Bob's old neighbour put up a new blog about him in May. Second blog down at the link. He's given up hope Bob will ever be found. 
http://paulkestes.blogspot.de/
http://paulkestes.blogspot.de/
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Bob's old neighbour put up a new blog about him in May. Second blog down at the link. He's given up hope Bob will ever be found.
http://paulkestes.blogspot.de/
I read that when it went up, and my heart hurts for him and his loss.
I read that when it went up, and my heart hurts for him and his loss.
I should have added that also, believe09. I read it when it was posted too, and all I could think was how sad it was that so many people have given up on Mr. Harrod- and all the while feeling he has likely been murdered. So, so sad.
I wish PE had come back to us, and come back to the PPD also- given it another shot, as disappointing and frustrating as his initial encounters were. There is such a need to go back to the very beginning in Mr. Harrod's case, in order to increase probability of locating him...well, I just wish PE would revisit with us.
Just about everyone gave up on my aunt too - that's how she ended up with her only companion being her murderer for all those years. Imagine, the only mind that saw her burial place, recalled her last minutes of life, knew how she died, was the mind of the person who murdered her. He had the burden but he also had sole claim to her for all those years. He could make up any story, knowing he was the only living owner of the truth and could do what he chose with it. With her. It makes me feel sick to think of it. It always will.
I don't feel it's right to give up on Bob. There's no going back once it's done.
I don't feel it's right to give up on Bob. There's no going back once it's done.
I can't edit so I'm bumping my own post. I am so sorry Virginia. I never thought I'd undermine the hard-won achievements of women, but I did with that post. Shame on me.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/shortcuts/2013/jul/08/virginia-wade-wimbledon-champion-tennis
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Couldn't bear to see this thread on page 3. Still hoping and praying and reading here every day.
Couldn't bear to see this thread on page 3. Still hoping and praying and reading here every day.
This lady, Winifred (Winnie) became a part of British history too - although it is not a role she ever wanted. This interview is very outspoken and blunt, but Winnie had every right to be, as she had been searching for her murdered son for 48 years. She was dying here, and facing the fact that she would never know where her son was buried. Please excuse her if you're delicate - people from this part of England are not backwards in coming forwards or speaking as they find, as they say up there.
It would have been far better for her if she could have given up hope of ever finding her boy years before. She couldn't though, and her family are continuing the long fight for her and maybe the search will be their children's or grandchildren's legacy too.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...thout-knowing-where-Ian-Brady-buried-son.html
Everyone deals with loss differently and it's unwise to judge. It may be in Bob's case that all those close to him have given up, and wish his case to fade from view.
But.
If there is one 'Winnie' out there, just a single person like her, who has not given up and desperately wants the search to continue and Bob to be brought home, then people owe their support. Dealing with such a tragic loss is bad enough, but doing it alone and without support is unthinkably hard. No-one should have to face that.
It would have been far better for her if she could have given up hope of ever finding her boy years before. She couldn't though, and her family are continuing the long fight for her and maybe the search will be their children's or grandchildren's legacy too.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...thout-knowing-where-Ian-Brady-buried-son.html
Everyone deals with loss differently and it's unwise to judge. It may be in Bob's case that all those close to him have given up, and wish his case to fade from view.
But.
If there is one 'Winnie' out there, just a single person like her, who has not given up and desperately wants the search to continue and Bob to be brought home, then people owe their support. Dealing with such a tragic loss is bad enough, but doing it alone and without support is unthinkably hard. No-one should have to face that.
That bump made me jump Opie. I was sitting here but I had another window open too - I was lost in Missouri archives.
So, now I've taken my head out of the historical clouds - does anyone know if Bob's case has an official status, and what it is?
The only clue I've found was Det Loomis saying something years back about it becoming inactive but not being closed, or something like that. It was hard to pin down what she meant. PPD didn't capitalise on the Disappeared episode by making any statement, and that was a missed opportunity, I think. Even if they had just said the case isn't closed, or appealed again for tips, it would have been useful.
Do US police forces have press or media spokespeople?
The only clue I've found was Det Loomis saying something years back about it becoming inactive but not being closed, or something like that. It was hard to pin down what she meant. PPD didn't capitalise on the Disappeared episode by making any statement, and that was a missed opportunity, I think. Even if they had just said the case isn't closed, or appealed again for tips, it would have been useful.
Do US police forces have press or media spokespeople?
Well, it's no good looking on their twitter feed - PPD don't seem to have tweeted anything since last March, and that seems to be saying Chief Hicks is 572??
