CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[zwiebel]

Aaaaahh!!!

"Using the OC Register's digital access is simple"

No it is not. The first thing that happens when I click on subscribe now is it asks me for my zip code. I haven't got one so I can't get beyond that stage. The help form doesn't list digital subs in the subjects you have to choose from.

Infuriating.

 

[Seajay]

So both PB and RB quit their jobs to become conservators??? Is it a full time job with great pay and benefits??? That seems weird that they both quit their jobs to manage Bob's financial affairs. Anyone else find that odd???

I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to go to Placentia and search for Bob. I would feel like I'm doing something to bring this dear man back to the woman he loves. But I'd have to be one of those who mans that command station, hand's out water and more flyers to the searchers since I have no cartilege in my knee, can't walk far, can't stand long and have to walk on level ground. The only thing I would be good for is to direct people where Bob would NOT have walked based on his limitations, which reflect my own. I would be good at ruling out where Bob would have gone on foot. (Not far, that's for sure.)

 

[Seajay]

I have mixed feelings about tagging seniors with dementia. My father has dementia, my FIL passed away from Alzheimer's. My FIL did get out once and take a "stroll" when our backs were turned. It was scary not knowing where he was or how far he could have gotten. The police found him and brought hiim home.

My Dad on the other hand doesn't wander anywhere. He lives on 6 acres of land and can't walk much of it. He'd have to walk a while to get off his land. Of course, he would never consent to being "tagged" and if there was a possible way to get it off if he were tagged, he'd find it.

 

[zwiebel]

So both PB and RB quit their jobs to become conservators??? Is it a full time job with great pay and benefits??? That seems weird that they both quit their jobs to manage Bob's financial affairs. Anyone else find that odd???

I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to go to Placentia and search for Bob. I would feel like I'm doing something to bring this dear man back to the woman he loves. But I'd have to be one of those who mans that command station, hand's out water and more flyers to the searchers since I have no cartilege in my knee, can't walk far, can't stand long and have to walk on level ground. The only thing I would be good for is to direct people where Bob would NOT have walked based on his limitations, which reflect my own. I would be good at ruling out where Bob would have gone on foot. (Not far, that's for sure.)

Can we do a deal if we ever get to Placentia? I'll go out and do the searching, but you man a walkie talkie just for me, to help bring me back when I get lost?

 

[zwiebel]

Despite the OC Register effectively banning me, I do know there are fires in SoCal, and that high winds and temps are putting OC on high alert for fires. It makes me sad for our hopes of finding Bob.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

So both PB and RB quit their jobs to become conservators??? Is it a full time job with great pay and benefits??? That seems weird that they both quit their jobs to manage Bob's financial affairs. Anyone else find that odd???

I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to go to Placentia and search for Bob. I would feel like I'm doing something to bring this dear man back to the woman he loves. But I'd have to be one of those who mans that command station, hand's out water and more flyers to the searchers since I have no cartilege in my knee, can't walk far, can't stand long and have to walk on level ground. The only thing I would be good for is to direct people where Bob would NOT have walked based on his limitations, which reflect my own. I would be good at ruling out where Bob would have gone on foot. (Not far, that's for sure.)

Grandson AH didn't like it.

I don't think we know how much daughters are drawing in fees. Good guidelines seem to be 1 per cent of the total value of the estate.

The lawyer fees will also be coming out of the estate. Probably the PI fees too.

 

[believe09]

I may have mentioned this before too, but the casting calls went out for actors who 'wanted to gain experience'. And the pay was just $50-$75 a day. Not lot when you have to account for rest periods.

I think these actors who may have been relatively inexperienced did really well in the episode. For me, they did capture the essence of the characters they were supposed to be portraying, and I think they did really well. And I'm so grateful to everyone who helped make Long Lost Love, from the actors to the person who ran to get the coffee. Break a leg for evermore guys.

Wonder if anyone we post with was in it.

 

[believe09]

BBM


Grandson AH didn't like it.

I don't think we know how much daughters are drawing in fees. Good guidelines seem to be 1 per cent of the total value of the estate.

The lawyer fees will also be coming out of the estate. Probably the PI fees too.

Definitely the PI fees. That was part of a hearing IIRC. Only Mrs Harrod's atty alluded to him as a body guard as well.

