CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

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  • #401
Maybe, it was firsthand knowledge. It could have been, "Hi Dad, just making sure Jeff got there yada yada ya" Have a good day. I love you", or whatever. She could have been the 10:00 am caller. "28 hours ago" seems too specific of a number to be "just guessing."

Excellent question!

Especially since the first time given for her father having gone missing (her community forum) was within 10 minutes of that 10:00am call, and then the given times move from there. Her 1:50pm post on the 28th of July, indicated her dad went missing about 9:50 am or "28 hours" ago.

I'd like to know not just when, but also how.
 
  • #402
I've read mention of a "spendthrift clause" somewhere in the docs. Does anyone have any information about that? TIA

I can't recall where that was. Maybe in the workshop thread? I'll look.
 
  • #403
Maybe, it was firsthand knowledge. It could have been, "Hi Dad, just making sure Jeff got there yada yada ya" Have a good day. I love you", or whatever. She could have been the 10:00 am caller. "28 hours ago" seems too specific of a number to be "just guessing."

I might be jumping off a cliff here, but I am not sure that PPD would consider her an unbiased resource of information like this. ;) IIRC, it was someone who was not family....that was the qualifier used.
 
  • #404
BBM

This is one of those things that nag at me. Bob is presumed to be alive, so what would her "share" be? Is this from Georgia's part of the estate and, if so, did the other daughters get their share paid out to them also? I haven't seen anything to indicate that.


OY. I typed that in with trepidation because I don't recall much more than this in the document. That and the decision was NOT to reduce monies to Fontelle.
I don't recall monies going to the ladies from Georgia's will, she bequeathed jewelry.

I will have to re-read those documents a bit later.

Thanks for the math on the mortgage!!
 
  • #405
OY. I typed that in with trepidation because I don't recall much more than this in the document. That and the decision was NOT to reduce monies to Fontelle.
I don't recall monies going to the ladies from Georgia's will, she bequeathed jewelry.

I will have to re-read those documents a bit later.

Thanks for the math on the mortgage!!

I've been driving myself nuts trying to follow the money!

I'm stuck on that $800 rent thing, and then stumbled onto spendthrift clauses which, I think, protect the fund against a beneficiary using promises of future disbursements as collateral. I'm not really sure because I'm learning as I go. LOL
 
  • #406
LOL, I hear you Tamild!

I found this from Ca code posted by Believe on sept-27-2010:

Hi guys-while I am waiting for this or that, I have been doing some reading on how conservators are appointed in Orange County etc. Check this out:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp.../consforms.htm

The conservators of an estate have a number of duties to perform in the hopes of preserving the finances of the conservatee (I.E. Bob Harrod)

"If the court appoints you the conservator of an estate, you manage the conservatee's finances, protect the income and assets, make an inventory of the conservatee's assets, develop a working plan to make sure the conservatee's needs are met, make sure the conservatee's bills are paid, invest the conservatee's money, ensure the conservatee is receiving all benefits he/she are entitled to, ensure tax returns are filed on time, keep accurate financial records and make sure your financial records are reported to the court. (Note: the assets and finances of the conservatee are known as the estate.)

1.) Managing the Estate Assets
a) Prudent Investments
b) Keeping Estate assets separate from anyone else's, as in no co-mingling.
(For example: No conservator could take 100K from the estate to buy themselves stocks to invest in their own portfolio, or to add on to their home if it was not owned by the conservatee...things of that nature.)
c) Interest Bearing accounts-with the exception of checking accounts used for the purposes of administrative duties, all estate assets must earn interest.
d) Other Restrictions: Without prior order of the court you may not pay fees to yourself or your attorney, make a gift of estate assets or borrow from the estate. If you do NOT obtain the courts permission, you may be removed as a conservator or be required to reimburse the estate with your own assets.