If there isn't much to say at the moment.......they could always try, 'Bob Harrod is still missing. Tips needed.'
https://mobile.twitter.com/PlacentiaPD
If there isn't much to say at the moment.......they could always try, 'Bob Harrod is still missing. Tips needed.'
https://mobile.twitter.com/PlacentiaPD
Some strong feelings conveyed in this comment on the Disappeared website:
http://investigation.discovery.com/...-the-missing/bob-harrod.htm#comment-918941926
That is the kind of passion we are looking for-we need people who are on the side of Bob to spread the word and talk...keep talking and sharing until his profile is raised so high, someone finally has the courage to come forward.
http://investigation.discovery.com/...-the-missing/bob-harrod.htm#comment-918941926
That is the kind of passion we are looking for-we need people who are on the side of Bob to spread the word and talk...keep talking and sharing until his profile is raised so high, someone finally has the courage to come forward.
Good heavens. I was just going on about how women in the north of England speak their mind, but they obviously do it wherever that lady comes from too.
It is fantastic that Bob's case inspires such strong emotions. I think maybe because most of us heard fairytales when we were young, when dreams always came true and there was always a happy ending or a right ending. And Bob and Fontelle's was a fairytale, and it just seems such an outrage and cruel tragedy that the happy ending was snatched away just when it seemed the last page of the book had been reached.
Talking of happy endings - the hoarder's house I cleared, that I mentioned earlier. Everything was filthy, of little value and had to be trashed. He was peacefully deceased at a very advanced age and there was nobody who wanted to touch his things, let alone take them home. I thought it was a shame - every step of an entire life, every document (even his parents' too) had been carefully hoarded since the beginning of the last century and it had to be thrown away, as though he'd never existed.
Well, that was the theory. Which I also subscribed to. I just couldn't actually do it. I spent hours sorting, scrubbing, disinfecting while berating myself. I'm no hoarder myself, I didn't know what to do with that 'life', I didn't know the man, and I definitely didn't have time. I thought I needed my head testing, though Mr Z was more charitable, the dear.
This weekend, a lovely man knocked on my door. He's struggled for a long time to set up a little museum, and has finally succeeded. "And was there," he wondered, "any possibility there was anything in that old house we could have?"
He was thrilled with what I saved. That 'valueless' stuff has become very valuable indeed (in terms of local history, not money). That old man's life that was destined for the trash will now teach the children of the future about the past.
There's probably a lesson there somewhere, but I don't know what it is. I just know I'm thrilled; for myself and one lost and lonely hoarder, deceased.
It is fantastic that Bob's case inspires such strong emotions. I think maybe because most of us heard fairytales when we were young, when dreams always came true and there was always a happy ending or a right ending. And Bob and Fontelle's was a fairytale, and it just seems such an outrage and cruel tragedy that the happy ending was snatched away just when it seemed the last page of the book had been reached.
Talking of happy endings - the hoarder's house I cleared, that I mentioned earlier. Everything was filthy, of little value and had to be trashed. He was peacefully deceased at a very advanced age and there was nobody who wanted to touch his things, let alone take them home. I thought it was a shame - every step of an entire life, every document (even his parents' too) had been carefully hoarded since the beginning of the last century and it had to be thrown away, as though he'd never existed.
Well, that was the theory. Which I also subscribed to. I just couldn't actually do it. I spent hours sorting, scrubbing, disinfecting while berating myself. I'm no hoarder myself, I didn't know what to do with that 'life', I didn't know the man, and I definitely didn't have time. I thought I needed my head testing, though Mr Z was more charitable, the dear.
This weekend, a lovely man knocked on my door. He's struggled for a long time to set up a little museum, and has finally succeeded. "And was there," he wondered, "any possibility there was anything in that old house we could have?"
He was thrilled with what I saved. That 'valueless' stuff has become very valuable indeed (in terms of local history, not money). That old man's life that was destined for the trash will now teach the children of the future about the past.
There's probably a lesson there somewhere, but I don't know what it is. I just know I'm thrilled; for myself and one lost and lonely hoarder, deceased.
Just wanted to add a rider about fairytales - in Germany the happy ending thing isn't true. People get eaten and they have a lot of trolls lurking on bridges. They're just weird, and I don't like them (but don't tell the Germans I said that).
I've been thinking about daughter PB's admission (better late than never) that Bob had asked her to find Fontelle, months before Fontelle managed to find him.