Indu, the atty of the co conservators, indicated that he had been paid around 3000 at that point I believe, but she wasnt sure of the exact figures. We did a little math-I have a close friend who is a PI on cases like this one and I know what he bills on an hourly basis. We came up with the PI working roughly 4 hours a month. Barely.

Now, I think there have been two PI's. The initial postings about their first PI choosing not to provide them with reports had me rolling with laughter.

That is some job if you can get it.

FYI-PI reports are discoverable documents. As are APS reports.

 

[deca]

If there are fires in the area, it can help find Bob. I grew up in SoCal and a few times when there were fires 1) fire would burn off the brush and uncover artifacts, junk, etc. and/or 2) firefighters would be tramping around areas that are normally not accessed and find something.

Of course, there is the possibility that it could burn evidence.

 

[Seajay]

Right now the biggest fire is up in Ventura County. There is another one in Jurupa, in the Inland Empire (Riverside, San Bernadino Counties). None up in RS or at the foothills of Placentia.

I see what you mean though Deca. If there were a dead body, with firefighters all over the place, chances are, it might be found. The downside is that fire would destroy evidence.

 

[TDW59]

snipped from Believe 10-27-2010:




SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA COUNTY OF ORANGE
NOTICE TO ATTORNEYS / PROBATE EXAMINERS NOTES

REGARDING CASE: 30-2009-00297798-PR-TR-LJC - HARROD - TRUST
CDD: No CDD found
PARTY NUMBER: MATTER: 70980804
HEARING SET FOR: 01:30 PM November 16, 2010 DEPT L73 Page 1 of 2
REVIEWED 10/06/10

COURT SETS ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE ON 11/16/10 1:30 L73 RE: ACCOUNTING

PER M/O OF 05/05/10 ROBERT(?) D.B, AND P.S.B ARE
APPOINTED AS SUCCESSOR CO-TRUSTEE OF ROBERT MERLE HARROD. 1,700,000
BOND REQUIRED. TRUST TO BE COURT SUPERVISED. PETITIONERS ARE NOT
AUTHORIZED TO SELL ANY TRUST ASSETS OR OBTAIN ANY LOANS SECURED BY
TRUST ASSETS WITHOUT PRIOR COURT APPROVAL. THIS RESTRICTION IS
LIMITED TO THE REAL ESTATE OWED BY THE HARROD FAMILY TRUST AND DOES
NOT PERTAIN TO OR IN ANY WAY RESTRICT THE MANAGEMENT AND SALE OF
SECURITIES BY WAY OF TRADING.

REQUIRES ACCOUNTING TO BE FILED.

 

[shana]

Wonder if anyone we post with was in it.

Really...and who might that be? And if even it turned-out to be so, what difference would it make?

Most out-of-work actors I've known do not have the time nor interest to follow TC cases on the Internet.

But, an interesting thought, and a peek into your inquiring mind too!

~jmo~

 

[shana]

As I've mentioned numerous times, not having seen the HFT docs, I have no idea what its precise terms are. In general...

Please bear in mind that California is a community property state. In this instance, a Family Trust was created by husband and wife naming both as Co-Trustees. The surviving spouse can't simply take-over the other spouse's half after death. It doesn't work that way, just as it wouldn't had the couple divorced.

Certain items of personal property (jewelry, collectibles, artwork, furnishings, and so forth) might have been bequeathed to individual beneficiaries and so stated in the Trust, with mutual agreement between the Settlors.

Not so with the bulk of the Estate including such assets as investments (cash, bonds, stock, real estate, retirement funds, loans receivable, etc), which would be treated as 50/50 after the death of one of the two Co-Trustees.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

snipped from Believe 10-27-2010:
snipped w/ respect

After the death of one of the HFT's Co-Trustees, that Trust was split into succeeding Trusts.

afaik, RB and PB were both named as Co-Trustees and as Co-Conservators, depending on the Trusts that arose after the death of Georgia Harrod.

