CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #18

[Snoop Sister]

Gee, that is the first time I have read the poison pen letter. Truly venomous.
Only once does Roberta refer to Mr. Harrod as her Father. Cold.
Since at least my early 20's as my parents were starting to travel more (separate planes, just in case) they made it a point that my brothers and I be apprised of their wills, wishes, directives. Unfathomable to me that these 3 witches had no clue that one parent would inherit from the other.
Old enough to know better, too selfish to see straight.
BTW, I have not seen or heard from Tex in ages. I am not hanging out where he used to, either.
I have heard that he is still alive though!!!

BBM. Lol

 

[here]

Andrew Harrod deposition:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Documents-No-discussion&p=8049174#post8049174

It takes several minutes to upload. It's worth the wait. It is within this document Andrew refers to his mortgage being forgiven upon his grandfather's death.

His grandfather is "missing". He should have continued paying his mortgage.

 

[Snoop Sister]

But I think AH came to the same conclusion as the posters on here in thread one...that the grandfather had met with fowl play. And, since his mortgage was to be forgiven upon his grandfather's death didn't bother to pay it. Perhaps, AH thought his grandfather's remains would have turned up sooner rather than not at all.

 

[here]

I was thinking you'd need a death certificate to get the mortgage forgiven.

 

[Angelo]

Andrew Harrod deposition:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Documents-No-discussion&p=8049174#post8049174

It takes several minutes to upload. It's worth the wait. It is within this document Andrew refers to his mortgage being forgiven upon his grandfather's death.

There were no documents showing AH's loan was to be forgiven upon Mr. Harrod's death. Just AH's say-so. Interesting that Mr. Harrod disappeared at the end of July 2009 and AH did not pay his August 2009 mortgage payment. AH must have been confident Mr. Harrod was never going to return.

 

[suzyq211]

I was thinking you'd need a death certificate to get the mortgage forgiven.

You would think...unfortunately (or fortunately for AH) there was nothing in writing so who needs a death certificate?

 

[Snoop Sister]

You would think...unfortunately (or fortunately for AH) there was nothing in writing so who needs a death certificate?

True....

 

[Snoop Sister]

Good Morning Sleuthers-5 years ago today JuM was about to set in motion a change of direction for this case that would dog her husband for the last 5 years.

Here is what I think-if it hadn't been for the family meeting on 7/26, on this day 5 years ago Bob would have completed his To Do list and would have been eagerly anticipating the return of his bride. The work around the house would have been completed. The bathroom would have been unchanged. There would have been no loan forgiveness.

JMVHO.

From when I began reading about Robert Harrod's disappearance on thread one, I suspected the SIL without any doubts in my mind. The daughter(s) were in my opinion involved after the fact. I think a altercation broke between SIL and Bob as a result of his plans to include FH in his finances such as his bank accounts and trusts and other assets. Bob had a previous altercation with SIL (as noted and linked on this forum) when his daughters were writing a letter to Bob's lawyer because he had not provided paperwork in regards to their mother's will. Bob may have believed SIL was behind that letter writing and perhaps behind the daughters demands at the meeting the day before Bob went missing. I think the altercation progressed to the point where Bob was murdered (jmoo). I agree if it weren't for the family meeting held the day before, Bob would be alive today.

 

[Cubby]

There were no documents showing AH's loan was to be forgiven upon Mr. Harrod's death. Just AH's say-so. Interesting that Mr. Harrod disappeared at the end of July 2009 and AH did not pay his August 2009 mortgage payment. AH must have been confident Mr. Harrod was never going to return.

True. I still find it rather interesting that AH's mom publicly posted 'we' suspect foul play while she was changing the mismatched sheets at Bob's home following his 'disappearance', and AH stopped paying his mortgage immediately and stumbled upon the words about his grandfathers death. Add in LE's mention of JeM's comment about Bob becoming ill and it becomes pretty apparent the three of them knew Bob was not coming back the same week he disappeared.

What I'd like to know is who was feeding Roberta information that led to the suspicion she described in the poison pen letter. Paula did his taxes so she knew of his spending, at least through taxes for 2008.

Did AH or his mom manipulate the rest of the family members into this whole mess? For me the answer to that question is a toss up.

 

[suzyq211]

True. I still find it rather interesting that AH's mom publicly posted 'we' suspect foul play while she was changing the mismatched sheets at Bob's home following his 'disappearance', and AH stopped paying his mortgage immediately and stumbled upon the words about his grandfathers death. Add in LE's mention of JeM's comment about Bob becoming ill and it becomes pretty apparent the three of them knew Bob was not coming back the same week he disappeared.

What I'd like to know is who was feeding Roberta information that led to the suspicion she described in the poison pen letter. Paula did his taxes so she knew of his spending, at least through taxes for 2008.

Did AH or his mom manipulate the rest of the family members into this whole mess? For me the answer to that question is a toss up.

BBM

I have to wonder if the idea of throwing suspicion on the BL had already started forming by that time. Just in case the "dementia- induced wandering away" or the "cold feet" didn't quite work out.

 

[Simply Caustic]

I'm not well-versed enough on this case, to come to any conclusions regarding what happened to Bob. There's so much seemingly suspicious activity around his final days (before disappearance) that I can't make heads or tails of it.

But, it appears to me strikingly odd, that his kids had involved his attorney, in the hopes of obtaining their mother's will. It seems inappropriate but perhaps I'm overlooking something.
Anyone know why they would take such a drastic step? Were they afraid at sharing his considerable wealth with his new wife?

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[Angelo]

BBM

I have to wonder if the idea of throwing suspicion on the BL had already started forming by that time. Just in case the "dementia- induced wandering away" or the "cold feet" didn't quite work out.

