Otherwise, I would imagine that they would have removed him from the house in the middle of the night?

I can really see this....except Bob was a Missouri boy. He's not around to show us what he was made of, but Fontelle is:

"He would not have left on his own."

"If they think this Missouri hayseed, or whatever you want to call me.."

"I just want people to come forward..."

I don't think Bob would have co-operated. I don't think he would have died on demand. I think he went out fighting and maybe the damage he caused as he went would have led to a few home repairs, if you were the houseproud type.

I think Bob let Fontelle slip from his grasp the first time....I think he went down fighting to stay with her, the second. Just my opinion.

 

[believe09]

I think Bob let Fontelle slip from his grasp the first time....I think he went down fighting to stay with her, the second. Just my opinion.

I agree completely.

 

[cloudajo]

Re: cleaning the bathroom.
I would bet on this one

The CL is a conscientous and methodical person. She has her certain routines and methods down cold. It's the only way to be successful.

She would have cleaned and polished the mirror, wiped down all horizontal surfaces, the tub, toilet, shower door and sink. and mopped or swiftered the floor (or vacuumed?) and emptied the trash can EVEN if it looked clean. Because that is her job AND a fresh clean scent is as important as a clean looking surface. The clean smell is a BIG part of customer satisfaction and very pleasing. It is the thing customers comment on the most. and love.

I cannot see her skimping on her duties. If she were too uneasy to perform, she would have re-scheduled.

I don't think the common language of "dark place" & etc significant or revealing anything significant. Will explain why after my nap.

More questions to explore later. and I wonder if I will ever catch up!

Agree if she was allowed into the bathroom. Maybe she was kept out.

Also, it looks like the bathroom Jeff was working in is upstairs - at the top of the stairs going up. You can see the same bathroom at 23:36, 25:12, and 25:14. The pic at 25:14 is marked "Actual Police Photos."

 

[believe09]

Agree if she was allowed into the bathroom. Maybe she was kept out.

Also, it looks like the bathroom Jeff was working in is upstairs - at the top of the stairs going up. You can see the same bathroom at 23:36, 25:12, and 25:14. The pic at 25:14 is marked "Actual Police Photos."

OK- So the bathroom and the white vehicles seem to be highlighted in the show. There is a message here to someone.