CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #16

[Grainne Dhu]

I kwym exactly. All I can say, if you look closely at my avatar pic, you can see what I think happened to Bob's wallet.

On the table. With his glasses and his keys, in my honest opinion.

There is no good reason why we haven't had a proper description of Bob's wallet and keyrings by now. Or identikit pics of rings similar to his. It is just disgraceful.

The rings I can almost excuse, to be honest.

Since it sounds like Bob wore them every day, it probably didn't occur to him to photograph them for insurance purposes.

His wedding band, from what I recall of the various video clips, was just a plain gold band (most common style for men in the US).

The Masonic ring, though, sounds like it was mass produced by one of the companies that specialises in producing rings for various organisations. It would be easy to find out which company supplied that ring and get a large colour photo of an identical ring (without the wear, of course).

As for his wallet, if it was found in his house then it wasn't with him... so no need to describe it but it does open up a whole can of worms, doesn't it?

 

[Grainne Dhu]

In Europe cheques have almost died out as a method of paying in stores, and many won't accept them. Is it the same in the U.S, anyone? I'm thinking of Home Depot in particular.

In Iowa, checks are still accepted everywhere we shop, etc. Many places have a little printer at the check out counter so customers can run the check through it and only have to sign it by hand. It would not surprise me, though, to find out that things are different in California.

Things are always different in California. <LOL>

 

[Cubby]

Checks are still used here. Most businesses run them through electronically. The customer signs a receipt which the store keeps and the check along with a regular receipt goes back to the customer. The purchasers checking account is debited immediately.

All hardware stores here still accept checks. I don't think So. Cal would be that much different than the Chi town area, as far as accepting checks or not.

 

[deca]

My take on checks/cash FWIW

In CA most places still take checks with the exception of some small family owned businesses. HD and all grocery stores for sure takes checks.

In my experience "older" folks, like lets say 60 and above, tend to pay cash if something is under a certain amount. My folks always use cash if the amount is under $20. When my grandparents were alive a few years ago they ALWAYS paid cash up until about $40. All the aforementioned people use/used checks at the grocery store. Credit cards weren't fairly common until the 80s. So most people that were adults before then don't rely on them as heavily as the "young" set. For example: my young BILs use their credit/debit card for $2 worth of soda at the 7-11. I am in my 30s and am somewhere in between the "young" and the "old" with my spending habits.

So what I am getting at- I wouldn't be surprised if Bob used cash for daily small transactions and checks for the grocery store.

MOO FWIW and all that jazz.

 

[zwiebel]

Well, I think I can safely throw away my guide to the U.S that states Americans never use cheques for shopping. Who writes these things?

If Bob did have a chequebook in his wallet and had the wallet with him, it would be very good news for me. I think I mentioned before that I went to an exhibition of retrieved artifacts from the Titanic, and saw a victim's wallet with the cash and a wholesale shopping list still intact, after nearly a century underwater. I guess Bob would have had a plastic driver's licence in his wallet too.

 

[zwiebel]

That exhibition and book that went with it haunted me for ages - all those pairs of shoes, lying there on the ocean floor.

Until it was found, most people thought the Titanic was lost forever. It shows what can be done when searchers put their mind to something, doesn't it?

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

The rings I can almost excuse, to be honest.

Since it sounds like Bob wore them every day, it probably didn't occur to him to photograph them for insurance purposes.

His wedding band, from what I recall of the various video clips, was just a plain gold band (most common style for men in the US).

The Masonic ring, though, sounds like it was mass produced by one of the companies that specialises in producing rings for various organisations. It would be easy to find out which company supplied that ring and get a large colour photo of an identical ring (without the wear, of course).

As for his wallet, if it was found in his house then it wasn't with him... so no need to describe it but it does open up a whole can of worms, doesn't it?

I am hoping it wouldn't have occurred to whoever disappeared Bob to remove them either.

 

[believe09]

Yeah, I doubt that there was a whole lot of effort put into removing articles from Bob. That is jmo-that would add an entirely new level of heinousness to this. I just dont see it.

It takes a special kind of evil to take the time to remove items from someone you have killed, I would think. It would definitely indicate to me that there was prior planning.

I know I am the hold out on that one.

 

[believe09]

I also think we are back to something important in this case-where are his wallet, his keys and his checkbook? The media seems to indicate that he had his wallet and his keys, but no glasses. Under most circumstances I would assume then that his check book and his glasses were found and processed.

But we dont know the source of the information, right? Det Radomski indicated that he wasnt going to discuss what was found when the house was processed.

 

[Oriah]

The rings I can almost excuse, to be honest.

Since it sounds like Bob wore them every day, it probably didn't occur to him to photograph them for insurance purposes.

His wedding band, from what I recall of the various video clips, was just a plain gold band (most common style for men in the US).

The Masonic ring, though, sounds like it was mass produced by one of the companies that specialises in producing rings for various organisations. It would be easy to find out which company supplied that ring and get a large colour photo of an identical ring (without the wear, of course).

As for his wallet, if it was found in his house then it wasn't with him... so no need to describe it but it does open up a whole can of worms, doesn't it?

Hi grainne!
I've been working on the flyers and need to verify that it was located, but have not been able to find a LE or MSM source to do so.

