CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #17

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  • #701
According to Bob's descendants... US! <LOL>

I've often thought if I was ever asked to provide an alibi for a certain day - or even year - I would fail miserably. I have so little concept of dates ( though funnily enough, I can always guess the time of day within a minute or two) I would need guidance. For example, some nice poster just congratulated me on my anniversary here at WS, and it came as a great shock - I had no idea I'd been here a year. I'd have to ask questions in order to answer any question about what I was doing on this or that date. I don't know the date I got married without looking it up, and regularly forget my own birthdate. nd what year it is, this year.

But if someone asked me about that first day I joined WS (whenever it was) I can recall tiny details. I suppose what I'm saying is I appreciate everyone's different, and people who recall dates and times and locations exactly, might fall down miserably when it comes to description. Mr Z's so unaware of clothing he often can't recognise his own.

I have a big problem though, with people who are vague in all areas of recollection, or are vague then recall important details much later, or whose recollections change after they have gained new information (unless they are a child or have a brain impairment). Or who recollect different things to different people.

I'm certain no-one here on Bob's thread fits that bill, but I'm just as certain someone in Bob's close circle does.
 
  • #702
BBM:
An extremely astute observation, Z- one I happen to agree with entirely.

It might also explain away a bit of the lack of information pertaining to Mr. Harrod's last seen- and the confusion over any belongings that may have been on his person at that time.

They don't call a 'hasty' search in SAR for nothing, you know? I sure wish that had happened for Mr. Harrod.

I think Bob's keys and wallet are gone forever and will never be found. Even though they went missing when he did, I don't think it was Bob that took them away. I think his glasses are still in the house, where he left them. And when he left the house, he was partially dressed, or in nightwear/underwear, at best, in my opinion. And I think he also left with an additional covering, but not the sort any living person would use.

'Cheap' is a general description that doesn't mean much. 'Mismatched' is more specific. If, when Bob is found, there is any evidence of certain mismatched items that could be termed 'cheap', someone's words that were originally used to disparage Bob, might turn around and bite them in the tail.
 
  • #703
We can only hope and pray that "bite in the tail" does happen...and soon.
 
  • #704
Well, it's just my opinion, but I think there is only so much unusual behaviour - or unusual words - that can be used around a missing person's case before people sit up and start asking questions. And some of those people might start asking very searching questions indeed. Phenomenally searching ones.

I think it may be easy to dismiss when there are just a few, but if a lot of people and organisations start questioning, I guess that could ramp up some pressure. I think that may be happening now, myself. I believe a lot of people who could have helped very much in the search for Bob, have been reluctant or afraid to do so before. I believe that's changing now, and I'm glad.

One day, after Bob is found, because everything is secondary to that, I hope there will be some answers about exactly what - or who - hampered the search for Bob. I hope they feel they are on solid ground, because otherwise, it won't look good to the world.
 
  • #705
I was just thinking of the little one whose five year old, beaten body is still missing in France, and the rage it has caused there. An entire state seems to be calling for the death penalty now, and it doesn't even exist there.

The fiercest anger is coming from those who supported the grieving mother, who now admits she knew her little girl had been beaten to death all along. I'm not in favour of anyone killing anyone, but I understand the anger of those who now know their trust was catastrophically misplaced. And want the tot brought home now, no matter what.
 
  • #706
This gives me hope for finding Bob; A man missing since 2009 when his burnt out car was discovered, has been found near Santa Cruz and identified. His killers have already been convicted.

http://www.myfoxla.com/story/23569228/body-found-near-santa-cruz-that-of-missing-la-man

ETA It seems like DNA forensic evidence obtained from a garage floor and scooter ignition were very important in obtaining convictions in this case, despite one woman's clean-up attempts.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15026205?nclick_check=1
 
  • #707
This fire started at the northern end of Azusa (Madre Fire, September 26 entry)
http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/category/azusa/

Is it anywhere near this?
http://www.acorausa.com/location.htm

Or this?
http://www.weirdus.com/states/california/roadside_oddities/bridge_to_nowhere/index.php ( it says this place is famous as a dumping ground for bodies, but I can't see a lot of evidence for that, and wonder if it's just an urban legend.

I always see that fires are under investigation, but I can never find the results. I think the Santa Ana winds have arrived and California's fire season has begun, hasn't it, any locals?
 
  • #708
that Bridge to Nowhere has to be hiked into , not a likely dumping ground imho...unless you do the not so easy hike with the person you want to get rid of to there
 
  • #709
I have been going back through old posts, and I really think it is worth mentioning this one. It is dreamweaver on August 7, 2009. Talking about information family were posting right then on IS boards and RoTW. Most noticeable is that family said Bob never mentioned Fontelle.

