CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #17

[sreshowtime]

Chapel of Hoses?? rotfl, sorry I know it is a typo, should be Roses
...it's all Hosed, alright, eh?

 

[sreshowtime]

interesting the groom's mother didn't attend and name change was even way back then....or was his mother possibly remarried to a Fink? Do we know for fact on that?

 

[zwiebel]

There is an interesting comment about RB here, considering the family say they didn't know they could report their father missing straight away. It's from an old alumni who worked for Monrovia PD for 50 years, and says RB worked there with her.

It also states how Mrs Harrod has moved in and changed all the locks, so I guess RB forgot to mention how it was only on another daughter's advice that she did that? That's a shame, because I think it gives a slight impression of something not quite right? Maybe that's just me though.

The entry is under August 2009. There is also a more recent one, mentioning how the writer has met up with RB, and how active RB is in helping out with a veterans charity. I wonder if it is one for Marines, like Bob?

http://madcatsalumni.org/'52.htm

 

[believe09]

:thud: RB worked for Monrovia PD. Huh.

The entry is under August 2009. There is also a more recent one, mentioning how the writer has met up with RB, and how active RB is in helping out with a veterans charity

Yeah right. IIRC there is a post from her online somewhere that refers to her ex husband as a veteran she is charitable to due to his substance abuse. But I could be mistaken.

I wonder how Tex is doing?

 

[Opie]

:bump:

Bumping this thread back to first page.

 

[zwiebel]

I know Det Radomski spoke about the details surrounding Bob's disappearance, but the more I've thought about it, the more I think the general picture too is incredibly important.

If you had to summarise what happened and what people did in a paragraph or two at the most, a pattern becomes obvious, in my opinion. I pinched Mr Z's chess board to try and demonstrate it to myself, and it worked really well. I might ask him to do it again for me, as he can actually play and knows many of the classic games, whereas I always feel sorry for my pawns and save them, at the expense of my king and queen.

Anyway, if Bob is a pawn at the center of the board, and other people close to the case are other pieces, and you start to move them according to where people were and where they went/what they did up to and after he disappeared.....a pattern becomes quite, quite clear in my opinion.

It sounds mad but I found it really enlightening. And if you then start taking into account some of the details that have been revealed - such as Bob asking PB to find Fontelle, or RB having worked (or working at the time?) for Monrovia Police Dept, the pattern begins to look less and less right. As though the player of the game was trying to get all the pieces off the board, while making a tiny little maneuver in the corner to check mate.

Some pictures really would be more helpful in explaining what I mean. Luckily, I think Mr Z may have the time to help me, as our TV hasn't worked for some time and football is unavailable. A big bird ( or a little bird small enough to squeeze out of the attic window and onto the roof) must have knocked the satellite dish out of range.

(If he sees this, am I in trouble..)

 

[Grainne Dhu]

I know very little about small planes except that they are way more fun to ride in than commercial jets.

I have been thinking about AH and that pesky pilot's license. I'm assuming he doesn't own his own plane because until his grandfather disappeared, he had a huge debt load. Since that has changed, it's possible that he may own a plane which would make the following ideas less useful.

I know that as long as small plane pilots avoid certain altitudes and areas (and small planes can't handle that much altitude anyway), the pilot does not necessarily have to file a flight plan and even if they do, they don't have to follow it. For example, the search for Steve Fossett would have been much easier had he filed a flight plan and been obligated to follow that plan. But if you rent a plane, there's a paper trail that follows you. And there must be a finite number of places to rent small planes, even in the LA area. This would be a tip for LE, obviously.

My other idea is related. Can someone arrange to send fliers to places that rent small planes and to businesses that use small planes such as surveyers? Too bad this isn't the midwest, crop dusting planes come in low enough that power lines are a known hazard. There's actually quite a lot of people who hold small plane licenses and who fly just for the fun of it--those would be the perfect target for flyers.

 

[sreshowtime]

(get outta my head lovely Zwie, I was thinking chess yesterday as a matter of fact)

 

[zwiebel]

There is an AH that owns a plane, but it's not Bob's grandson. It can make things a bit confusing.

Midwest and power lines - I saw the most terrifying old photo once, of a crop duster hanging off some, and the pilot survived. There was also another pic, of a young cowhand who had walked home from his girl's house on a dark winter night and wasn't found until spring thaw. The flat, vast landscape struck me, and I wondered how it was possible to walk into a fence like that and just die of cold hanging over it, only feet from the highway.

Then I came to Germany and saw my first, real snows and realized how much it changes the landscape, flat or not.

sres - we could make our chess patterns online - it's very popular, though there's not much chit chat. In fact, some chess players can be a bit grumpy, I find.

 

[DzrtAsp]

OK, admitting that I'm a hopeless n00b, here's my theory:

The SiL was merely an on-site coordinator and clean-up crew for a premeditated act:

At a carefully-determined time, an unidentified ("professional"?) third party swooped in, overpowered the victim, bundled him into a waiting vehicle, and took off. Total time: 5 minutes.

SiL returns to house to clean up any scant residual evidence (eg signs of a struggle) and that's the end of it. This may also explain the unusually long amount of time the SiL spent upstairs that Agnes ("the cleaning lady") reported.

According to this theory, Mr. Harrod could have ended up just about anywhere.

Anything here that doesn't fit the known facts?

 

[zwiebel]

Welcome, DzrtAsp!

I'm not quite sure how all the visits to the hardware store fits in with that?

 

[sreshowtime]

^ in that type scenario- I would venture 3rd party is a known, not so, professional

imho

 

[sreshowtime]

zwie, might visits to store could be a geeze I dunno what happen I wasn't there? ignorance is bliss

 

[zwiebel]

A geeze is an abbreviation for a geezer (man) where I come from. Am I following?

 

[zwiebel]

DzrtAsp, if you don't mind, how do I pronounce that? It's harder than German!

 

[DzrtAsp]

Thanks for the welcome

I was thinking that the visit to the hardware store was to get off-site while the "professionals" did their work and also to provide a credible alibi for his whereabouts when the crime took place.

Obviously, this scenario requires the SiL/family to "hire" someone, which would leave some sort of communication-related evidence unless they were *extremely* discreet. That's the biggest "hole" in the theory.

I'm not sure how carefully the family's communications history and physical whereabouts prior to the disappearance have been examined by LE to rule it out though.

 

[DzrtAsp]

Oh and "DzrtAsp" is a play on words - I am a desert (offroad) enthusiast and I also have a form of autism called "Aspergers". You could pronounce it "desert asp"

 

[zwiebel]

One of the most noticeable gaps in all the info gaps regarding Bob's disappearance, is where everybody close to him was. They've never said publically. It's strange.

Except Mrs Harrod of course. She was thousands of miles away in Mo.

 

[zwiebel]

Oh and "DzrtAsp" is a play on words - I am a desert (offroad) enthusiast and I also have a form of autism called "Aspergers". You could pronounce it "desert asp"

Thank you! So are you guys called DOHV enthusiasts?

 

[sreshowtime]

geeze= oh well/oh great/oh my/oh really ...in my vocab