CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #17

[Oriah]

Where they spread her ashes, and had her memorial so they would forever be together. It would be a sick sort of twisted peace for them as she did not have a grave to visit either. Keeping him from being buried or cremated with Fontelle. Something they probably couldn't fathom..their father being happy and enjoying his money. I believe he is weighted down in that very water. Sadly.

I understand exactly what you are saying. And you raise a very interesting point-which familiy members were aware of Mr. Harrod's intentions of his remains upon his eventual death?
What were his intentions? Is there anything in MSM or from LE that indicates he had a specific directive in place? In addition or separate from Georgia's?

 

[Mahouston69]

If I was LE I would request or investigate where or who they may have chartered to take them all out on boats for the memorial and where they took them. Also, which one of them has/had/or may have rented a boat that day or in the days following his disappearance.

 

[Mahouston69]

I understand exactly what you are saying. And you raise a very interesting point-which familiy members were aware of Mr. Harrod's intentions of his remains upon his eventual death?
What were his intentions? Is there anything in MSM or from LE that indicates he had a specific directive in place? In addition or separate from Georgia's?

I think at the point of his death, even if it was his intentions and they followed through with them, giving themselves peace they had funny habits of deciding what was best for Dad and would have put them together regardless.

 

[believe09]

Where they spread her ashes, and had her memorial so they would forever be together. It would be a sick sort of twisted peace for them as she did not have a grave to visit either. Keeping him from being buried or cremated with Fontelle. Something they probably couldn't fathom..their father being happy and enjoying his money. I believe he is weighted down in that very water. Sadly.

:thud:

This never even crossed my mind, or if it did I have no recollection of it.

 

[believe09]

If I was LE I would request or investigate where or who they may have chartered to take them all out on boats for the memorial and where they took them. Also, which one of them has/had/or may have rented a boat that day or in the days following his disappearance.

Or a plane. One of his family members has a pilots license, but that is almost too much to be believed.

IIRC, I did some work around when you would have to file a flight plan.

 

[believe09]

Mahouston69- your post really really resonated with me. We have absolutely seen hoarding behavior with this family-it would be completely in character for someone to have ensured that Bob never reside with Fontelle.

Oh Gosh.

 

[believe09]

I think at the point of his death, even if it was his intentions and they followed through with them, giving themselves peace they had funny habits of deciding what was best for Dad and would have put them together regardless.

I think this is a remarkable observation.

 

[zwiebel]

I think at the point of his death, even if it was his intentions and they followed through with them, giving themselves peace they had funny habits of deciding what was best for Dad and would have put them together regardless.

Thank you for visiting Bob's thread!

I always wondered if the burial at sea for Georgia was somehow connected to the loss of her father at sea.........and a way of making sure she was as far away from Bob as possible.

 

[Mahouston69]

Or a plane. One of his family members has a pilots license, but that is almost too much to be believed.

IIRC, I did some work around when you would have to file a flight plan.

Yep, the hoarder mentality, dictating what and how he should spend their inheritance etc.

I am stuck on their preplan to not lose a penny of their inheritance, get rid of Fontelle, burial at sea or scattering ashes (shudder) with mom after Dad unfortunately did not die along with Mom and messed everything up by trying to keep living past 80! I think no matter how he died, they put him there... in a twisted psychotic way to feel some peace that he lived a full life and will forever be with their mom as they always felt he should be.

They aren't looking because they know exactly where he is. All of them. Although I suspect one ringleader. I'm sure the threat of anyone talking and zero inheritance shut them all up. They have probably "healed" together, lied to themselves about what was necessary and the only unexpected glitch was that Fontelle didn't go home. Thankfully. I hope , LE has done due diligence into this and only need DNA, blood, remains to prove it. Also, I hope Bob is haunting them all.

 

[zwiebel]

If we are looking at Bob disappearing into the sea;

Carnation Drive, Placentia, then vehicle to the boat (in a boat store/harbour)?

Then either towing the boat, along with Bob, to the sea and sailing off or

Going to the harbour, with Bob in a vehicle, then transferring him to the boat and sailing off.

What is the coast like there? Busy? Are boat bays expensive beachside? I am just wondering who might have had the money to keep a boat by the sea if they are. I wonder if anyone close to the case holds a pilot's (boat) licence.

I am really not sure about renting a boat without a licence, and otherwise I would have thought a person would have to hire someone to sail it too. And they'd see if any illegal disposals took place.

 

[zwiebel]

We have thought about a boat before believe09 - I recollect us referencing another case now, a man and his poor pregnant wife, Laci Peterson, I think?

 

[believe09]

We have thought about a boat before believe09 - I recollect us referencing another case now, a man and his poor pregnant wife, Laci Peterson, I think?

Poor Laci.

If his remains were disposed of in the water, it had to have been at night I would think. I mean, I dont know what kind of illegal dumping activity occurs in Orange County-I have heard about a lot off of the highways, but never heard of any in the water relatively close to land.

 

[believe09]

I think it is likely that LE is looking for one final piece to put it all together. Regardless, the Cold Case Squad and the OC DA already have this one on their radar. I wonder what the prosecution rate is for cases investigated by the Cold Case Squad that are forwarded to the DA? I bet it is a pretty high percentage.

