CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #17

[zwiebel]

Interestingly, there were 'unofficial' players out there in 2009, as you can see from the date of the posts here. Just driving out to remote areas with their own equipment, to play for free somewhere. Off-road paintballing, I suppose you could call it.

I wonder if they are still meeting up out there, and where?

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/OC-Free-PaintBall/

 

[MaryNo]

Respectfully snipped by me ...

The daughters knew all along that Bob had a fair amount of money. Bob was very helpful to all of them when it came to finances. Paula helped Bob with his taxes, and all knew about the bypass trust. They all had financial issues, and wanted to see how the trust "would go", so they pressured Bob for the meeting on Sunday for paperwork associated with the bypass trust. In short, the daughters have done a bit of pretending ignorance when it comes to the finances of their father. They couldn't have NOT known their father "had money."

Agnes doesn't have a motive. Agnes knew Jeff would be there. Bob WAS expecting Agnes on Monday, they had a conversation on the phone about her coming on Monday, which is when he told her about Jeff. It was Jeff that wasn't kept in the loop about Agnes. Bob only put the key in the box if he wasn't going to be there. No key in the box, means he intended to be there. He wasn't. She sat out on the bench waiting for Bob. Jeff showed up 15 mins. or so after she arrived. He let her in through the back door.

There were no comments by law enforcement about anyone but Jeff seeing the SUV that matched the description of Josie's SUV driving suspiciously past the house. I don't know about anyone else, but I find it suspicious that he was able to see the SUV from up in the bathroom.

It's helpful to read through the first 2 or 3 threads of this case, as there is a lot of info on Agnes, daughters' behavior/statements on the internet, media, etc. that will help you put things in perspective, as to how the case has flowed.

I don't believe Agnes' physical attractiveness is why she was on Disappeared.
:rose:

Whom would know, bob had alot of money saved? The daughters seemed not to know according to them, until after the wife died.

add on...I know for the most part what the CL said has been taken as scripture. I am not there yet. But will move on when I do.

So the out of the box that the cl showed up with someone that morning and the driver took bob to make him take out cash but took him before he could leave a key in the mailbox, which made the cl set outside on the porch swing i believe it was. She changed the day to Monday instead of Tuesday because Monday was the day before the new wife moved in i believe but not certain that is correct. That SUV that J spotted, could that had been the cl and her accomplish driving up and down the street waiting to see if bob was home, and seeing if J was going to leave. She knew J would be coming by, she said that herself.

The above nothing more than speculation and assumptions. Nothing posted as being fact. Just an outside the box theory.

And as far as she appearing on the id show. Well, pretty slim attractive blonde, with an opportunity to be seen my millions nationally on TV. Why not?

WAIT........She said bob told her Jeff was coming by, But Bob FAILED to tell Jeff SHE was coming by?? IF bob was not expecting the cl until tuesday, than her showing up was a surprise to him to. Could explain why there was no key in the box.

 

[Cubby]

The minute I heard the "unwell" statement as related by LE, I thought of this too Grainne Dhu. It does seem like some of the information that has been related might actually have shades of some possible truths.

Like, was there an SUV and whose was it actually? Was there a call made by PB and did she speak with someone and heard someone else in the background? Did JuM have the closest timeline to the truth when she relates that her father had disappeared by 10AM that morning?

BBM, yes. I will look for that post of JuM's and add it if someone else has not already done so. (still catching up on this thread.)

 

[Cubby]

It is pretty clear from the letter sent to Bob's lawyer in the weeks preceding his disappearance that at least one daughter was under the misapprehension that Bob somehow no longer really owned his own assets, that they were all owned by the bypass trust and would therefore be kept intact until Bob's death when they would be distributed to his heirs.

Which is sort of true, in that whatever was left of his assets would go into the bypass trust at his death. But until his death, he could use them as he pleased. Even if his pleasure included showering a new wife with expensive trinkets, travel, real estate or who knows what. After all, Bob had quite the history of buying real estate for the ones he loved (his daughters and grandson) so who would be more aware of the possibility he might decide to do the same thing for the new Mrs Harrod?

The TV clips before Bob disappeared seem to me to show a man who had a new lease on life, a new reason to live because he'd fallen in love again with his first sweetheart. Which is just the sort of mood where a person might be inspired to make extravagant gifts to one's new love.

These are the same daughters who have posted to various places on the internet that their father's "god" was money, that he was unreasonably cheap, that he was too cheap to provide adequate care for Georgia Harrod in her final months (which was rebutted by his friend and former neighbour) and impugning his choices in matters as picayune as the brand of TV dinner he chose to buy.

They were also quick to brand Fontelle as a gold digger and even to imply she was lying about her previous relationship with Bob! Which was contradicted when one of the daughters said that at her father's request she had tried to find Fontelle about 5 months before Fontelle found Bob.

