CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[Cubby]

Bob disappeared on Monday, and the girls had already retained an atty who suggested Mrs Harrod be thrown out on the street. Another family meeting occurred one day following Mrs Harrod's return.

One Day.

And this family meeting occured while JuM was staying with AH. Hmmm.

 

[Cubby]

Maybe this post could have caused a bit of a stir?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

Good catch! I do believe one of the posts indicated "Tex" was concerned about AH's debts to his grandfather.....

let me see if I can find and link it, brb.

 

[Cubby]

"Tex" did talk to police at the time of Bob's disappearance.
Friends remember him talking about the nephew and his debt/loan and his suspicion of this nephew.
Tex should be back at the end of this month/beginning of April, as per a call to a friend of mine that talked to him last month.
Another friend and I were worried that the family did him in, too!

Yes, I swear I will grill him as soon as I can!!!

The above was posted in the evening of March 25th. There's the tie to March 26, imo.

(For those new/er to Bob's case, Tex is the nickname we have given middle daughter R's former husband.)

 

[Cubby]

I don't think you've missed anything where we worked anything out. There are plenty of places where we have worked through ideas, but I don't know if any of us are near 'the' answer.

My own opinion is, police did find some forensic evidence inside Bob's home, during the last search in 2011. Oriah made a good post somewhere about forensic traces that can remain for years.

As the housekeeper never usually came on Mondays, Bob's friend and neighbour had moved, and Bob had become quite isolated - I think whoever disappeared him felt safe that no-one would call at the house, and their first concern would have been to remove the main body of evidence.....and that would have been Bob.

Bouncing off this post.... We have to consider JuM's calls to elder abuse services as well. How would anyone know they would not show up at Bob's on Monday? Or where they told Mrs. Harrod would arrive on Wednesday, hence their showing up on Wednesday?

just a thought....

 

[Cubby]

<snipped>

IMO this ^.

I believe he came back from dumping Bob's body :-( to make sure nothing was overlooked/ repair anything that needed fixing.

That's exactly what I thought too. Especially since this was the trip for which he couldn't provide a reciept.

 

[Cubby]

I don't think my nerves will stand it when the trial comes.

I so hope Bob is located before any trial. I hope Mrs Harrod doesn't ever have to live on the hope that a convicted person will 'do the right thing', because they hardly ever do, I think.

I hope Bob is found too, we all do.

I still want to see the person(s) responsible held accountable to the fullest extent of the law, whether he is found or not. I want to see Mrs. Harrod get her wish for justice.

It's been awhile since I posted the following link, but it is interesting reading, imo.

http://www.nobodycases.com/

 

[TDW59]

Thanks Believe. I am finding going thro' those ladies' club thread tiring. and I am only reading on one thread atm.

You know, I just was there and went back to look at the 3-26 post and there is NO mention of drinking. It speaks of all day chemo treatment and being very tired and painful and then says..took Vicodin(s)? and was gorked.

I said oh snap, I made a mistake. But then I looked down at the sheet of paper where I was marking post numbers, dates and observations that caught my interest. And there it is in pencil.....meds & drank.

Now I feel like I am losing my mind!

I hadn't run into any physical labor yet so thanks so much for the heads up.

I did find mention of 2 yard sales last year and this:

We were bored and turned on PawnStars and I spotted the (the exact copy or original) of my mom and dad's silver candelabras that mysteriously disappeared. I wonder if his Winchester was pawned too. *sigh* Whatever... nothing is sacred at all anymore.

http://forums.rimoftheworld.net/showthread.php?60-claire/page1585

 

[Cubby]

Her sister RB was in charge of loading up the truck and 'emptying' Bob's home....

I wonder why she didn't just ask her sister what she did with the candelabra's and Winchester? as opposed to complain about it on her forum.

Perhaps that means the sisters are estranged from one another?

ETA: Then of course there is always the possibility they were 'disappeared' because they are the murder weapon.... Maybe they were disposed of with the sheets and old materials from the 'odd jobs' done in Bob's home on the day of his disappearance?

