CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[Cubby]

If Fontelle called Bob every morning and evening, and she talked to him Sun evening, is she the one that talked to him Monday morning in the 10 o clock ish phone call???

Was that her phone call to him Monday morning?

Police have not stated who Bob spoke to via the telephone for that last 10am call. They are not releasing that info either.

It could have been Mrs. Harrod, the cleaning lady, Bob's financial advisor... Whoever it was LE determined it was a credible call.

 

[Cubby]

And the other contradiction is that at the same time they say they knew nothing about his financial affairs, because Bob kept them so private, and they had no idea how much he was worth. Mmmmm.

According to the Disappeared Episode, Bob's daughters stated they were unaware of his worth until after their mother passed away.

According to MSM, LE stated Mrs. Harrod was not aware of his worth until after his disappearance.

 

[Cubby]

One thing I would really love to know is why son-in-law and daughter JuM kept their safe at Bob's house. I mean, who does that? Who keeps their valuables at an elderly parent's home that they haven't lived with for decades?

It's really strange.

I find it interesting she posts on her community forum acting as if her mothers things were missing. Her sisters inventoried and recieved everything they asked for on that mile long memorabilia list she wrote. She forgets to mention that when she gets upset and starts her online pity party at her community forum.

 

[zwiebel]

Well, I wouldn't feel much pity for JuM if her mother's things had gone missing anyway. She seems to have devoted more time to locating teacups, sheets and candelabras than she has to locating her missing father.

It just seems so cold-hearted, and doubly so when I watch the videos of her saying her father means the world to her and 'I love you Dad'.

 

[zwiebel]

Imagine if JuM had devoted as much time to producing a memorabilia list of exactly what Bob could have been wearing or carrying, the day he disappeared. Or had sat down with her husband and produced a detailed timeline of when Bob could have disappeared from his home.

It would have been quite simple. All she had to do was help him work out approximately what time he left the house, and what time he came back and found Bob missing. I know it is sometimes hard to work out times retrospectively, but they had PB's call to help, and then JeM could have outlined exactly where he went while he was out, and what he did, and they could have roughly estimated how long that would have taken. And the housekeeper could have helped out too.

Yet it hasn't been done yet. None of Bob's daughters, son-in-law or grandson seem to have made any effort to whittle down an exact time and make it public, so people know when they should be trying to remember anything they saw, as well as where.

 

[shana]

And the other contradiction is that at the same time they say they knew nothing about his financial affairs, because Bob kept them so private, and they had no idea how much he was worth. Mmmmm.

Nothing odd or contradictory about this. Oftentimes children/heirs do not know the net worth of their parents until after the death of one or both. Some parents prefer it that way.

From what I've understood, Mr Harrod kept his financial details quiet.

And before anyone might ask, it is possible to assist a parent with tax prep and not know the entire financial picture; i.e., the value of the Estate.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

One thing I would really love to know is why son-in-law and daughter JuM kept their safe at Bob's house. I mean, who does that? Who keeps their valuables at an elderly parent's home that they haven't lived with for decades?

It's really strange.

There could be many reasons I could speculate upon, none of them strange, but not helpful in finding what happened to Mr Harrod.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

According to the Disappeared Episode, Bob's daughters stated they were unaware of his worth until after their mother passed away.

According to MSM, LE stated Mrs. Harrod was not aware of his worth until after his disappearance.

BBM

While Mr Harrod did not appear to be the kind of person to boast about his assets let alone reveal them, I think it's fair to say that what Fontelle observed was a far sight better in terms of lifestyle that what she was accustomed to. This may mean nothing, but I don't think it bears ignoring either. How that affected her is a different subject, and I am not suggesting she was impressed, dismissed it, or anything otherwise.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

Imagine if JuM had devoted as much time to producing a memorabilia list of exactly what Bob could have been wearing or carrying, the day he disappeared. Or had sat down with her husband and produced a detailed timeline of when Bob could have disappeared from his home.

