CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #17

[sreshowtime]

you ARE on the list now Dzrt...'splain it to me, Lucy

Well you know, we don't really know the personal background of certain persons, and IF they have/had unsavory associates in the past...

it is a thought, but does what we do know allow for such an orchestrated plan? Did CL's appearance throw the proverbial wrench in? Is that what the perp secretly hopes, that a path of conjecture is followed.

 

[zwiebel]

I have no links, but I am fairly convinced that Monrovia PD have confirmed that their missing person policy was in place when RB worked there, and it did not involve having to wait 48 hours to report someone missing.

Besides that anyway, if my loved one went missing and I thought the rules forbade me from reporting it, I would call in every contact I had. RB stated in an article that she felt 'helpless', whereas in fact it seems as though she might have been better placed to enlist help than anyone else in the family.

 

[zwiebel]

you ARE on the list now Dzrt...'splain it to me, Lucy

Well you know, we don't really know the personal background of certain persons, and IF they have/had unsavory associates in the past...

it is a thought, but does what we do know allow for such an orchestrated plan? Did CL's appearance throw the proverbial wrench in? Is that what the perp secretly hopes, that a path of conjecture is followed.

I'm on it too. I even clicked the pay links.

 

[zwiebel]

I have been thinking a lot about Home Depot recently. I suppose I should post real details in the SAR thread, but I just wanted to say here;

Home Depot in Placentia is not a convenient, regular store for anyone engaging in lots of home renovations Up the Hill. There, in Running Springs for example, is a local store that has good reviews. But like all local stores, they have limitations compared to the larger ones.
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/rusty-hammer-hardware-store-the-running-springs

The nearest big store is said by a reviewer to be 20 mins away. In winter, with snow, I wonder which way that would be? There is one in Highlands, that people seem to really like.
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/lowes-home-improvement-highland

I am just wondering if necessary supplies could have been purchased on the way to Bob's, at a familiar store, and Home Depot could be less important than it seems?

 

[Grainne Dhu]

assuming this was a MFH...how does one shop for that...that wouldn't leave an oh so obvious trail....and assuming the wheels were set into motion after the nuptials

call in a favor??

Police and associated personnel often come into contact with persons of questionable or negotiable morals.

 

[sreshowtime]

I guess that would depend on known repairs needed versus needed repairs warranted

 

[DzrtAsp]

I'm still getting up to speed - assuming it was a "DIY" job - what sort of window did the SiL have to dump the evidence, time-wise and is it known what type of vehicle he might have used?

 

[deca]

I'm still getting up to speed - assuming it was a "DIY" job - what sort of window did the SiL have to dump the evidence, time-wise and is it known what type of vehicle he might have used?

Since we don't know WHAT happened, it is hard to determine things.
Basically, there was a call somewhere in the 10 o clock hour that is the last known time Bob was alive (the call is believed to be someone outside the case). Around 12, the cleaning lady arrives and waits around the outside of the house, puzzled, because Bob was to have let her in. About 15 min later, the SiL shows up and lets the cleaning lady in. Around 3, the Sil leaves saying he has to go to home depot. The CL leaves shorty thereafter.

So, most people believe the crime to have occurred between 10am- 12 pm. As far as any repairs or cleanup- well some of that could have occurred later that evening.

We also don't know how solid the 10am call was. If it is ever decided that the call isn't legit- well that is a whole new ballgame.

These times are just roundabout, I think in zwie's sig line there are some links with some more accurate info. Anyone can jump in and correct me-- I was just going from the top of my head.

 

[DzrtAsp]

Since we don't know WHAT happened, it is hard to determine things.
Basically, there was a call somewhere in the 10 o clock hour that is the last known time Bob was alive (the call is believed to be someone outside the case). Around 12, the cleaning lady arrives and waits around the outside of the house, puzzled, because Bob was to have let her in. About 15 min later, the SiL shows up and lets the cleaning lady in. Around 3, the Sil leaves saying he has to go to home depot. The CL leaves shorty thereafter.

So, most people believe the crime to have occurred between 10am- 12 pm. As far as any repairs or cleanup- well some of that could have occurred later that evening.

We also don't know how solid the 10am call was. If it is ever decided that the call isn't legit- well that is a whole new ballgame.

These times are just roundabout, I think in zwie's sig line there are some links with some more accurate info. Anyone can jump in and correct me-- I was just going from the top of my head.

Wow, not a lot to go on, it sounds like you guys are taking the right approach to searching though - has any actual ground searching been done in those areas?

 

[Grainne Dhu]

I'm still getting up to speed - assuming it was a "DIY" job - what sort of window did the SiL have to dump the evidence, time-wise and is it known what type of vehicle he might have used?

Bob disappeared within a 2 hour window. The Placentia PD has said that he was on the phone with someone outside the family at approximately 10 am. The cleaning lady (CL) arrived at about noon and waited outside the house until about 12:15 pm when JeM (the son-in-law) showed up.

The CL left at about 3 pm and then nothing until about 8 pm California time when the family notified Fontelle that Bob was missing.

JeM had a Honda Ridgeline pickup truck at the time. It's an interesting truck because the back of the bed has a recessed rectangular trunk-like space with a drain which is intended for things like tailgating. There are multiple videos on Youtube showing people of various sizes putting themselves into that space which proves to my satisfaction that a man of about 5'10" and 150 pounds could easily be fit into that space, particularly if he were not conscious at the time.