~jmo~

 

[tamild]

snipped from Believe 10-27-2010:




SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA COUNTY OF ORANGE
NOTICE TO ATTORNEYS / PROBATE EXAMINERS NOTES

REGARDING CASE: 30-2009-00297798-PR-TR-LJC - HARROD - TRUST
CDD: No CDD found
PARTY NUMBER: MATTER: 70980804
HEARING SET FOR: 01:30 PM November 16, 2010 DEPT L73 Page 1 of 2
REVIEWED 10/06/10

COURT SETS ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE ON 11/16/10 1:30 L73 RE: ACCOUNTING

PER M/O OF 05/05/10 ROBERT(?) D.B, AND P.S.B ARE
APPOINTED AS SUCCESSOR CO-TRUSTEE OF ROBERT MERLE HARROD. 1,700,000
BOND REQUIRED. TRUST TO BE COURT SUPERVISED. PETITIONERS ARE NOT
AUTHORIZED TO SELL ANY TRUST ASSETS OR OBTAIN ANY LOANS SECURED BY
TRUST ASSETS WITHOUT PRIOR COURT APPROVAL. THIS RESTRICTION IS
LIMITED TO THE REAL ESTATE OWED BY THE HARROD FAMILY TRUST AND DOES
NOT PERTAIN TO OR IN ANY WAY RESTRICT THE MANAGEMENT AND SALE OF
SECURITIES BY WAY OF TRADING.

REQUIRES ACCOUNTING TO BE FILED.

Does this mean that the value of the estate is $1.7 million not counting real estate?

8482. (a) The court in its discretion may fix the amount of the
bond, but the amount of the bond shall be not more than the sum of:
(1) The estimated value of the personal property.
(2) The probable annual gross income of the estate.
(3) If independent administration is granted as to real property,
the estimated value of the decedent's interest in the real property.
(b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), if the bond is given by an
admitted surety insurer, the court may establish a fixed minimum
amount for the bond, based on the minimum premium required by the
admitted surety insurer.
(c) If the bond is given by personal sureties, the amount of the
bond shall be twice the amount fixed by the court under subdivision
(a).
(d) Before confirming a sale of real property the court shall
require such additional bond as may be proper, not exceeding the
maximum requirements of this section, treating the expected proceeds
of the sale as personal property.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=prob&group=08001-09000&file=8480-8488

 

[shana]

BBM


Grandson AH didn't like it.

I don't think we know how much daughters are drawing in fees. Good guidelines seem to be 1 per cent of the total value of the estate.

The lawyer fees will also be coming out of the estate. Probably the PI fees too.

I imagine AH wouldn't like it for his own personal reasons, as have been cited here numerous times. He and his aunts who were managing the HFT were at-odds about his withholding monthly pmts on his mortgage (Trust asset).

Whatever fees the Co-Trustees/Conservators are granted within the terms of the Trust have been earned, together with anguish for which they are not compensated.

Legal fees are consuming a fair amount of the Estate assets, yes. Such is not atypical, but the issues in this particular situation have caused excessive fees. Nobody is winning except the lawyer.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

I can't really see any cause for anguish in being paid to look after the assets they will inherit - and I don't think anyone can be forced to be a conservator against their will. In fact, didn't they begin a battle against Mrs Harrod when she objected to daughters being appointed?

 

[zwiebel]

Does this mean that the value of the estate is $1.7 million not counting real estate?


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=prob&group=08001-09000&file=8480-8488

I think someone said upthread that it does. I can't really understand the legalese; bond not exceeding the value of the estate would make it right, bond not exceeding the yearly income from an estate would make it much, much more.

I guess these criteria don't all have to be met, just one. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense to me. I wonder if some non-property assets have already had to be cashed in, in order to meet outgoing payments?

 

[believe09]

Really...and who might that be? And if even it turned-out to be so, what difference would it make?

Most out-of-work actors I've known do not have the time nor interest to follow TC cases on the Internet.

But, an interesting thought, and a peek into your inquiring mind too!

~jmo~

:floorlaugh:

Isnt is entertaining to think about all we have learned regarding each other, shana?

BBM, though-Actors are hired for all of the Disappeared productions. I doubt their criteria is having someone actually follow the case that is being depicted. :waitasec:

If I had to make a guess, I would say the criteria is that the actor has a resemblance in some fashion to their counterpart. I thought they nailed many of them...not so much PB though.

 

[believe09]

I wonder if some non-property assets have already had to be cashed in, in order to meet outgoing payments?

If so, I am sure it is all detailed in the court supervised audits. Audit.