It would have been quite simple. All she had to do was help him work out approximately what time he left the house, and what time he came back and found Bob missing. I know it is sometimes hard to work out times retrospectively, but they had PB's call to help, and then JeM could have outlined exactly where he went while he was out, and what he did, and they could have roughly estimated how long that would have taken. And the housekeeper could have helped out too.

Yet it hasn't been done yet. None of Bob's daughters, son-in-law or grandson seem to have made any effort to whittle down an exact time and make it public, so people know when they should be trying to remember anything they saw, as well as where.

I do not have my files on this case handy atm...What is the date that Julie wrote the "memorabilia list"? As I recall, it was contained in a private email (still rather shocked it has been delivered for public consumption, but that's another matter). Do we know why she produced this list, at whose bidding?

I've always thought that Jeff may not have noticed Bob's attire that day for the following reasons, among more:

1. Males do not typically notice the dress of another male to remember.
2. Bob dressed in similar attire most of the time, neutral colors as well.
3. The unreliability anyway of eyewitness reports.

That said, we don't know what Jeff told LE.

Same for many of the other assumptions that some ppl make about what the family did or did not do. LE has kept case details close to the vest from the start. That does NOT mean that LE doesn't have them, or that it hasn't developed a working Timeline based on witness interviews.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

I do not have my files on this case handy atm...What is the date that Julie wrote the "memorabilia list"? As I recall, it was contained in a private email (still rather shocked it has been delivered for public consumption, but that's another matter). Do we know why she produced this list, at whose bidding?

I've always thought that Jeff may not have noticed Bob's attire that day for the following reasons, among more:

1. Males do not typically notice the dress of another male to remember.
2. Bob dressed in similar attire most of the time, neutral colors as well.
3. The unreliability anyway of eyewitness reports.

That said, we don't know what Jeff told LE.

Same for many of the other assumptions that some ppl make about what the family did or did not do. LE has kept case details close to the vest from the start. That does NOT mean that LE doesn't have them, or that it hasn't developed a working Timeline based on witness interviews.

~jmo~

That's my point really. Four years down the line and the last known person to have seen Bob still hasn't come forward to provide any information to the public, and ask for the public's help in return. JeM's total lack of activity of behalf of his father-in-law is just too obvious to be ignored, I think.

 

[shana]

BBM


That's my point really. Four years down the line and the last known person to have seen Bob still hasn't come forward to provide any information to the public, and ask for the public's help in return. JeM's total lack of activity of behalf of his father-in-law is just too obvious to be ignored, I think.

With all due respect, he is not obligated to reveal what he has told LE or to make public pleas for clues related to finding his missing FIL...then or certainly not at this late date.

To my way of thinking, there is nothing incriminatory about ANY family member choosing to stay silent and let LE handle the work. I know many ppl are used to a different reality today, but it wasn't like this some few years back. As well, there is still no mandate that families must give face time, nor should there be anything nefarious inferred from their not so doing.

In addition, just check-out the negatives heaped on some family members in other cases over recent years (and to this very day) who have said "too much" to the media and suffered the consequences of public criticism to the point of naming them as responsible for criminal participation in the missing status of loved ones.

~jmo~

 

[Scottndianner]

Nothing odd or contradictory about this. Oftentimes children/heirs do not know the net worth of their parents until after the death of one or both. Some parents prefer it that way.

From what I've understood, Mr Harrod kept his financial details quiet.

And before anyone might ask, it is possible to assist a parent with tax prep and not know the entire financial picture; i.e., the value of the Estate.

~jmo~

Not if he had to report his "dividends and interest income", quite possibly could have had income from corporations,,partnerships, etc...IMO. I'm sure they knew more than they are letting on as well...as another poster often states, my hinky meter is up, for sure...

 

[believe09]

The memorabilia was was not private-it was attached to court proceedings. The girls made their ridiculous assertion that Bob and Georgia owned nothing in their house at Carnation Drive. Except a mattress and a chair lift IIRC.

