CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[believe09]

Because there has been very little forensic information showing (to my knowledge, anyway), it would seem that his death took place away from his home, vehicles, and neighborhood.

Snipped by me-I think that we will see this detailed at trial and not before. I think that PPD made it clear, at least to me, that they found evidence in the house and in the truck. Some of which could be explained away *if* Bob was a passenger in the Ridgeline, for example.

 

[believe09]

I have trouble picturing how an unwilling, live Bob could have been transported against his will.

He wasn't a small man. Sitting in the passenger seat of a vehicle he would have been perfectly visible to other drivers. If he had thought he was being taken to a house, or a store, how far out of densely populated areas/busy highways would the driver have been able to get before Bob realised something was wrong?

It would have taken such a cold, reckless heart and head to drive along with a questioning, complaining or even struggling Bob in the passenger seat. Or even just a bewildered Bob. It doesn't bear thinking about.

I really hope it didn't happen like that.

I am with you, zwie. I dont see him leaving with an adversary to go any where. He must have been hopping mad and he was likely intent upon accomplishing his to do list. My GF couldnt rest until things like that were checked off. My GF was also meticulous regarding his finances.

 

[believe09]

There is no doubt in my mind that Bob's car was processed-once PPD gained access to it as alluded to in the video. It must have been some what difficult to do that if the keys were missing.

I wonder how they ultimately gained entry?

 

[Cubby]

I have trouble picturing how an unwilling, live Bob could have been transported against his will.

He wasn't a small man. Sitting in the passenger seat of a vehicle he would have been perfectly visible to other drivers. If he had thought he was being taken to a house, or a store, how far out of densely populated areas/busy highways would the driver have been able to get before Bob realised something was wrong?

It would have taken such a cold, reckless heart and head to drive along with a questioning, complaining or even struggling Bob in the passenger seat. Or even just a bewildered Bob. It doesn't bear thinking about.

I really hope it didn't happen like that.

If he had been drugged without knowing, perhaps the perp lured him out by claiming to be taking him to the hospital. I think it works considering the CVS reciept JeM had for the morning of Bob's disappearance and considering the likelihood that either one of them had prescribtions which could have harmed Bob.

Keep in mind, according to JuM on her community forum, both she and her husband have had numerous close to death calls followed by a miraculous recovery. I'm sure there is a wide variety of prescription drugs in the mix there....

 

[Angelo]

Paula talks in Disappeared about her presence at the family meeting. The one where folks were "quick to temper." She also posted on IS that she was there and everyone left on good terms.

She puts herself there. I bet she did in her statement to LE as well.

Daughter PB: “There was a family meeting on Sunday, it was heated at times, there were NO threats and we all left on good terms.”

Daughter RB: "It wasn't a heated meeting," she said in a phone interview. "Dad got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them."

 

[Oriah]

That's the trouble, isn't it? Unless somebody just left a voice message, it's impossible to prove who they might have actually talked to when they called Bob's home.

I wish daughter PB had been a little clearer about the conversation she had with Bob - specifically, what Bob said, rather than son-in-law and herself.

I suppose we'll never get an explanation, unless RB gives one on her behalf. Why is it that RB seems to have been left to explain everything?

I may have missed this somewhere in all the threads- but did we ever clarify Mr. Harrod's specific phone service, whether or not it was connected to cable or satellite or dish tv and/or the internet- and whether or not he had access to both a physical answering machine AND voicemail? TIA if anyone can refresh my memory on this.

 

[Oriah]

Daughter PB: “There was a family meeting on Sunday, it was heated at times, there were NO threats and we all left on good terms.”

Daughter RB: "It wasn't a heated meeting," she said in a phone interview. "Dad got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them."

Well, most financial institutions open at 9am. Perhaps someone was hell-bent on getting copies as soon as possible that morning?

 

[Oriah]

There is no doubt in my mind that Bob's car was processed-once PPD gained access to it as alluded to in the video. It must have been some what difficult to do that if the keys were missing.

I wonder how they ultimately gained entry?

I am equally sure PPD processed Mr. Harrod's car. But usually when processing a vehicle that may be involved in a crime, they flatbed them to forensics, who takes it from there. They don't need keys, trust me.

Well, at least that's my experience. Also, if keys were available they would/should have been processed as well.

 

[believe09]

I am equally sure PPD processed Mr. Harrod's car. But usually when processing a vehicle that may be involved in a crime, they flatbed them to forensics, who takes it from there. They don't need keys, trust me.

Well, at least that's my experience. Also, if keys were available they would/should have been processed as well.

TY!! Next question on the list...when did they flatbed the car to PPD?

 

[Oriah]

TY!! Next question on the list...when did they flatbed the car to PPD?

They, errr, probably didn't.
Hey, I said in my experience! But considering what we now know about the case, they should have.

Perhaps someone would like to dig for the services PPD uses when they need to flatbed a vehicle for impounding evidence and give them a ring?

 

[TDW59]

I think the candelabra are missing!!

(ROTW, JuM)

and she is very bitter about it.