That truck was taken for forensic processing and nothing was found but it wasn't processed for quite a long time (a couple weeks, as I recall). It seems to me that a person could run hundreds or thousands of gallons through that recessed space if given even two days to do so. Wash a relatively limited smooth surfaced area with enough water and there won't be anything left to find.

 

[zwiebel]

Wow, not a lot to go on, it sounds like you guys are taking the right approach to searching though - has any actual ground searching been done in those areas?

Any particular areas you are thinking of?......though you might be better off posting them in the SAR thread, if you have any in mind.

 

[DzrtAsp]

Bob disappeared within a 2 hour window. The Placentia PD has said that he was on the phone with someone outside the family at approximately 10 am. The cleaning lady (CL) arrived at about noon and waited outside the house until about 12:15 pm when JeM (the son-in-law) showed up.

The CL left at about 3 pm and then nothing until about 8 pm California time when the family notified Fontelle that Bob was missing.

JeM had a Honda Ridgeline pickup truck at the time. It's an interesting truck because the back of the bed has a recessed rectangular trunk-like space with a drain which is intended for things like tailgating. There are multiple videos on Youtube showing people of various sizes putting themselves into that space which proves to my satisfaction that a man of about 5'10" and 150 pounds could easily be fit into that space, particularly if he were not conscious at the time.

That truck was taken for forensic processing and nothing was found but it wasn't processed for quite a long time (a couple weeks, as I recall). It seems to me that a person could run hundreds or thousands of gallons through that recessed space if given even two days to do so. Wash a relatively limited smooth surfaced area with enough water and there won't be anything left to find.

I'm no forensic expert, but that seems like it would be plenty of time to scrub a vehicle clean, especially if there was little/no blood involved - I don't say it can conclusively ruled out as a transport vehicle. I was interested in seeing how capable it was in terms of terrain, it looks like it could handle normal semi-maintained dirt roads with ease and wouldn't look out of place traveling on one. I wonder if it looked dirty/dusty on the day he went missing...

 

[DzrtAsp]

Any particular areas you are thinking of?......though you might be better off posting them in the SAR thread, if you have any in mind.

Yes, but just "generic" sites where bodies are frequently found - I'll post the specifics in the SAR thread.

 

[zwiebel]

Quite a few bodies have been turning up around Highlands, in the area where that Lowes Store I linked earlier was located.

ETA 27847 Greenspot road

 

[believe09]

I have no links, but I am fairly convinced that Monrovia PD have confirmed that their missing person policy was in place when RB worked there, and it did not involve having to wait 48 hours to report someone missing.

Besides that anyway, if my loved one went missing and I thought the rules forbade me from reporting it, I would call in every contact I had. RB stated in an article that she felt 'helpless', whereas in fact it seems as though she might have been better placed to enlist help than anyone else in the family.

Yup.. If you wanted to find your missing loved one you would do that. You would bring every resource to bear. There is a 50K reward floating around now-it was offered 2 years later, but no matter. Maybe they will increase it and remove the family restriction clause from the reward.

 

[DzrtAsp]

Quite a few bodies have been turning up around Highlands, in the area where that Lowes Store I linked earlier was located.

ETA 27847 Greenspot road

That doesn't surprise me given the skyrocketing homicide rate in San Bernardino, probably worth taking a look at.

 

[Cubby]

OK, admitting that I'm a hopeless n00b, here's my theory:

The SiL was merely an on-site coordinator and clean-up crew for a premeditated act:

At a carefully-determined time, an unidentified ("professional"?) third party swooped in, overpowered the victim, bundled him into a waiting vehicle, and took off. Total time: 5 minutes.

SiL returns to house to clean up any scant residual evidence (eg signs of a struggle) and that's the end of it. This may also explain the unusually long amount of time the SiL spent upstairs that Agnes ("the cleaning lady") reported.

According to this theory, Mr. Harrod could have ended up just about anywhere.

Anything here that doesn't fit the known facts?

Welcome to WS, DzrtAsp! :welcome:

Back to catch up reading....

 

[Cubby]

One of the most noticeable gaps in all the info gaps regarding Bob's disappearance, is where everybody close to him was. They've never said publically. It's strange.

Except Mrs Harrod of course. She was thousands of miles away in Mo.

Bingo!! :goodpost:

 

[Cubby]

thought on 'professional'....in general ..why would 'greedy' spend $$ on something that could very well be accomplished themselves, without a throwing a possible uncontrolled rat in the mix

Not caught up yet.... Using your post as a springboard, sre'.

LE has ruled out Bob met foul play at the hands of a stranger. (I forget the source, it is around here somewhere in one of the threads.)

As far as a '3rd party', I have always wondered if Bob's grandson AH, arrived prior to his dad/sil's arrival, and sil cleaned up 'a mess' left by his son that was more than just a financial mess.

Interestingly, it has never been made known exactly where Bob's grandson was the morning of his grandfathers disappearance.

(back to catching up)

 

[Cubby]

RB's job with the Monrovia PD certainly set a new lot of speculation going in my mind.

I do agree that as greedy as Bob's daughters appear to be, it's hard for me to believe they'd spend money. On the other hand, they are of a background where hiring a professional to render professional services is the accepted thing to do...

I think the explanation here is they were used to hiring a professional when those services were paid for by Bob. Bob's making the payment bridges the gap for me. (kind of like Bob's money is paying for the reward). I doubt any of them would have used professional services if Bob were not paying for them.