CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[MaryNo]

Thank you, Cubby! :rose:

Respectfully snipped by me

Wow! Looking at things in this format is different than rolling it around in my brain. They really sprung into action as soon as Fontelle turned her back. Poor Bob never had a chance I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during the exchange of phone calls between the 29th of June, and July 10th.

What a coincidence that all of this would just happen within 30 days.

Interesting flurry of activity from Bob's daughters between the time Mrs. Harrod left CA to pack her things in MO and Mr. Harrod's disappearance.

2009
June 29 Bob and Fontelle marry.
July 7 Mrs Harrod returns to MO to get ready for her move to CA.
July 10 RB has a telephone conversation with Bob's attorney (source, 'poison pen' letter)
July 17 RB writes and mails Bob's attorney the 'poison pen' letter.
July 19 Someone calls APS to report elder abuse
July 26 Heated family meeting over Bob's money
July 27 Bob disappears
Week of July 27 Per RB (disappeared episode) Bob's daughters meet with Bob's attorney to determine Mrs. Harrod has not been added to the estate.


And RB, per her comment on Disappeared, expects us to believe this is "just a coincidence"?

 

[TDW59]

Way to go, Mary No!!

 

[Opie]

I, for one, do not believe in coincidences and I'm pretty sure there are others here who share that same belief.:innocent::moo:

 

[MaryNo]

BBM

Wait! Uh oh, wasn't there an article saying he had more than one pair, and a pair was missing? Shoot. I'll have to go digging, again. The glasses made a great case for luring Bob out of the house, making it appear that he was going to be driving his own car.

All of the different stories put out there can really send a person in perpetual circles. I think I'm just going to download everything to my computer, even if it's a lie.

AH says in the LE report about the last time he saw Bob, but I can't find the link where son-in-law is mentioned as being at the family meeting. I've read it somewhere though, for sure.

Note: In that article I linked, two months after Bob disappeared, LE are still saying he left his glasses behind.

 

[zwiebel]

I don't believe in coincidences either, really. Mr Z drives me crazy checking Bob's website hits all the time. He's been counting down for weeks for when they hit 10,000. Driving me crazy. He checked this morning and he got the 10,000th hit.

Miraculous coincidence, he says.

Most likely, as you're the one who checks all the time, I say.

ETA: Sorry Opie, that was in reply to you but I forgot to quote.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

Wait! Uh oh, wasn't there an article saying he had more than one pair, and a pair was missing? Shoot. I'll have to go digging, again. The glasses made a great case for luring Bob out of the house via his own car, and his driving.

All of the different stories put out there can really send a person in perpetual circles. I think I'm just going to download everything to my computer, even if it's a lie.

There is a quote from a daughter somewhere about 'We don't know how many pair he had'.

It's stuck in my mind because in England we use 'pairs' plural, to refer to more than one set of glasses.

 

[zwiebel]

The link hasn't stuck in my mind, unfortunately.......

 

[Cubby]

Thank you, Cubby! :rose:

Respectfully snipped by me

Wow! Looking at things in this format is different than rolling it around in my brain. They really sprung into action as soon as Fontelle turned her back. Poor Bob never had a chance I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during the exchange of phone calls between the 29th of June, and July 10th.

What a coincidence that all of this would just happen within 30 days.

There is a little more to it, also. I only added what we have verified surrounding the money. There were a few times that JuM and PB posted or spoke of being at Bob's home during this time frame as well. I'd guess confrontations regarding the money occured during those visits.

And actually, if we only look at the time for which Mrs. Harrod was in MO, it all happened within 20 days. From July 7, 2009 through July 27, 2009.

 

[deca]

Ok, then we count back 10 days from July 29, 2009 to determine when the most recent call was made to APS. APS was called no earlier than July 19, 2009. Two days after the poison pen letter was written and mailed.

Interesting flurry of activity from Bob's daughters between the time Mrs. Harrod left CA to pack her things in MO and Mr. Harrod's disappearance.

2009
June 29 Bob and Fontelle marry.
July 7 Mrs Harrod returns to MO to get ready for her move to CA.
July 10 RB has a telephone conversation with Bob's attorney (source, 'poison pen' letter)
July 17 RB writes and mails Bob's attorney the 'poison pen' letter.
July 19 Someone calls APS to report elder abuse
July 26 Heated family meeting over Bob's money
July 27 Bob disappears
Week of July 27 Per RB (disappeared episode) Bob's daughters meet with Bob's attorney to determine Mrs. Harrod has not been added to the estate.