I have attached the police report. JeM was throwing suspicion on to the hairdresser as early as the day of Mr. Harrod's disappearance.

JeM claimed to have seen a mysterious black Tahoe performing suspicious maneuvers on Mr. Harrod's road shortly before Mr. Harrod disappeared.

We know the hairdresser owned a black Tahoe at the time of Mr. Harrod's disappearance, but the hairdresser has an airtight alibi and has been cleared by PPD.

IMO, JeM was not being truthful about his black Tahoe sighting.

 

[Opie]

Simply caustic,
I do believe your final sentence is the answer to why Bob Harrod is missing and presumably deceased.

MOO, JMO and all that.

 

[Jmoose]

I believe myself, that Mrs Harrod was put in a very precarious position, and not just financially. I don't know but I always presumed that being in her 70s, she was already retired. She gave up her home in MO and possessions in MO, gave up her extended family support system there, paid the cost of shipping things back to California.....

Then found herself alone in a very expensive county, having to fight legal battles with Bob's daughters for her right to stay and wait for Bob in her marital home, and her right to receive any allowance at all from her own husband's large fortune.

And she came under fierce and unrelenting attack from certain people, who even tried to imply she'd somehow disappeared Bob for his money - before he'd had a chance to include her in his will or accounts!

It's not evidence of foul play, of course. But it is indicative of how far some people will go when money's at stake, in my opinion.

You would think...unfortunately (or fortunately for AH) there was nothing in writing so who needs a death certificate?

Maybe nobody in that family needs a death certificate-but why would the sisters who aren't his (Andrew's) mother not want him to repay the estate? Let's say that nobody in the family was responsible for Bob's death-why then should the estate be diminished by the remaining mortgage payments? Why would any of the sisters besides his mother not want him to repay the mortgage loan? I mean, really!

 

[Snoop Sister]

But I think AH came to the same conclusion as the posters on here in thread one...that the grandfather had met with fowl play. And, since his mortgage was to be forgiven upon his grandfather's death didn't bother to pay it. Perhaps, AH thought his grandfather's remains would have turned up sooner rather than not at all.

I am almost finished thread 9 now and trying to catch up. As a result of reading thread 9, I certainly rescind my above post. AH is just another one plotting and planning to rip off RH's money. Probably in conjunction with the sisters and his father. Disgusting!

Perhaps, AH has something over his aunts, mother and father and that is why he is not repaying the mortgage loan. Could it be "quiet" money? Thoughts?

 

[travelbug]

I am almost finished thread 9 now and trying to catch up. As a result of reading thread 9, I certainly rescind my above post. AH is just another one plotting and planning to rip off RH's money. Probably in conjunction with the sisters and his father. Disgusting!

Perhaps, AH has something over his aunts, mother and father and that is why he is not repaying the mortgage loan. Could it be "quiet" money? Thoughts?

BBM That has always been my thought. AH and his wife appeared to be the only family members who actually cared about Bob and we know that his grandfather treated him quite well. I wouldn't be surprised if the sisters were quite bitter about that. AH is a bright guy and I think he quickly assessed the situation between his grandfather and the 3 sisters following the hostile meeting. He did mention to LE that there had been an argument at the family meeting when they came over to do the welfare check. I'll bet he caught holy heck from the family for saying that. I think the mortgage money was the price he set for his silence. I have always hoped that his wife would crack under pressure and talk to LE about what happened.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

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BBM That has always been my thought. AH and his wife appeared to be the only family members who actually cared about Bob and we know that his grandfather treated him quite well. I wouldn't be surprised if the sisters were quite bitter about that. AH is a bright guy and I think he quickly assessed the situation between his grandfather and the 3 sisters following the hostile meeting. He did mention to LE that there had been an argument at the family meeting when they came over to do the welfare check. I'll bet he caught holy heck from the family for saying that. I think the mortgage money was the price he set for his silence. I have always hoped that his wife would crack under pressure and talk to LE about what happened.

I'll bet he did too, judging by this slightly heated denial, which ended up reflecting poorly on the denier, in my opinion. It hardly seemed necessary to disparage missing Bob Harrod's character at the same time.


'Bob Harrod and his three daughters had an argument over finances the Sunday before he vanished.
His daughter, Roberta, acknowledged the exchange, saying her father lost his temper. She said he had failed to provide copies of their mother's will, which he was obligated to do because of the financial mechanisms set up by the estate.
"It wasn't a heated meeting," she said in a phone interview. "Dad got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them." '

http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/harrod-bob-police-2598739-fontelle-michaels

 

[Cubby]

RB and PB were foreclosing on AH's home. He gave it back to the trust. I wouldn't exactly call that a cost to stay silent. I actually think someone has something on AH. Otherwise, he would have never agreed to give the house back.

As for throwing the hairdresser under the bus. If they really believed that, there was no reason to keep what Jeff was doing between 10 am and noon what a secret. The BL was a bone thrown out for distraction, and for awhile it worked-to distract that is. It kept the focus off the last person to see Bob alive. I have to ask myself, why would the sisters work so hard to distract from the final moments Bob was last seen?

 

[zwiebel]

I saw a post somewhere from someone claiming to be Bob's middle daughter Roberta, that she never even asked her brother-in-law about Bob's disappearance, as she didn't think it necessary.

That's only rumor though, as it's not verified. Although myself, I'm confident it is her.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I thought I had read in the beginning threads that Bob's car keys were missing but his house key was found still in the house the day he went missing. I have tried to find that post and can't and it is not in the copious notes that I have made. Does any one remember that post or am I imaging things?

Also, I have tried to buy the Disappearance episode and I can't as it is not available in Canada. Anyway, I am hurrying to get caught up...almost through thread 10.