 

[zwiebel]

I think a person would have to be experienced and hold a licence to sail a boat at night on the sea. Or completely, utterly reckless.

It's just my opinion, but if Bob's in water, I think it's more likely to be a lake.

 

[zwiebel]

'In the state of California, boat operators can be as young as 12 years old..'

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/California-Dangerous-Waterways-214083081.html

Good heavens.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

Thank you askfornina

Seen bobs name mentioned here last couple of years or so but never read anything until now...I have read the information by askforniana, and the utube video that followed not long after...I know some of you may know the answers to my questions without even looking, so I post for you to save many hours in looking for something you could answer in seconds. And its not because I am to lazy to read, just looking to save time.

As far as the son in law, nothing there really im guessing, the LEOS, have done and probably continuation to do a very good investigation into this case.

the three sisters involved?...If just one maybe, but all three i would say no. To hold there story together this long and not fall apart somewhere id look elsewhere for involment.

I found myself more interested in what the cleaning lady had to say since she had cleaned for past 10 years i believe i read. She would known him better than the daughters during those years for coming to clean everywhere i think it was. I am sure they had conversations over time, about things. past things current things such as marriage , new woman coming to live there............Just thinking out loud, wondered if the cleaning lady thought she was going to be the next MRSZ?? After all she did clean for the man over ten years? But I guess the LEOS CHECKED that out also and find nothing correct?

The bed was not made, out of order according to her. and no key was left to get in like on a normal cleaning day, could have just forgotten i guess.

How did the cleaning lady get there? She drive there to?
So jeff goes gets supplies, and in between the time he left and the cleaning lady arrives in between that time Bob is gone?

If he walked away, i think they would have found him by now. So i speculate he left the area by transportation means. Not his car of course, but he did take the keys and his wallet?

Did bob have any regular drivers? Once a month week, or whatever that would come by and pick him up for what ever reasons, perhaps even on this day?

Investigating as a homicide and not a missing persons case. So though no money shown taken or disturbed from his accounts, money or position or promises made but not kept could have left to his death. A day before she was to arrive at her new home, jeff leaves, cleaning lady shows up bobs gone.

I like to see the official LEOs report from the interview they had with the cleaning lady.
Is that possible.

Quote...Normally, she cleans Bob's house on Tuesday, but this week she'd arranged to come on Monday...end of qutoe
The day the cleaning lady made, changing it from tuesday to monday is the day he came up missing. Bob didnt change it, the cleaning lady changed it.............Do we know that for fact? DID bob tell someone that the cleaning lady changed the day. And bob just forgot to leave the key for monday, instead of tuesday. DID ANYONE KNOW, that the day had been changed,

 

[deca]

All the boat docks in the city are pretty jammed. Most of the ones I have been to also have people living in their boats mixed in with pleasure boats. It is also quite a community and people ask you where you are going, what are you doing, etc.

I just don't see them walking up to a charter, asking to rent it, smuggling Bob on (would take two people to carry) all without being seen. Most of the time you can't park closer than 100 feet to the boat. My friend's slip was at least 100 yards from the parking area. The harbor master kept track of who left the harbor and when they returned. Even if it is your private boat I think it would be a huge risk.

Personally, I don't think I would do it that way. In Placentia, if you head due east (IIRC) you are in sparsely populated area within 15 minutes. Who would head the other way with a body in the car, driving through a mega city that is famous for congestion for at least an hour (possibly 3) to get to the ocean?

Another important factor is WHEN would this have happened? If we trust the 10am phone confirmation of Bob life, and the 12 ish arrival of the CL, that is 2 hours where Bob has to be killed and hidden. He would have had to be put somewhere on the property or nearby by JeM and retrieved later. I don't think he would have been kept in the house (because I think the dogs didn't pick up any thing in there, right?)

JMO--- I do respect other points of view though so keep them coming.

 

[believe09]

Welcome Mr TT! Bob drove himself. He was in excellent mental and physical shape according to his DR, with the exception of his bad knees.

 

[Mahouston69]

It depends on where Mom's ashes were scattered and how far out they went as to what type of boat was necessary. My uncle owns a nice sturdy river boat that he takes ocean fishing every weekend and has been catching nice Cod etc. yes, you can rent any type of boat here at many Marina's and a "boat license" is not necessary. You wouldn't need a yacht or anything. Early mornings this time of year, not very dark. You wouldn't have a lot of traffic and could be disguised as a multitude of objects.

Truth is usually stranger than fiction so
There is also the possibility his body was "cremated" up in the mountains close to one residence on their property where many fires take place every year and things are "burned" in barrels and actually scattered his ashes in their own private memorial.

A lake close to that residence might also be a possibility but the ocean...depending on what he was put in there....is more likely
1) being at peace with their mom, less remorse, less grieving
2) it's the ocean..

 

[believe09]

Thanks deca-I dont believe LE has released any information regarding what canines might have discovered.

I wouldnt have chosen a boat either, but I dont have the same, uh, obsessions this family has. I would almost believe that anything is possible including the conspiracy.

As Mahouston69 alluded to-they may very well have mourned together and now they are trying to forget together. Dad went poof and here we are in the money like we thought we would be when Mom died.