2.) Inventory of Estate Property
a) Locate Estate's property. For real estate you must record a copy of your Letters of Conservatorship with each county where the conservatee owns property.
b) Determine the value of property: you must have a court appointed referee determine the value of the property unless the court waives this appointment.
c) File an Inventory and appraisal- Within 90 days after your appointement you must file an inventory or appraisal with the court.

3.) Insurance
You should determine if there is appropriate and adequate insurance covering the assets and risks to the estate. (This is essentially a bond covering the value, I would think.) Maintain the insurance for the entire period of administration."

So I have to ask myself a few things-was there an inventory performed within 90 days which would be sometime in August, correct? Is there a bond insuring the assets and finances of the estate in place? And have the conservatee's bills been paid?

We know that the bills have not been paid, since at least the utilities were shut off. That alone violates the duties of a conservator. JMO.
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  • #407
Gees, shoot me down for trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. Can't blame a girl for trying. :floorlaugh: Don't you be jumping off of any cliffs, then we'll have TWO people to research here. Maybe, throw a big trampoline down ahead of you ;)

Okie dokie will keep brainstorming. :)

I might be jumping off a cliff here, but I am not sure that PPD would consider her an unbiased resource of information like this. ;) IIRC, it was someone who was not family....that was the qualifier used.
 
  • #408
Gees, shoot me down for trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. Can't blame a girl for trying. :floorlaugh: Don't you be jumping off of any cliffs, then we'll have TWO people to research here. Maybe, throw a big trampoline down ahead of you ;)

Okie dokie will keep brainstorming. :)

Please dont think I am picking on you, lol...I actually got a huge kick out of your post because I was imagining her telling PPD that she was SURE she spoke to her father 28 hours prior... just kidding.

I think the genius of JuM is that it takes a lot of legwork to figure out what might be fact and what might be fiction.
 
  • #409
Possibles for a non-family 10am call?
Social Services (re tuesday welfare check)
Accountant (re marriage/accounts)
Attorney (ditto)
Hairdresser
Carpet cleaning/hiring firm
Mail delivery firm (with Fontelle's parcels)
Stair elevator firm (maybe Bob wanted to remove it for Fontelle)
Doctor
Bank
Newspaper/TV people

Just some ideas that have crossed my mind.
 
  • #410
If that 10am call was from the hairdresser, she may have unwittingly helped confirm her own alibi.
 
  • #411
Monday's likely for a media call too - when reporters get to pursue and confirm stories they know they'll be running later in the week - in this case, Fontelle's return.
 
  • #412
Respectfully recolored, and BBM :)
Never! :rose:

It's a conceivable image :floorlaugh: or "Psyche!" :floorlaugh:

The problem with the floating timeline is no matter how we slice it, "28 hours ago" makes Paula's phone call unbelievable, and puts Jeff even deeper in the doo.

Maybe, caller ID was checked when the welfare check was done. Paula said something to the effect of Bob having had a lot of phone calls already that morning. I think it would be reasonable to check the caller ID, to begin tracing the flow of the day. But then, why would Julie assume that the 10 am phone call was the last time Bob was known to be in the house, which disagrees with Paula's statement of "a lot of calls"?

My guess is she was told BEFORE she'd talked with officials, by someone that had access to the caller ID?

Also, when did Andrew tell the police that there'd been a "heated meeting" on Sunday? I'm confused on this. Was it the night of the welfare check? Was it 2 or 3 days later? I need to recheck this, because it's just coming to mind as I type. In his depo, he states that the last time he'd seen Bob, before his disappearance, was about a week.


Please dont think I am picking on you, lol...I actually got a huge kick out of your post because I was imagining her telling PPD that she was SURE she spoke to her father 28 hours prior... just kidding.

I think the genius of JuM is that it takes a lot of legwork to figure out what might be fact and what might be fiction.
 
  • #413
I think AH first told police about 'fighting in the family' on Monday night, when they entered Bob's house with him. He declined to say more, so I don't think it was actually him who mentioned the meeting.
 
  • #414
Maybe JuM was subconsciously telling the truth with the 28 hours and the we think 12-1PM.

Both times her husband was in the house.

