CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #18

[zwiebel]

A 49 year old man has been kidnapped from Placentia and was eventually rescued from a residence in Yorba Linda. In relation to what happened to Bob, that's interesting maybe?

I'll wait until there is more news though. I feel the kidnappers and victim may have known each other in this case.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/genera...-abducted-in-placentia-rescued-in-yorba-linda

 

[zwiebel]

There is a vigil in San Bernardino tonight, in memory of victims of crime. DA Michael Ramos will be there.

It would be so nice if someone was there in memory of Bob too, as he's almost certainly a victim of crime. And SB really isn't that far from Placentia at all.

http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/2...lice-holding-vigil-in-memory-of-crime-victims

 

[zwiebel]

I've done it again. I just wrote an outraged post about WTH is going on with homicides in OC.....then finally noticed the clue is in the word ORLANDO.

Phew. It's not Bob's OC.

Nevertheless, it's not good news for Florida, having what looks like an unsolved homicide epidemic in the first few months of the year.....

http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79846422/

 

[zwiebel]

There was also a lovely ceremony for homicide victims Sunday, in Bob's long-term, previous residence of Monrovia. I wonder if anyone represented Bob there?

http://www.monroviaweekly.com/curre...e-for-homicide-30th-victims-memorial-april-6/

 

[Cubby]

There was also a lovely ceremony for homicide victims Sunday, in Bob's long-term, previous residence of Monrovia. I wonder if anyone represented Bob there?

http://www.monroviaweekly.com/curre...e-for-homicide-30th-victims-memorial-april-6/

The key here is the word - honor. The only family member who has honored Bob since his disappearance is his wife, Fontelle. I don't think it would be easy for her to get to Monrovia as I don't think she drives.

It would be nice to know someone who knew Bob was there, maybe an old friend through the Masons? Someone who could be there without fear of retaliation.

I get so mad sometimes at the selfishness of the coward who disappeared Bob. It's time they reap what they sowed.

 

[zwiebel]

A skull has been found beneath a house in Desert Hot Springs. It's close enough to Placentia, but found beneath a home makes me think the person may have died in the same home, not come from outside.

What do people think?

http://blog.pe.com/breaking-news/2014/04/07/desert-hot-springs-human-skull-found-beneath-house/

 

[zwiebel]

An autopsy was due Tuesday, but I can't imagine any identification was made then?

 

[zwiebel]

Well, this link has a little more info about the skull found, and anyone with information should call Investigator Freeman on: 760-393-3530.

But it also mentions more remains, found near Cabazon. I don't think we knew about those, did we? It's sad to have all these discarded remains just turning up. Sadder still if they remain unfound though...

http://www.kesq.com/news/human-skull-found-under-desert-hot-springs-home/25377066

 

[zwiebel]

It looks close to where the skull was found to me. Could both sets of remains belong to the same person?

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2014/04/06/cabazon-human-remains-sheriffs/7377025/

 

[zwiebel]

The remains were found about 30 miles away from each other.

 

[Cubby]

I wish they mentioned more about the work being done on the house. Was it a house that is occupied? Or long since vacant? My first question is could the skull have been carried there by an animal? If the animal had access to getting under the house.

It seems we've seen remains found in or near Cabazon a few times, but not this most recent find last Friday.

 

[zwiebel]

I'll search for any more info because I agree that it could be very different depending on if it was an occupied or abandoned house. I think there have been a few cases where homeless people have taken shelter in deserted houses - even crawl spaces in occupied ones - and then expired.

I kind of get the feeling this one may turn out to be supicious though, somehow.

Thank heavens whoever found it notified LE. The recent case in the UK of a member of the public just taking bones home and only handing them in months later when police located the rest of the body, has really worried me. I hope people in CA are more responsible.

 

[zwiebel]

Ohmigosh.

For convoluted reasons to do with Bob, I was listening to speeches from Winston Churchill, about the US. He simply could not be stopped, paused or anything on one, despite the best efforts of Mr Z and I. We had to shut my computer down.! It was so funny - Mr Z walked away with suspicious stares at me, as though I'd set the whole thing up, when I'm as confounded as him!

 

[zwiebel]

Here's the sheriff's press release about the Cabazon Remains. Found in the 18500 block of Roberts Rd, S. Desert Hot Springs. Obviously, it's hard to tell from just a map I've attached but the houses look close together and it doesn't seem like there'd be many abandoned homes there.

Press release says two workmen discovered the skull, so I'm guessing it was in the process of being renovated...perhaps it had just been purchased by new owners?

http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/chu14-0407.asp

 

[zwiebel]

What I find strange - Roberts Rd is right on the edge of the desert. If someone was murdered in a home in that street, you'd think they would have been taken out and concealed in those sands.

I'm wondering if it could have been a homeless person, sheltering from the heat in a crawl space in an empty home up for sale, who expired. Or as Cubby suggested, an animal had made it's home there, and taken the remains there too. Perhaps having dug them up from the desert?

 

[zwiebel]

This article is mentioning that two sets of remains have been found in a short space of time, quite close. The previous ones were the remains found after the brush fire, I think, linked upthread.

I suppose they could be connected. Stranger things have happened.

http://www.943knews.com/common/page.php?feed=22&id=70391

 

[zwiebel]

Gosh, what is it, a dumping ground there?

At least this person was identified. It's a shame though - he was reported missing 2009 and found the same year, but not identified until 2013.

http://www.kesq.com/news/remains-found-in-dhs-in-2009-finally-identified/21563400

 

[zwiebel]

Presser today about suspected serial killers in OC. Targets are women though, not men.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/women-609655-anaya-police.html

gitana's started a thread, if people are interested: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241088&highlight=martha+anaya

 

[zwiebel]

The OC Register launches the Los Angeles Register Wednesday. it looks like there will only be a print version, so I won't get to see it. It will be interesting though, especially to see how the LA Times responds.

From the point of view of victims of crime, both the OC Reg and LA Times have been good at not only covering the facts about cases, but also producing much more emotive, almost 'opinion' pieces on them too.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/angeles-609588-register-news.html

 

[zwiebel]

I just wished a little while ago that serious crimes would stop happening in OC, so there would be more resources to find long term missing - specifically long term missing. Ans specifically one, long term missing person.

And now it's been confirmed, (with charges) that two suspected serial killers may have been operating there, there are at least four women still missing but may be more, and there may be crimes stretching back to 2012.

http://ktla.com/2014/04/15/accused-o-c-serial-killers-due-in-court-for-arraignment/

And the DA's office is caught up in lots of judicial processes (and none progression, ie, delays) over the trial for the Seal Beach killings.....

Still. Consoling myself that the way cold case investigations work, it seems unlikely anyone would be pulled off Bob's case to work on a more urgent one, and that things are rumbling slowly on.