 

[dreamweaver]

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive”

Sir Walter Scott quotes (Scottish Novelist, Poet, Historian and Biographer, 1771-1832)


Lies. When someone lies, they have to remember the lie and then remember the next lie; the liar must live the lie.
IMO: That would be harder than most people would think. Then, pretty soon, they are spinning in that web they created.

 

[Cubby]

dream', so good to see you post! Always good to see you post. :blowkiss:

We miss you lot's around here!

I hope you were able to view Bob's disappeared episode.

 

[Cubby]

Bob disappeared on Monday, and the girls had already retained an atty who suggested Mrs Harrod be thrown out on the street. Another family meeting occurred one day following Mrs Harrod's return.

One Day.

BBM. This just made me realize it's probably very likely Mrs. AH knows a lot more than I had previously thought. If her MIL, JuM, was at her home for a few days, it's not likely Mrs. AH was kept in the dark about what was going on.

I had hoped she was kept at a distance from this, but with her mil staying with them and a second family meeting, likely at AH's house, I don't think she is that far removed from the details of what is/was happening among her husband and inlaws with regards to Bob's disappearance. When it occured, and now. Yikes.

 

[TDW59]

Cubby,

It brought to mind that on the famous memorobilia list, it listed pawn tickets in a safe.

I don't think Bob pawned ANYTHING.

However AH, who I feel certain was stealing from his grandfather...

According to JuM, she just recently helped her older sister who had to have a surgery and also broke her femur.
There was a small comment that indicated the middle sister was troublesome.

I did see a flash of bitterness...saying that she had been told she could go to college and wanted to be a dr but was only allowed jr college. ummmm, she would need a bachelor's degree first and there ARE student loans.

 

[believe09]

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive&#8221;

Sir Walter Scott quotes (Scottish Novelist, Poet, Historian and Biographer, 1771-1832)


Lies. When someone lies, they have to remember the lie and then remember the next lie; the liar must live the lie.
IMO: That would be harder than most people would think. Then, pretty soon, they are spinning in that web they created.

:bow: :blowkiss:

To the one that started it all....much love, dreamweaver.

Just tell. Someone should just tell, just say the words. It cant be any worse than what dreamweaver just described.

For our newer members, dreamweaver was the sleuther who created the social media pages for the girls when Bob went missing, and who pursued a successful correspondence with PPD to draw attention to Bob's case. Yes, it was a dreaded WSer that put the girls in the best position to reach out on the www and try to recover their dad.

Once she turned the control over to the daughters, the pages were used for some sick games, to capture IP addresses for the purposes of intimidation, and then ultimately they went private.

 

[believe09]

According to JuM, she just recently helped her older sister who had to have a surgery and also broke her femur.

I dont believe she helped, if the situation was even real to begin with. I think she arrived. As usual, RB was left to do the heavy lifting. The more you read, the more you discover who is always left to do the heavy lifting.

I did think the timing of all of it was pretty interesting, if you are a conspiracy theorist.

 

[believe09]

I bring up RB as the heavy lifter because RB supervised the clean out of the house. It took more than one day, and although she brought her PI/Bodyguard, it must have been a pressure cooker situation. I find it incredibly sad that this family continues to throw one another to the wolves. No matter what you think about Bob's disappearance, there is safety in numbers and RB was all alone. It must have been horrible.

It adds insult to injury, imo, for her sister to imply that RB disappeared items from the clean out of the house. JuM and JeM should have shown up themselves. The bulk of the items belonged to them, so they claimed.

 

[believe09]

And then there was the recent bone marrow registry claims:


Quote:

I received an e-mail this morning from the Bone Marrow registry when I signed up at City of Hope in 1990, as Jeff and I were platelet donors, my platelets matched a young boy from New Hampshire who survived his bone marrow transplant due to my platelets. Now the difficult decision is...how can I turn my back on someone in need for a transplant. The best thing I did was donating a kidney 11 years ago, she lived for 10 more wonderful years but the heartache of her passing the end of this year broke my heart, she did not die from the kidney, she had a massive stroke in her sleep, her husband called and kept thanking me for the best 10 years of her life. *sigh* I think I should not do this bone marrow donation as I am having so many physical issues and needing my hip replaced, the transplant would stall the hip replacement for another 6 months. OMG, I can change another life, this is all preliminary right now as I'd have to go through all the testing again... When should I say no? If I say no, would that be selfish? I come to my over the fence friends and share as my husband might have to have a bone marrow transplant if his lymphoma comes back aggressively...what if someone matched him but did not come forward...this decision is another life changing event, I am so torn.