We know now Bob did indeed mention Fontelle, and asked PB to find her. I'd love to know who it was back then claiming Bob had never mentioned her. Wouldn't it be strange if it turned out to be PB?

There is also mention of a flyer posted on daughter JuM's community website, where Bob is reported to have gone missing at 11am, and JuM's husband discovered this when he returned to the house at 1pm. Would it be unreasonable to suppose that JuM was the person who posted that flyer, as it was her community forum, and she would have checked it with her husband for accuracy?

That seems to suggest that JeM had good reason to think, at the time, that Bob went missing at 11am. Yet it can't have been right if PB spoke to Bob around 11.45. I wonder what made JeM so sure Bob had disappeared at 11am.....and why did he and his wife think Bob had disappeared 'maybe one, noon?' on the 28th July, 10 days before the poster appeared on RoTW saying Bob vanished at 11am?

It's all deleted now, of course. Does anyone remember that flyer though? Is it the Placentia PD one?

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  • #710
You know, that 11am just does not make any sense at all. If JeM left the house before 11am, and didn't return until 1pm, how the heck would he have known Bob vanished at 11am?

Unless....he left the house at 10amish to go to the pharmacy for those paper plates and doughnuts or whatever, returned at 11am to find Bob gone, did a little more work, then left the house again, and returned at 1pm.

ETA Bob was last seen at 11am. They were not claiming he vanished then.
 
  • #711
It STILL doesn't make any sense. I wonder if anyone has records of those posts by family - they could be really important.
 
  • #712
Okay, it makes a little more sense. Son in law JeM ORIGINALLY tells police and his wife he last saw Bob at 11am, when he left the house to go to Home Depot (Home Depot is where det Loomis said JeM had told them he went in an article on Thursday, July 30).

When he returned at 1pm, Bob was gone. That lines up a little better with the housekeeper's stated arrival of 12.15pm, but still leaves a discrepancy of three quarters of an hour.

It also puts in doubt daughter PB's call, at 12.15 ish. It means Bob's abductor had a maximum of 30 minutes to get Bob out of the house before the housekeeper was there, sitting on the stoop.

Possible though. But then why, within days, is JeM producing a 2.30 p. receipt to prove he was at Home Depot, and Det Loomis was telling media he was where he said he was? He was where he said he was, but that's not when he said he was there originally.
 
  • #713
I am supposed to be looking for info to help Oriah, and I've got completely distracted by the flipping timeline again.
 
  • #714
that Bridge to Nowhere has to be hiked into , not a likely dumping ground imho...unless you do the not so easy hike with the person you want to get rid of to there

Thank you! That's a lovely new avatar.
 
  • #715
Sorry to keep posting, but look at this one;

CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

On August 14 2009, there was someone claiming to be a family member on IS, saying Son in law left for Home Depot at 11am, and returned at 1pm to find the housekeeper had been sitting on the stoop for half an hour. And son in law notified family Bob was missing.

If that poster on IS really was a family member, then they knew all along the housekeeper arrived at noon and not 3pm. This was only 18 days after Bob disappeared.

ETA There was another poster somewhere claiming to be a daughter, who right up until this year, was still claiming the housekeeper arrived around 3pm. Whatever has been going on here?
 
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  • #717
By October 2, people claiming to be family are saying son in law last saw Bob at 2pm and the housekeeper arrived at 2.45pm.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #1

So between August 29, 2009 and October 2, 2009, the time of son in law's last sighting of Bob changed from 11am to 2pm and whoever those family members were, they also changed the housekeeper's arrival to 2.45pm.

It is worth noting here; The first media reports and posts by Bob's family say the housekeeper arrived around noon (there was no word from the housekeeper herself). Later, they change the housekeeper's arrival time to 2.45.

The housekeeper herself, to camera in Disappeared, says she arrived around noon. Yet I have seen recent posts from someone claiming to be a family member suggesting she must be mistaken. So that couldn't be one of the the same family members who said, back in Aug 14, 2009, that the housekeeper arrived around noon?
 
  • #718
So what could have happened in those 34 days between Aug 29 and Oct 2 in 2009, that made them all shift their times?
 
  • #719
You're uncovering the whole lot of smoke and mirrors used by the family, Zwie'. Makes me wonder if PB and RB were/are in fear for their life if they didn't try to cover the enormous discrepancy in the last seen times given by JuM and JeM.

I still go back to the statement and tears from PB in the disappeared episode when she used the words -we tried to warn him- and -it became a problem- the way she looked away to her lower right still really stands out to me, and makes me think she knows more than she's telling.
 
  • #720
So what could have happened in those 34 days between Aug 29 and Oct 2 in 2009, that made them all shift their times?


JeM's interview with police on Friday July 31, 2009 where he produced reciepts that didn't verify his whereabouts for the time prior to the arrival of the cleaning lady.
 
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