CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[bourne]

Andrew is the son of JuM and JeM. He is Mr Harrod's only grandchild.

Also, please note from his depo that AH asked for a reference to an attorney, not a criminal attorney.

~jmo~

Yes I'm aware re: grandchild, Zwie already stated the same in two previous posts.

I was given the impression that AH specifically requested a defense lawyer, not just a civil attorney from the discussions above my post. Can someone provide a link to this? TIA

 

[bourne]

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I have been very convinced of this much. That is why I was transcribing the deposition. I don't pay to do searches so I was not aware of criminal theft in the past. Could you expand upon that?

I would need some time to think about and gather my thoughts and impressions on why I do not think ARH is responsible for Bob's disappearance.

If I am wrong, so be it. I just want Bob's case solved before he is declared deceased...and also hope that he will be found.

Hi, this info about AH's past criminal history was given to me in PMs by another poster. I'm not going to breach the poster's confidential PMs here. I will say that the poster did extensive background checks on AH and that is what s/he found.

 

[believe09]

BBM

Can someone point me to where I can find this? All I've found is a speeding ticket and a petty charge involving trash receptacles.

IIRC, it was his wife who pled guilty to disturbing the peace on the trash receptacle stuff, but no matter.

I really wish some of his neighbors on Windflower would chime in. I wonder if the trash business had something to do with less than friendly relationships.

 

[believe09]

I would bet that he HAD signed checks or opened fraudulent accounts in Bob's full name or that he WAS IN THE PROCESS of doing so.

This is an interesting thought. IF there is something like this in his background, LE has it for sure.

 

[Cubby]

BBM It's not his termination of payment itself which makes AH's actions suspicious, but the statements he himself made about his MOTIVATION for ceasing payments in the deposition with Fontelle Harrod and her lawyer that make AH suspicious.

AH outright stated that he believed that upon Bob Harrod's DEATH, the loans he made with Bob were forgiven. This is significant because AH stopped his scheduled loan repayments to Bob A FEW DAYS after Bob went missing. This means AH believed Bob was already DEAD within A FEW DAYS of Bob's disappearance. Why would AH believe that Bob is DEAD unless he knew something we don't? Most people in AH's position as a family member of Bob's would have at least waited for a COMPLETE INVESTIGATION by LE before making such firm, definitive conclusions about their own grandfather. The fact that AH LEAPED SO QUICKLY to this foregone "death" conclusion about Bob is highly suspect.

BBM. Add to that In less than 24 hours after Bob's disappearance, his youngest daughter, AH's mother, posted on her community forum that they suspected foul play.....

JuM, AH both demonstrate actions within DAYS of Bob's disappearance that they know he is deceased and AH's father - JuM's husband is the last known person to see Bob alive who can not account for his time during the few hours prior to the housekeeper's arrival. Doesn't get much simpler than that.....

If I were a betting gal, I'd bet JuM, JeM and AH will be charged with some degree of murder and PB and RB will be charged with accessories after the fact as well as hampering an investigation. It will be interesting to see how close that is to what actually happens when this case is finally solved.

What if Det Rad has enough to charge one, but with no statute of limitations is waiting to charge all 3 at once? It's something that crosses my mind, often.

 

[Cubby]

Andrew is the son of JuM and JeM. He is Mr Harrod's only grandchild.

Also, please note from his depo that AH asked for a reference to an attorney, not a criminal attorney.

~jmo~

We don't know what type of attorney he was asking about. Neither criminal or civil was specified. That does not mean he was not asking about a criminal attorney, it just means it wasn't stated that way in the depo.

 

[zwiebel]

That's a good point Cubby. At least on TV, you never see someone demanding "I've got nothing to say, I wanna see a criminal lawyer!"

I suspect it applies in real life too. Lawyers I've known have always complained at getting cornered at social events by people asking them about family law, for example, when they specialize in something completely different.

 

[Laughing]

Didn't someone post briefly as "Trisha" shortly after the Disappeared episode aired in the US?

Possibly was placed on Time Out or even banned?

IDK how to look that sorta thing up....

 

[zwiebel]

IIRC, it was his wife who pled guilty to disturbing the peace on the trash receptacle stuff, but no matter.

I really wish some of his neighbors on Windflower would chime in. I wonder if the trash business had something to do with less than friendly relationships.

These kind of disputes can get really bitter in England too, and go on for years. It's so small there that a foot of land is worth going to court for - or even less!

When they get to the stage of citations or court, there is usually a lot of 'background' behind them I think. I wish we had Placentia residents chipping in, but I fear many of them were under the impression Bob's case had been resolved long ago.

You never know though - perhaps they are watching and waiting since "Long Lost Love', seeing if it's safe to jump in!

 

[Cubby]

Didn't someone post briefly as "Trisha" shortly after the Disappeared episode aired in the US?

Possibly was placed on Time Out or even banned?

IDK how to look that sorta thing up....

Not that I am aware of and we can not sleuth members per TOS.

 

[zwiebel]

There is something odd in the way Bob's family's relationships play out to me, there really is. It's almost like the timeline and what has been said about Bob - a mass of contradictions. Family backing each other up but also threatening legal action, veterans and (possible?) draft dodging anti-authoritarians, meetings where everyone's happy but later one sis accuses the other of being quick to temper, children loving their dad but not seeing him.....

I'm really surprised there hasn't been an implosion by now. Maybe there is a solitary factor keeping them all united?

 

[Cubby]

There is something odd in the way Bob's family's relationships play out to me, there really is. It's almost like the timeline and what has been said about Bob - a mass of contradictions. Family backing each other up but also threatening legal action, veterans and (possible?) draft dodging anti-authoritarians, meetings where everyone's happy but later one sis accuses the other of being quick to temper, children loving their dad but not seeing him.....