Seems to me that there is overwhelming evidence that money weighed heavily on those daughters' minds.

And that they seem to be unaware that once something is on the internet, there's a pretty good chance it will never disappear. Reality bites.

This post jarred my memory regarding the memorabilia list. Mr TT, if you have not already read it, my suggestion is to do so. It's long but worth it.

Here is the link to the court documents thread:
CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



Here is the link to the post with the memorabilia list:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion


The memorabilia list begins on page 34 of the PDF file at above link to the individual post.

Still catching up..........

 

[zwiebel]

O/T but talking about being left things;

Someone invaded my garden in the middle of the night and left me a lovely set of sneaker prints across a newly varnished wooden terrace. And also.....a tomato.
WTH???

 

[zwiebel]

RB's lawyer letter is an amazing example of contradiction between what daughters said in public about their non-interest in Bob's money and happiness at his relationship, and what they said in private. Even in public though, they have contradicted themselves with things they have said about Fontelle and Bob.

It makes me wonder if behind-the-back stuff was so normal for them, they didn't realize other people would be surprised. It also makes me wonder if everything in the garden is rosy for Bob's relatives now, or if some people are being kept in the loop, and some out? With things like the latest news item, for example - I wonder if perhaps some family members were aware it might be coming up, and some were not?

I think the presenter did say they weren't able to reach a family member for comment; she just didn't say who.

 

[Cubby]

I'm still looking for a quote of JuM's post of 07/28/009 on her community forum where she stated her dad was missing appx 28 hours and that the family suspected foul play but remained hopeful.

If anyone finds it before me, please go ahead and post it.

 

[Cubby]

Carried over from Cloudajo's post in thread # 13:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #13


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Here are the two references to 10AM on July 27. As you mentioned, re JuM&#8217;s post at 01:50PM on ROTW July 28, ~28 hours ago would be a little before 10AM on July 27. Regarding the comment posted by the reporter re 10AM on July 27, he didn&#8217;t say a non-family member &#8211; he said anyone other than Jeff Michaels.

Both the post by JuM and all comments under the article have since been removed.


Jul 28, 2009
(ROTW)
From: Jules - Julie
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 01:50 PM

Plea for Positive Thoughts and Prayers - My dad is missing

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want 1o remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0


The reporter who wrote the article for the OC Register posted this comment, since removed with all other comments:

Officials have said that at 10 a.m. July 27 there was a phone call to Bob Harrod, which is the last time anyone other than Jeff Michaels verified he was at the house. Police are not releasing the content of those phone records.

http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/harrod-bob-police-2598739-fontelle-michaels?orderby=TimeStampAscending&showRecommende dOnly=1&oncommentsPage=2#slComments

 

[zwiebel]

It's in Angelo's post here, under July 28 2009.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, Time Line and Media Links only

 

[zwiebel]

Snap. I knew that would happen.

 

[Cubby]

Snap. I knew that would happen.

No worries, lol. I just wasn't sure I'd find it. I had to try variations of keywords. Using ROTW finally found it.

 

[Cubby]

It should be noted the first last time seen posted by daughter JuM corroborates the time line given by LE regarding that 10 am phone call.

It was later that the time line changed to fit the receipts provided by JeM to police.

JeM claims he arrived at Bob's after 3:00pm to find the housekeeper. (MSM)
The house keeper stated she arrived around noon. (Teaser snippet/video for Disappeared episode-since removed due to change in scheduling airdate of the show)

I'll bet the pings from Agnes' cell phone prove the time she arrived at Bob's. (that's my guess on hold back info, well one of them.)

 

[zwiebel]

On the same day that JuM gave the interview saying 'we' think Bob disappeared at 'maybe one? Noon?', she also posted on ROTW that he had been missing 'approx 28' hours. The time she made that post means 28 hours previous was 10am.

She made that post at ten to two in the afternoon. I think it could be very important to establish what time she did the TV interview. To discover which timeline she was changing. I don't believe these times were just a slip of the tongue - the 28hrs is too precise and the maybe one, noon? she thought about - you can see her doing so in the video.

There could be a good reason her times changed so dramatically, but it is puzzling to me that she never bothered to clarify why, and even more puzzling that she deleted the post that referenced it. If it was just an honest mistake, why not say so?

 

[zwiebel]

It should be noted the first last time seen posted by daughter JuM corroborates the time line given by LE regarding that 10 am phone call.

It was later that the time line changed to fit the receipts provided by JeM to police.

JeM claims he arrived at Bob's after 3:00pm to find the housekeeper. (MSM)
The house keeper stated she arrived around noon. (Teaser snippet/video for Disappeared episode-since removed due to change in scheduling airdate of the show)

I'll bet the pings from Agnes' cell phone prove the time she arrived at Bob's. (that's my guess on hold back info, well one of them.)