 

[tamild]

I am equally sure PPD processed Mr. Harrod's car. But usually when processing a vehicle that may be involved in a crime, they flatbed them to forensics, who takes it from there. They don't need keys, trust me.

Well, at least that's my experience. Also, if keys were available they would/should have been processed as well.

Related, but not...

Am I the only one who finds it strange that Bob's car,that Fontelle could not drive, was freely offered in the settlement agreement? They were fighting over knick knacks and sheets, but no one wanted the car?

 

[Cubby]

Related, but not...

Am I the only one who finds it strange that Bob's car,that Fontelle could not drive, was freely offered in the settlement agreement? They were fighting over knick knacks and sheets, but no one wanted the car?

No, not really. It leaves a way to spy on Mrs. Harrod and see if dad's car is in the driveway or not. Any other car, they wouldn't know who it belonged to, KWIM?

 

[MaryNo]

Crossing Mustard off the list of suspects :facepalm: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

I feel I can state with confidence that candlesticks won't feature.

Bob's candlesticks appeared on the memorabilia list, as one of the endless items daughters claimed.....

I think the candelabra are missing!!

(ROTW, JuM)

and she is very bitter about it.

 

[MaryNo]

And the two stories don't match.

All we have is a sworn statement telling us Paula was there 4 days before this meeting, and the story by Roberta about what she and Julie did (found missing papers). What was Paula doing while the "heated at times" events were occurring?

Thanks for having all the IS stuff on hand, Angelo :rose:

Daughter PB: “There was a family meeting on Sunday, it was heated at times, there were NO threats and we all left on good terms.”

Daughter RB: "It wasn't a heated meeting," she said in a phone interview. "Dad got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them."

 

[Cubby]

MaryNo, I stole your message beneath your user name. Liked it sooooo much, I had to add it to my profile too. I hope you don't mind.

 

[MaryNo]

I just got off the phone with APS for Orange County. I called the hotline: #800-451-5155, and was transferred to APS for Orange County. I spoke with Maria (no last name given).

The response time for emergency/crisis such as: rape, residence lockout, food, shelter, clothing is 24 hours from the time they receive the phone call/report.

Non-emergency reports, such as Bob's financial abuse report response time is 10 calendar days from the time the Field Worker receives the report.. She said this is specific. Holidays, weekends, evenings etc. IS all included in the 10 calendar days. I guess, they will show up for Christmas dinner if it falls in the 10 calendar days - good to know.

She stated that this policy is mandated by the state, and was in place in 2009.

 

[MaryNo]

Great!

When I was creating it, I thought of your post about her not having the info at her fingertips. So, I thought I'd help her out a little

MaryNo, I stole your message beneath your user name. Liked it sooooo much, I had to add it to my profile too. I hope you don't mind.

 

[Cubby]

I just got off the phone with APS for Orange County. I called the hotline: #800-451-5155, and was transferred to APS for Orange County. I spoke with Maria (no last name given).

The response time for emergency/crisis such as: rape, residence lockout, food, shelter, clothing is 24 hours from the time they receive the phone call/report.

Non-emergency reports, such as Bob's financial abuse report response time is 10 calendar days from the time the Field Worker receives the report.. She said this is specific. Holidays, weekends, evenings etc. IS all included in the 10 calendar days. I guess, they will show up for Christmas dinner if it falls in the 10 calendar days - good to know.

She stated that this policy is mandated by the state, and was in place in 2009.

Ok, then we count back 10 days from July 29, 2009 to determine when the most recent call was made to APS. APS was called no earlier than July 19, 2009. Two days after the poison pen letter was written and mailed.

Interesting flurry of activity from Bob's daughters between the time Mrs. Harrod left CA to pack her things in MO and Mr. Harrod's disappearance.

2009
June 29 Bob and Fontelle marry.
July 7 Mrs Harrod returns to MO to get ready for her move to CA.
July 10 RB has a telephone conversation with Bob's attorney (source, 'poison pen' letter)
July 17 RB writes and mails Bob's attorney the 'poison pen' letter.
July 19 Someone calls APS to report elder abuse
July 26 Heated family meeting over Bob's money
July 27 Bob disappears
Week of July 27 Per RB (disappeared episode) Bob's daughters meet with Bob's attorney to determine Mrs. Harrod has not been added to the estate.


And RB, per her comment on Disappeared, expects us to believe this is "just a coincidence"?

 

[MaryNo]

Yes, and you are remembering it the way I understand it, too. It's the 'can't be explained away' stuff that I was referring to. I don't think they have much, because there hasn't been word of anyone being brought back in for a MAJOR interrogation. Though, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I just think we would have heard the news of it all around the world, coming in from the outer reaches of the rim of the world.

Even if it were Bob's vehicle used, there could be a 'reason' for whatever evidence found to be in his vehicle. Though, the missing glasses, keys, and wallet are so great for Bob's vehicle to have been used that day. At the very least, possibly someone wanted others to think he'd driven at some point that day.

Snipped by me-I think that we will see this detailed at trial and not before. I think that PPD made it clear, at least to me, that they found evidence in the house and in the truck. Some of which could be explained away *if* Bob was a passenger in the Ridgeline, for example.