CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[Cubby]

Thank you Believe & Cubby!

I misremembered the time on the receipt..the time you gave me fits much better.

And, yes, I thought I had read that their were donuts....
and colas?

I have some reading up to do before I go on with my theory.

IIRC it was doughnuts and paper plates.

 

[deca]

Wouldn't it be a great break if it was found that on his way back from CVS, food was picked up (coffee or the donuts)? I would assume that something purchased from CVS was crushed up and hidden inside this food item to poison/incapacitate Bob. Bob then felt ill or passed out and was taken out of the house willingly or unwillingly.

There has gotta be a break in this case someday. It is driving me nutso.

 

[Seajay]

Kinda weird to go to CVS for doughnuts and sodas. Usually you go to a grocery store or a convenience store like 7-11 for those items. For CVS you go for precriptions, OTC meds, little gifts, things like that.

 

[zwiebel]

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ETA Not off topic, I can't work out why Bob popped up there, or recall any question like that here.

 

[zwiebel]

Kinda weird to go to CVS for doughnuts and sodas. Usually you go to a grocery store or a convenience store like 7-11 for those items. For CVS you go for precriptions, OTC meds, little gifts, things like that.

I always thought it would be for convenience as the pharmacy was en route from JeM's house. But what Det Radomski said in Disappeared makes me think JeM was maybe staying with son AH since the Sunday meeting, and I don't think there is a CVS between Windflower Lane and Carnation.

 

[believe09]

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The reason I brought up the donuts is because all of you peaked my interest with the discussion of an additive of some kind.

 

[zwiebel]

I wonder a little about the paper plates. Didn't Bob have any plates in his house? Or were the plates brought to eat the donuts in JeM's car? That seems a little fussy and unlikely to me.

 

[zwiebel]

FYI

The reason I brought up the donuts is because all of you peaked my interest with the discussion of an additive of some kind.

Ooh. If it's a berliner (as they're called over here) donut without a hole, isn't the jam injected into the middle? So I suppose other things could be injected too.

 

[zwiebel]

I just googled donut images to try and see injection holes. I have made myself SO hungry and there is no way on earth to get a donut at this time in the morning here.

I'm sure the jam is injected through a small hole into the centre though......the paper plates though? Easily disposed of, leaving no trace? If the housekeeper hadn't turned up, there would have been no used plates in the sink to give a clue anyone had ever been there, apart from Bob, that day.

 

[Cubby]

FYI

The reason I brought up the donuts is because all of you peaked my interest with the discussion of an additive of some kind.

Using this post as a spring board.....

I keep wondering if liquid benedryl is sweet enough to mix in with Bob's morning coffee and Bob not notice it? Or JeM say it is some fancy creamer flavor? Or some other kind of morning drink? Liquid benedryl would work pretty quickly.

I'm also curious, as others are, what type of pain med's JuM or JeM may have been prescribed back in 2009. I wonder if perhaps either were prescribed something that could have incapacited Bob quickly.

Though, I keep going back to liquid benedryl... CVS and something quick. A few doses added to a drink and Bob might have not made it from the kitchen to his bathroom or bedroom without falling over. Just a thought...

 

[believe09]

Can we ponder powdered donuts as well?

 

[Cubby]

I wonder a little about the paper plates. Didn't Bob have any plates in his house? Or were the plates brought to eat the donuts in JeM's car? That seems a little fussy and unlikely to me.

This is probably unlikely, but perhaps JeM and AH discussed what they were going to do about Bob late Sunday evening or early Monday morning over doughnuts and coffee? Who knows, maybe AH sent his wife and kids to her folks or on a vacation somewhere so they weren't around for the heated family meeting and subsequent disappearance of Bob.

Hmmm....

 

[Cubby]

Gosh, and now that we are discussing the possibility of Bob being disabled by spiking his food or drink, I'm wondering if LE found any human vomit during their forensic search and recalling JuM's posting about how Vodka covers the smell of vomit. Perhaps if Bob ingested something which made him ill, he vomited and whatever he ingested could be determined by forensically examining the vomit.

In addition to JuM's comment on her community forum about Vodka cleaning up the odor of vomit, I do recall LE stating via the Disappeared episode JeM suggested to LE that perhaps Bob fell ill.

 

[deca]

Besides Benedryl there are also regular old sleeping pills. Last I looked they were regular and aspirin like- white and able to be ground into powder.

I think it would be easier to slip something into coffee. CVS usually just sells donuts with holes (plain, powdered, chocolate kind) and holes. I don't think I have ever seen filled donuts there and I just don't see how you can spike a regular donut without someone noticing UNLESS it was something super potent that would take affect with one bite. Not sure exactly what that would be.
I guess they would just want Bob either 1)drowsy or "out of it" 2) very ill
Either of those two would suffice to get him out of the house, by force or by pretense of getting him to a doctor.
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I would like to hear if the CL smelled anything up there. She probably didn't. I would also like to know if she heard running water, flushing, or anything like that.

...
So, lets say Bob ate something spiked. He felt a little off and decided to go upstairs and maybe sat or laid on his bed. JeM goes up and "helpfully" gets Bob downstairs and into the car.
After JeM returns and the CL arrives, JeM goes upstairs and sees what? Vomit that needed to be cleaned? Maybe it was something as simple as the bed, normally made precisely, is out of whack. Rather than trying to make it up like Bob did, he simple "unmade" it?

IDK sorry for rambling. It has been a long day.

 

[Seajay]

Benadryl knocks me out. I take one every night before going to bed, especially right now since my allergies are kicking my behind.

I can get an OTC store brand in capsule form, so I can see it being really easy to open up the capsule and dump the white powder in a cup of coffee without Bob being the wiser or it tasting bad or anything. It would indeed make him drowsy.

 

[zwiebel]

Although I can see how there would be many ways to medicate Bob into a stupor, I'm not sure if I entirely understand why anybody would do that. I can't really see the benefits.

Having a drugged person to remove from the house would present the same problems as having a deceased person to remove, imo. Except there would be the added danger of Bob rousing from his stupor and making a fuss. I would have thought there were easier means and ways to persuade him to get into a car and go somewhere, on a pretence.

The problem then would be if Bob realised he wasn't being taken where he expected. No abductor would want a stubborn, elderly passenger drawing attention to the vehicle by struggling as the car was being driven along.

I'm always drawn back to the conclusion that Bob left the house deceased. There are other explanations for vomiting besides being ill. Shock or injury can cause that reaction too, I think.

 

[believe09]

I wonder what is going on at City-Data?

Yet again, another Robert Merle Harrod thread has been shut down.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/true...merle-harrod-placentia-ca-5.html#post29009014

 

[zwiebel]

That happened a while ago. I'm quite glad in a way. There's a long post there that can't be deleted now, I hope?

 

[believe09]

That happened a while ago. I'm quite glad in a way. There's a long post there that can't be deleted now, I hope?

Thanks, zwie. Do you know why? I asked the mods. I will make sure I have screen captured everything. I also notified all the peeps who private messaged me how to get the video off of Amazon and you tube so they can have their own copies.

 

[zwiebel]

And there is a new discussion about Bob on the Disappeared facebook page to make up for it. I am hoping that may be shared and spread.

And there is always the (faint) hope that whoever set up the bobharrodstillmissing fb page will actually do the right thing and DO something with it. How long does it usually take to set up a fb page, anyone?