I'm really surprised there hasn't been an implosion by now. Maybe there is a solitary factor keeping them all united?

BBM. The money.

 

[believe09]

They are covering for each other-even if we hadnt already figured that part out, Detective Radomski said it specifically and clearly on Disappeared.

 

[TDW59]

You can do a search on here or, even on google, for Andrew Harrod deposition and it will come up in order to view the dialogue about requesting an attorney from Mr. Algorri. I spilled things on my paper copy, otherwise I would flip thro it and find it fairly easily for you. It's one of the few things AH recalls. Mr Algorri asks him if he remembers it and he says yes. Then Mr Algorri establishes that he had no expectation of any special treatment. AH affirms this.

Since Bob has all girls and AH was the first male heir, I do think this placed him in both a position of entitlement and tremendous pressure to be successful. But keep in mind, his inheritance would only be $10,000. That's a long way from being affluent as expected of him and by him.
His mother belittles and demeans those of lesser means. Also stated that Bob had not been generous with him or the great grandkids for Christmas.

As pointed out above, AH is not the only one to believe and act as if Bob were dead so very early on.

In his testimony he vaguely agreed that he had last seen Bob about a week before.
He was there to meet LE when they arrived for the welfare check and blurted out that there had been a family argument the day before and that Bob was frustrated about it. He wasn't there, so who and why did his mother, father or one of the sisters..or Bob tell him about it?
It would only effect him in that his parents would inherit less and therefore they would have less to pass on to him..or if financial irregularities were or were about to be discovered. The latter would be quite a disaster.

I can't see him being able to "lure" Bob out that day. Bob was busy and had plans of his own that took up the day.

Not for the first time, I ask, what would his parents do to insure he was not a convicted felon they visited in jail? Did they not have additional motives of their own on top of this?
I agree with Zweibel that there are irregular dynamics and there is a conspiracy of silence especially amongst the triad of JeM, JuM and AH.

I can imagine several scenarios for AH and would like to think about them more before I propose them here.

I hope Cubby is right that LE has this case mostly put together and is just waiting to dot all i's and cross all t's in order to charge all who are culpable.

 

[zwiebel]

Well, I don't want to be impolite but I think LE may have waited a bit too long. Still, a phenomena might always come along......

There are also all the 'yellow' bits of paper that PB found, that she didn't want to reveal. Why not? If Bob helped one family member out so freely, it seems logical to me he may have done the same for the others. He would have kept notes, of course. That's one thing daughters seem to agree upon.

But.....given that daughters seem to have had unfettered access to Bob's house almost from the moment he disappeared is it possible some outstanding debts were also 'disappeared'?

Or is that too cynical?

 

[Cubby]

With AH right around the corner from Bob's at the time the heated family meeting occured, perhaps he found out by way of everyone except Bob moving from Bob's home, to AH's home to discuss what had occured at the meeting?

 

[Cubby]

Daughter PB: “There was a family meeting on Sunday, it was heated at times, there were NO threats and we all left on good terms.”

Daughter RB: "It wasn't a heated meeting," she said in a phone interview. "Dad got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them."

A little odd PB added there were no threats when not prompted.......

Makes me almost bet threats were in fact made. Fine example of the family covering for each other, imo.

Now to know, who threatened who and what exactly were the threats?

 

[zwiebel]

That is very interesting if she stressed there were 'no threats' just out of the blue. I wonder if perhaps something LE had asked was still playing on her mind?

Seems reasonable to me that LE would have asked all the family members what went on at that last meeting of theirs, the day before Bob vanished into that heated Californian air. What I would really, really like to know of course, is if all the family's statements about what happened that day and who said what, agree.

I suspect two things;
Either they flat out contradict each other
Or the statements are uncannily, unnaturally alike.

 

[zwiebel]

Had to add; every time I see Bob's thread hit the top of the home page, I always have a little hope that someone has posted news of an arrest.

It never happens though and I'm so used to that it's made me expect the same for every case I look at. Yesterday I wrote a long post for one case complaining about the lack of progress, speculating why etc, and it was only when I went to post it I noticed the word 'arrest!' written in big, bold letters across the top of the thread!

It does happen. It'll happen in this case too. When it does, I think there will be at least one person who will bitterly regret not being the first past the post to the DA.

 

[Oriah]

Had to add; every time I see Bob's thread hit the top of the home page, I always have a little hope that someone has posted news of an arrest.

It never happens though and I'm so used to that it's made me expect the same for every case I look at. Yesterday I wrote a long post for one case complaining about the lack of progress, speculating why etc, and it was only when I went to post it I noticed the word 'arrest!' written in big, bold letters across the top of the thread!

It does happen. It'll happen in this case too. When it does, I think there will be at least one person who will bitterly regret not being the first past the post to the DA.

BBM:
Hear, hear!

Incredibly, I think some person(s) involved may still be shocked by it. They appear to try and live in two worlds at the same time; the real one, and one that is completely made up-and believed- in their head(s).

For some inexplicable reason, the party(s) who may be involved in Mr. Harrod's disappearance remind me of AB in Zahra Bakers case. Living in their head(s) a chosen life of lies and illusions, whitst existing- eating, drinking, breathing, going shopping, posting on the web, making home improvements, having surgeries, going fishing... the list goes on and on.

Please do not misunderstand- it is not my opinion that those who are missing a loved one need to cease to exist in the 'real world' and devote everything inside themselves that keep their soul routed in this world to their missing person. Sometimes this can be healing and cathartic, and sometimes it is damaging, all-consuming, and ruining depending upon the individual case and person.

But this 'virtual' reality vs 'reality' ...simply too hard to digest for me without there being guilt and guilt by association involved. In fact, impossible.
mvhoo, of course.