And RB, per her comment on Disappeared, expects us to believe this is "just a coincidence"?

Do we know when the kids were told about their marriage? TIA

 

[zwiebel]

It was definitely after the marriage. I think Fontelle's family were informed first. Maybe the next day or so? JuM posted that Dad expected them to pick up and be a family again, as though nothing had happened.

It escapes me where that information appeared though.

 

[charminglane]

BBM


Could this be it? October 3rd, 2009?

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_13477607

http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_13481511

You are SOOOOOOO good to me!
Yes, that is the fire I was thinking of. There were major floods after that, too.
So, this fire was 3 months after Mr. Harrod disappeared????

 

[zwiebel]

Er...well Mr Z reckons it's just over two months - about nine weeks. But that seems to be 'the' big fire in the area after Bob disappeared, anyhow.

 

[Cubby]

Do we know when the kids were told about their marriage? TIA

Off the top of my head, IDK. Will look for that info over the weekend if someone else doesn't find and post it first.

 

[charminglane]

I feel I can state with confidence that candlesticks won't feature.

Bob's candlesticks appeared on the memorabilia list, as one of the endless items daughters claimed.....

Oh, how I wish you were my neighbor!!!!:floorlaugh:

Sad, but also very funny!

 

[MaryNo]

Yes, we think alike! What a whirlwind of wrangling went on in such a short time. We can certainly add to it, put together as complete of an activity list as we can, and post it with the timeline list. It'll be very useful in recalling who said and did what around the time of his disappearance.

There is a little more to it, also. I only added what we have verified surrounding the money. There were a few times that JuM and PB posted or spoke of being at Bob's home during this time frame as well. I'd guess confrontations regarding the money occured during those visits.

And actually, if we only look at the time for which Mrs. Harrod was in MO, it all happened within 20 days. From July 7, 2009 through July 27, 2009.

 

[MaryNo]

They were married June 29th, and told the family July 2.

I believe this info may have come from the old IS forum. Dreamweaver, and Cloudajo post about this info in the 2 posts below. I will continue looking for other sources, while you process the info above. Hopefully, something earth-shattering will pop up in my search

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Do we know when the kids were told about their marriage? TIA

 

[zwiebel]

I've always found it a little worrying that LE has never officially cleared son-in-law. The 'last known person to see' is usually the one LE likes to get out of the way first - to prevent undue suspicion falling on them, and ensure the public's attention is focused in the right place.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I've always found it a little worrying that LE has never officially cleared son-in-law. The 'last known person to see' is usually the one LE likes to get out of the way first - to prevent undue suspicion falling on them, and ensure the public's attention is focused in the right place.

Again, I can't logically see how they could clear anyone when there is really no evidence that a crime has been committed. LE may 'hold grave fears' for him, it may be out of character that he went missing, but people do that.

And it's just possible that there were other people in his life that family didn't know about. Having an elderly parent I can vouch for that Being a parent was much easier.:twocents:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I see what you mean. However, I can't consider it a red herring when the last person known to be in Bob's home at the time of Bob's disappearance can not account for appx 2 hours of his time prior to the CL's arrival. No reciept to account for that time, and no known surveillance to verify that trip.

Where was JeM between 10:00 am and noonish the day his father in law, Bob Harrod disappeared?

I mean a red herring in the sense that sometimes Police will issue information to lull a POI into a false sense of security.

Not suggesting it's the situation in this case, as someone else has posted apparently there has been no official clearing of anyone?:twocents:.

 

[zwiebel]

Again, I can't logically see how they could clear anyone when there is really no evidence that a crime has been committed. LE may 'hold grave fears' for him, it may be out of character that he went missing, but people do that.

And it's just possible that there were other people in his life that family didn't know about. Having an elderly parent I can vouch for that Being a parent was much easier.:twocents:

I really feel that given Bob's age, previous history and lack of contact/use of his accounts, his disappearance is much more than an 'out of character' act. I think it is evidence of a crime. I think police must think so too, because his case is being investigated as a possible homicide.