If it's possible his wallet and or contents of wallet were with him, those are possibly items of interest that may withstand environmental damage.
I know we have talked about it being found, but does anyone have the link, so I can quit worrying about it as potentially recoverable evidence? Ditto for the keys and glasses. TIA.

 

[Oriah]

I also think we are back to something important in this case-where are his wallet, his keys and his checkbook? The media seems to indicate that he had his wallet and his keys, but no glasses. Under most circumstances I would assume then that his check book and his glasses were found and processed.

But we dont know the source of the information, right? Det Radomski indicated that he wasnt going to discuss what was found when the house was processed.

BBM: believe09, do you have the link for this? I want to check the media source to see if Det. Radomski's final say on the matter was no comment on the processing of the residence and what was found/not found. No need to waste space on the flyer that are items unknown, kwim? We can better use that space for facts only.

 

[zwiebel]

July 30, 2009: 'Other than his wallet and keys, no other items appear to be missing, Brady said.'
http://www.ocregister.com/news/harrod-147900-loomis-family.html

July 29/30, 2009: 'He didn't take his glasses or his car and is legally blind. Wallet and keys are missing.'
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=lwXpl6VGOIQ&desktop_uri=/watch?v=lwXpl6VGOIQ

October 8, 2009: 'He didn't take his glasses or his car'
http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/harrod-bob-police-2598739-fontelle-michaels?


*Note though, there are also links saying Bob did - or probably did - take his glasses. With wallet and keys, the line has always been that they were missing, as far as I have seen.

 

[zwiebel]

Daughter JuM also warned Fontelle to get the locks changed on the house. I can't work out if she was;

1) trying to scare Fontelle into going back to Missouri
2) was genuinely scared the keys were somewhere where someone might use them to get into the house and steal valuables.

 

[Oriah]

July 30, 2009: 'Other than his wallet and keys, no other items appear to be missing, Brady said.'
http://www.ocregister.com/news/harrod-147900-loomis-family.html

July 29/30, 2009: 'He didn't take his glasses or his car and is legally blind. Wallet and keys are missing.'
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=lwXpl6VGOIQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DlwXpl6VGOIQ

October 8, 2009: 'He didn't take his glasses or his car'
http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/harrod-bob-police-2598739-fontelle-michaels?


*Note though, there are also links saying Bob did - or probably did - take his glasses. With wallet and keys, the line has always been that they were missing, as far as I have seen.

*sigh*
Thanks zwie. Unfortunately those are the MSM links that contradict in other reports the timeline and alternate stated 'facts' about the case.

I am so frustrated by these missing and potentially extremely useful tidbits of info from a SAR standpoint.
I mean- FGS, Mr. Harrod either had his keys, his wallet, his glasses, his vehicle, or he did NOT. They were either moved or they were NOT. They were either removed and replaced after the fact or they were not. He either had multiples of some or all of the above, or he did not.
The only thing that seems clear is that there has been 'no account activity.' What does that mean? No acct activity on...what accounts?? His personal checking? His debit? His Visa, Mastercard, American Express, local bank? Cash?? Do we know he didn't have a kitty somewhere? Because lord knows there's been activity on his investment accounts!

Sorry- off rant now- but I am so frustrated today. I mean- did the man possibly have a WATCH on? How can we still not have any of these possible ID's known as fact at this point?

Oiy, mea culpa. Truly off rant now.

 

[MaryNo]

This article is from July 2012. I don't think I've seen this posted.

This is what this project has the potential to accomplish. This has the potential to be BIG ...

http://www.notaboutthenumbers.com/2012/07/13/geo-community-finds-body-of-missing-ftf-hunter/


I'm so proud to be a part of this!

 

[believe09]

It Wouldnt Be Happening Without You All!

 

[zwiebel]

If it's any help, on the memorabilia list compiled by a daughter;

No watch is requested.

PB and RB's house keys are requested. So, along with the set Bob left with a neighbour and the spares he normally left out for the housekeeper, there should have been at least FOUR sets of keys in the house, even if he had taken his own. That's two sets for his house, and one each for PB and RB's house.

First wife Georgia's safe deposit keys are requested, and it's stated JuM knows where these are. There is no mention of keys for a safe deposit box for Bob.

Bob had coin collections and kept these in a safe under the stairs, or next to the desk in the upstairs office/bedroom. The safe referenced here appears to be a different one from the other two safes requested, which are stated as belonging to JuM and JeM.

* I don't understand why Bob didn't have a set of keys for AH's house too, as he appeared to keep a set for any house he still had any ownership interest in.

 

[zwiebel]

This article is from July 2012. I don't think I've seen this posted.

This is what this project has the potential to accomplish. This has the potential to be BIG ...

http://www.notaboutthenumbers.com/2012/07/13/geo-community-finds-body-of-missing-ftf-hunter/


I'm so proud to be a part of this!

I wonder if those Geocachers could be encouraged to BOLO for 85-year old-Hugh Turner, who is still missing out there in Arizona? I think I might post about what we are doing on Hugh's thread, just in case Hugh's family view there and might be able to get some ideas from what we are doing.

 

[zwiebel]

"We haven't seen any activity on his bank account or his credit cards" (Det Loomis)
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=6939639

 

[zwiebel]

'He made no large withdrawals from his bank account before he disappeared, and no withdrawals since'

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/02/local/la-me-disappeared3-2010feb03/2