Wow. Do you think it came down to a question of Agnes's word against Jeff's?

ETA: And maybe indicates Jeff didn't take his cell to Bob's?

 

[Cubby]

Wow. Do you think it came down to a question of Agnes's word against Jeff's?

ETA: And maybe indicates Jeff didn't take his cell to Bob's?

Yes, in the sense that LE has to determine which of the two is telling the truth. One way for LE to determine the credibility of Agnes's statement is to check cell pings to determine if she was where she was when she said she was.

In fact, it would not surprise me if reciepts, video surveillance and cell phone pings were used to verify the credibility of Agnes' statements.

I'd also go as far as saying as others statements were deemed credible those same statements helped rule out others.


ETA: I think it is possible Jeff had a disposable tracfone. They are only about 10 dollars and can be disposed of easily......

 

[zwiebel]

That kind of phone doesn't strike me as the kind he would have. Bob's children all seemed quite status conscious? So I'd have thought, being married into the family for so long, son-in-law might have grown a bit like that too, and maybe wanted a more upmarket phone?

It would be very, very strange indeed if son-in-law had an upmarket phone, but had suddenly purchased a throway (or do you call them burn phones? I've seen that on another thread but wasn't sure what it was and was too embarrassed to ask).

 

[zwiebel]

I've been knocked a bit off kilter today. Not only have I suffered a garden invasion by someone armed with a tomato, but I've just discovered OC court has recently barred anyone with an international IP address from accessing their case files. It's strictly prohibited now.

They have every right to do this of course - a Supreme Court Ruling means they can ban out of staters too, if they care to. I couldn't help thinking it's unusual though. Most states have completely open access.

Maybe OC court house has been getting an unusually high number of global requests recently, and thought they should limit access to US taxpayers only? That's fair enough. I'm happy with only US citizens having access. They seem quite good at making sure info that needs to be in the public domain gets there, one way or another.

 

[zwiebel]

I can't access the OC Reg, or the OC Court, or certain other places...I'm wondering what's next?

I don't really care though. This happened to me on a NY case too. You can't shut that lot up though - I love them. The moment I got cut off, I got inundated with more info than I could have dreamed of! I love New Yorkers. But I'm definitely biased.

 

[Oriah]

Hey ya'll- sorry to be so absent from the thread this last little bit. Wanted to reassure that it has nothing to do with Mr. Harrod's case- or the importance thereof- or even what all might be going on behind the scenes. Still a very active (online and off) search for our dear Bob, which will not end until he is found and brought to justice.

Just a LOT of stuff going on in Oriah world!

Keep up all the good work, and continue to share amongst each other; it may take a village, but oh can we raise this child right.
Thinking about Bob today- and what an amazing group of people you all are.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/harrod-loomis-family-2513035-home-police


Harrod was last seen by his son-in-law, Jeff Michaels, around 1:30 p.m. on Monday. Harrod, a former contract manager, sent Michaels to Home Depot, but when Michaels returned, Harrod was no longer in the house, said Loomis.
"His receipt showed that he paid for his items after 3 p.m.," Loomis said. "He thinks he was at Home Depot for 45 minutes to an hour, so given 15 minutes or so of driving time, you're looking at 1:30."


But now things have changed because the cl was there at noon? So J seeing bob at around 130pm is out the window, based on what the cl said....


And how did we explain the time on the receipts.


Narrator: But Jeff was not the only person at Bob's house that day. Agnes, Bob's housekeeper of more than 10 years arrived around noon. Normally, she cleans Bob's house on Tuesday, but this week she'd arranged to come on Monday.



Is this one of the red flags, where some think J did something with bob between 10 and noon?

http://www.bobharrodmissing.com/timeline.html
July 27th, 2009: Bob was gone by 12pm, according to the housekeeper (Disappeared: Long Lost Love)Amazon.com: Disappeared: Season 6, Episode 13 "Long Lost Love"

Note: other media report the time of the housekeeper's arrival as 3 pm.

The above in red goes well with this timeline below.
Harrod was last seen by his son-in-law, Jeff Michaels, around 1:30 p.m. on Monday. Harrod, a former contract manager, sent Michaels to Home Depot, but when Michaels returned, Harrod was no longer in the house, said Loomis.
"His receipt showed that he paid for his items after 3 p.m.," Loomis said. "He thinks he was at Home Depot for 45 minutes to an hour, so given 15 minutes or so of driving time, you're looking at 1:30."

July 28th, 2009: 'We're thinking maybe one? Noon?'Bob's youngest daughter, wife of son-in-law. ktla com3 - YouTube