I would really like to know if anyone else stopped by while CL was cleaning. I keep going back to the white vehicle pictured in Disappeared vs the black vehicle that JeM apparently reported to JuM who dutifully reported it to Mrs Harrod who passed it along to PPD.

I mean, I am assuming that JeM didnt turn over his Ridgeline to Peacock Productions for the filming of the show. So they got a hold of a Ridgeline. I am sure they could have found a black SUV.

It had to be a message to someone.
 
  • #415
I don't see that white for black substitute as an accident either.

I do think JuM's maybe one? was an accident though, just because she then went backwards to twelve. She was speaking backwards. Could that mean she was thinking backwards too; calculating backwards in time?

If so, what could she have been calculating back from?
 
  • #416
I'm not up on props people - though I've always admired them from afar - but Josh Penchina was associate producer for Bob's episode, and I can't see him putting up with a props master who makes a mistake like that.

Incidentally, all the casting calls asked for actors playing son-in-law JeM to be 5ft 10 and 185lbs. Unfortunately, in order for me to get any idea of Jem's build, I've got to divide 185 by 14 to find out the weight in english stones and lbs. What a stupid, stupid weight measurement system we have in England. Who learns their 14 times table?

It seems the episode was provisionally set for filming Feb 4th - 8th, 2012. I'd like to know if it did go ahead on that actual date - just to see if there were any enlightening posts flying around anywhere at that time.

Here is an example of just one of the many awful charts for props people stacked up on the web. It really is quite a technically precise art, despite the 'Ben Hur wristwatch' hiccups. Accidentally substituting a white vehicle for a black one just doesn't strike me as likely.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/126376018/HERE---Excel
 
  • #417
Respectfully BBM

I was trying to say this very same thing in replying to another poster, who assumed this was an error on the part of "Disappeared," and couldn't put it as eloquently as you did here. (Yes, I'm verbose. I know LOL) They cleared Josie and Fam., and weren't going to mislead the audience down that road by showing all of us a black SUV. I firmly believe this to be truth.

And yes, I also agree with the rest of your post :)

Thank you!
:rose:

Maybe JuM was subconsciously telling the truth with the 28 hours and the we think 12-1PM.

Both times her husband was in the house.

I would really like to know if anyone else stopped by while CL was cleaning. I keep going back to the white vehicle pictured in Disappeared vs the black vehicle that JeM apparently reported to JuM who dutifully reported it to Mrs Harrod who passed it along to PPD.

I mean, I am assuming that JeM didnt turn over his Ridgeline to Peacock Productions for the filming of the show. So they got a hold of a Ridgeline. I am sure they could have found a black SUV.

It had to be a message to someone.
 
  • #418
I may have mentioned this before too, but the casting calls went out for actors who 'wanted to gain experience'. And the pay was just $50-$75 a day. Not lot when you have to account for rest periods.

I think these actors who may have been relatively inexperienced did really well in the episode. For me, they did capture the essence of the characters they were supposed to be portraying, and I think they did really well. And I'm so grateful to everyone who helped make Long Lost Love, from the actors to the person who ran to get the coffee. Break a leg for evermore guys.
 
  • #419
Just in case anyone didn't know, the OC Register is pay to view now, so if it does run a story about Bob, you'll have to pay to see it.
 
  • #420
Correction. All current news is behind the paywall. Articles over 90 days old are classified as archives and open to all.

I love the way they all make it so difficult to pay them if you can't list a US state or zip code. Especially the ones that tie an accurate zip code/state to payment methods. I've had my bank stop my card twice so far, trying so many times to access US media that they thought some fraudster in California was trying to steal everything I own in incremental stages via accessing a newspaper article.

And my alarm call came from India.

And my bank wanted me to fly back to England to restart my card.

Here in Germany they mostly take everything straight out of your bank account. If they make a mistake (and they do) they always pay it back.

Anyway, now I can't access the OC Register although I'm willing to pay, and I'm heartbroken and they're losing revenue.
 
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