**HUGS** to all.
Bone Marrow Exclusion Criteria:

http://marrow.org/Join/Medical_Guide..._Registry.aspx

There is absolutely no way with her posted medical history that she would even be considered.

However she posts this:
Quote:

Okay, I just called the bone marrow registry and discussed my health, since I have degenerative osteoarthritis and having to have a major joint replaced, they said my health is more important and that they told me they cannot put me through the donation. Okay, now I can go ahead without the heart wrenching decision...they made it for me. I will remain in the registry if at a later date they need me they will again contact me.

Shenanigans.

I am bumping my own post here...clearly if this conversation had actually occurred outside of her own head, the registry would have removed her immediately. Her single kidney alone would have met the criteria for refusal, much less the other health claims she has made.

My point is that you have to cherry pick here...maybe that in and of itself is pure genius.

 

[TDW59]

Believe....duh! on me. I should learn to engage brain before mouth!

After you noted that JuM's illnesses I pretty much copied from her laments may be fictional or overexagerated, I realized they cannot be true. If they were, she would be in pain management and that does not mean vicodin.

My roomie has osteoarthritis and fibromylgia and is prescribed morphine.
My ex had back problems and was prescribed several strong narcotics.

Vicodin is largely tylenol...which is really hard on the kidneys to boot.

The bone marrow thing is pure grandiosity imo. ( the high pole of bipolar)

 

[Mels3kidz]

Believe....duh! on me. I should learn to engage brain before mouth!

After you noted that JuM's illnesses I pretty much copied from her laments may be fictional or overexagerated, I realized they cannot be true. If they were, she would be in pain management and that does not mean vicodin.

My roomie has osteoarthritis and fibromylgia and is prescribed morphine.
My ex had back problems and was prescribed several strong narcotics.

Vicodin is largely tylenol...which is really hard on the kidneys to boot.

The bone marrow thing is pure grandiosity imo. ( the high pole of bipolar)

I've taken Vicodin once following dental surgery and it made me hallucinate.

Mel.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

MaryNo said:

I feel Bob may be closer than we think, because of Agnes showing up in the middle of the disappearing. The route taken could be the closest as you surmise, but I feel in my gut that it's also one that is taken often, to keep an eye on Bob's location for disturbances, etc. It's possible Bob hasn't been found, because the starting point is possibly incorrect.
*******

Mel: I just keep coming back to the hwy up into Running Springs. Its very twisty. I virtually drove it on google earth and there are so many places along it where the sides drop off into steep canyons. It would take a very few seconds to push a body off the sides of one. That's why I was curious about that body found last year. Someone on the ROTW forums posted last April asking if any one knew what the commotion on the hwy was about. Someone else answered saying that a body of an elderly man was found and they wondered if "Jules knows". She popped on fairly soon afterwards was "sick to her stomach" and she contacted her sister who was going to call the Placentia police ect.

I just think he's somewhere that when he is found they'd know quickly...maybe even before the ID is made.

Mel

This makes me wonder if JuM doesn't feel able to communicate with Placentia Police herself, directly. Why would that be?

Early on after Bob disappeared, I believe one of her fellow posters sympathised with her over her husband being 'hassled' by police, and offered to provide her with the name of a low-cost lawyer.

I don't see how JuM and JeM can claim to really want Bob to be found if they have closed down all lines of communication with the police department dealing with Bob's case.

 

[zwiebel]

Wow. I just found this old article about the arrest of someone over a person missing for 30 years. And look at the reason LE gave:

'But Torrance Police have said his arrest is based on that explanation changing during the past 30 years.'

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/05/michael_clark_carol_jeanne_lub.php

The article also mentioned that he changed his name. The follow-up article below details the grief he has caused his own son through not only his actions, but his years of deceit afterwards. Even his victim's family were fooled for years, but LE never were.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_22527210/killer-michael-lubahn-clark-changes-story-again-torrance