On the surface, PB's explanation about her being unable to find Fontelle appears reasonable - Fontelle had married and changed her name. How could anybody have found her?
That was the question that got me thinking twice. The answer for many sleuthers would be 'easily', I suspect. And anyone who had ever done any research into their family history would also be aware of how to find new family names from public documents, such as marriage certificates. Fontelle was still in MO too - that would have helped.
So to me that explanation only seems reasonable now if;
1) PB was not accustomed to using the internet and www much
2) Had no experience of researching family history, and lacked a 'sleuthing' frame of mind.
If she did have this experience, especially in point 2, it would make me wonder exactly how hard she tried to find Fontelle. Then I'd start wondering why she might not have wanted to find her.
On the surface, PB's explanation about her being unable to find Fontelle appears reasonable - Fontelle had married and changed her name. How could anybody have found her?
That was the question that got me thinking twice. The answer for many sleuthers would be 'easily', I suspect. And anyone who had ever done any research into their family history would also be aware of how to find new family names from public documents, such as marriage certificates. Fontelle was still in MO too - that would have helped.
So to me that explanation only seems reasonable now if;
1) PB was not accustomed to using the internet and www much
2) Had no experience of researching family history, and lacked a 'sleuthing' frame of mind.
If she did have this experience, especially in point 2, it would make me wonder exactly how hard she tried to find Fontelle. Then I'd start wondering why she might not have wanted to find her.
Daughter JuM has replied on at least one family genealogy site. Having publicly slammed people interested in seeing their father's case solved, they are quite capable of using the internet/sleuthing.
Remember, Mr. Harrod originally spelled Fontelle's name as Fauntel.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/02/local/la-me-disappeared3-2010feb03
I think it is very possible PB did search, and couldn't find Fontelle with a misspelled first name and not knowing her last name.
I do find it incredibly hinky that Bob having sought out Fontelle first, was not made known in the immediate stages of the investigation. For that information to become public just 3 months prior to the 4th anniversary of Bob's disappearance shows the daughters 'true colors'.
IIRC, Bob's daughter's publicly insulted Bob by making rude comments and poking fun of his misspelling of Fontelle's name.
Remember, Mr. Harrod originally spelled Fontelle's name as Fauntel.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/02/local/la-me-disappeared3-2010feb03
I think it is very possible PB did search, and couldn't find Fontelle with a misspelled first name and not knowing her last name.
I do find it incredibly hinky that Bob having sought out Fontelle first, was not made known in the immediate stages of the investigation. For that information to become public just 3 months prior to the 4th anniversary of Bob's disappearance shows the daughters 'true colors'.
IIRC, Bob's daughter's publicly insulted Bob by making rude comments and poking fun of his misspelling of Fontelle's name.
I certainly won't be joining in their laughter - I'm forever spelling zwiebel wrong and I lost my dinner once because I signed my name wrong on the credit card slip at the supermarket. It wasn't much of a loss though, as I was cooking it.
Bob seems to be getting some extra, new publicity 'out there', I've just discovered. I'm not linking because I don't know if it's allowed and I'm not sure about it. It seems kind to him and Fontelle, though it's not very informative. I don't know, maybe I'm just too suspicious. Maybe I should just be glad Bob's case is gaining momentum again. It can be found by googling Bob Harrod, and then scrolling for a page or two.
Bob seems to be getting some extra, new publicity 'out there', I've just discovered. I'm not linking because I don't know if it's allowed and I'm not sure about it. It seems kind to him and Fontelle, though it's not very informative. I don't know, maybe I'm just too suspicious. Maybe I should just be glad Bob's case is gaining momentum again. It can be found by googling Bob Harrod, and then scrolling for a page or two.
In fairness though, if daughter PB was searching for 'Fauntel', she would have had a hard time. Nothing connected comes up under that.
It's still no excuse for laughing at their missing father though, because he misspelled a name after nearly 60 years. So once again we are supposed to accept a huge contradiction - that PB loved her father enough to thoroughly search the internet for his long lost love, but was prepared to snicker about it the moment he went missing.
Or maybe it wasn't PB? Maybe it was one of her sisters? In that case she should disown their words, if not the sister/sisters concerned.
It's still no excuse for laughing at their missing father though, because he misspelled a name after nearly 60 years. So once again we are supposed to accept a huge contradiction - that PB loved her father enough to thoroughly search the internet for his long lost love, but was prepared to snicker about it the moment he went missing.
Or maybe it wasn't PB? Maybe it was one of her sisters? In that case she should disown their words, if not the sister/sisters concerned.
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