Agreed that this will not locate Mr Harrod unless there is a candelabra or a safe laying next to him where ever he was dumped.

It speaks, however, to the avaricious nature of his children. It is an indefensible list. They would have been far better off merely stating the truth of the matter-they wanted everything that was his.

 

[sreshowtime]

gleaning some good info

Questions-
Was it known if 10 o clock ish a.m. call involved the cell or landline.?

Did he get a daily morning paper, if so, where was it found.

Anyone notice if Bob had had breakfast that morning, possibly leaving dishes in the sink? Or Lunch?
Was there a coffeemaker, set to come on at a certain time? Did it still have coffee in it?

I wonder if Bob used an alarm clock.

 

[Oriah]

I feel certain they were at one point, but I have no idea when, fwiw. I cant remember if the neighbor who told us OC Sheriff's was processing the house indicated that there were dogs there as well.

Welcome sre!
As far as I know, no certified tracking or trailing dogs (or HRD dogs) were brought out early on in the investigation.
Bythe time K9's *might* have been brought out, any live trail would likely have been unproductive. MOO. Now, HRD K9's- different story.

 

[zwiebel]

Bob's daughter said he was given a cell but didn't know how to use it. There was also something about the landline not having long-distance, but we discussed that here and thought Bob might well have changed that while Fontelle was in the home, as she'd have wanted to call family in MO.

It didn't even occur to me about the paper. What a good idea. Bob read the Wall Street Journal. That's a daily, so I guess it must have been delivered that morning.

The police report said there were no dishes in the sink that night, but that was after the housekeeper had cleaned. She would certainly know if she washed the dishes, I'd think.

As for coffee and an alarm clock, I don't know. There is a pic or two around of Mrs Harrod in the master bedroom after Bob disappeared. A clock might be spottable, but it might belong to her, of course. Great ideas, again!

Unless Bob's alarm clock made it onto daughters' memorabilia list too. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[believe09]

gleaning some good info

Questions-
Was it known if 10 o clock ish a.m. call involved the cell or landline.?

Did he get a daily morning paper, if so, where was it found.

Anyone notice if Bob had had breakfast that morning, possibly leaving dishes in the sink? Or Lunch?
Was there a coffeemaker, set to come on at a certain time? Did it still have coffee in it?

I wonder if Bob used an alarm clock.

I bet the housekeeper would know if there was any indication as to whether or not he ate that morning.

I wish we knew his morning routine: When did he usually rise, did he dress right away, did he put on slippers or sneakers, did he make coffee, read the paper, did he do his dishes or leave them for later?

I feel pretty certain he was a man of routine-his age and his military background make it almost a given imvho.

I wonder whether or not his routine was thrown off because of the confrontations the day before? It must have been exhausting to finally address what had transpired in the last year or more.

 

[zwiebel]

I wonder if CAExile was ever asked what time Bob usually took his walk? I definitely recall seeing a post about the route Bob took, and maybe the time was mentioned too.

I'll have a look.

 

[sreshowtime]

Well Fontelle was calling him on some phone, eh? And she initially made a first call to him, so it must have been the landline. I was just curious if the 'last" call was on the cell & if so, was it ever determined to have actually been IN the home when used then.
hmm, would he take the cell on a walk?
I assume it wasn't raining?

(hey O!)

 

[sreshowtime]

pulled this from some thread, this the one you were thinking of Zweibel?
FWIW

Originally Posted by CA Exile View Post
I have been reading the past few pages of posts. I thought it might be time to put in my $.02.

Bob's house was in the middle of the block. Usually, he walked up to one end, crossed the street, walked to the other end, crossed the street, and returned home. He could not walk very far. He could not have walked to the fruit stand/junk yard. Same goes for the CVS and the shopping center. He could not have walked to the golf course. You have to go out of the subdivision and up a hill to get to it. I do not think in Bob's current physical condition he could have walked up there and back home.