CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 2

[Angelo]

What is she doing to find Bob? She has changed the locks on the house, so even if he returned, his keys wouldn't work.



Yes, it would. She is elderly and alone - for all intents and purposes. If she was your mother, wouldn't you want her nearby? It's not as if she's physically able to search for Bob.



I don't recall seeing that. Do you recall the source?

Had Fontelle been married once before or twice?

"Loomis said that though Fontelle's family isn't wealthy, they are solidly middle-class."

http://www.ocregister.com/news/-214111--.html

It was posted last year on IS that Fontelle received SS, a pension and her husband's pension every month.

 

[Angelo]

Fontelle may not be physically able to search for Mr. Harrod, but she is the one that agrees to be interviewed by the media. Fontelle also gave the police Paul's contact information.

If she had gone back to Mo. I don't believe there would have been any more media coverage after the initial coverage those first few weeks.

 

[Fairy1]

I don’t think it was necessarily planned by the family. I think something may have happened between the SIL and Bob that day, triggered by the recent events involving money given out, new marriage, argument with daughters. Things came to a head. IMO

I think then there was covering going on…it worked to their benefit anyway. IMO

Not everyone might know where he is…steps are taken to become co-conservators and co-trustees…that is the first order of business. Maybe after some time he will be found - if not, it’s just a matter of waiting 4 more years.

IMO - a SIL who was, by first account, a "great" guy, would not take it upon himself to murder the father of his wife and sisters-in-law. Considering the relationship it seems they had, that's just so unlikely to me.

 

[Cubby]

What is she doing to find Bob? She has changed the locks on the house, so even if he returned, his keys wouldn't work.



Yes, it would. She is elderly and alone - for all intents and purposes. If she was your mother, wouldn't you want her nearby? It's not as if she's physically able to search for Bob.



I don't recall seeing that. Do you recall the source?

Had Fontelle been married once before or twice?

Same OC register link posted a few times on this page.

Loomis said that though Fontelle's family isn't wealthy, they are solidly middle-class

If I may ask, how do you see Fontelle's number of marriages tying to the case?

 

[Fairy1]

Fontelle may not be physically able to search for Mr. Harrod, but she is the one that agrees to be interviewed by the media. Fontelle also gave the police Paul's contact information.

If she had gone back to Mo. I don't believe there would have been any more media coverage after the initial coverage those first few weeks.

I thought is was Paul that gave LE Paul's contact info????

Fontelle could make phone calls, send e-mails and conduct interviews from MO. She DOES NOT have to stay in Bob's home for that.

There's been plenty of media coverage - but it's all focused on the "love" story - not the missing man. IMO, it's been counter-productive.

 

[JulieR]

At this point Fontelle knows Bob is not going to be returning to that house. So why wait for the news that he has been found. She could return to her family, it kind of seems like she wants to make things hard for the family. Bob had a way of making his daughters angry, but that don't mean they didn't love him and he has many more years with them, then he did with Fontelle.

 

[believe09]

BBM
Especially since the hairdresser has made buddy buddy with her and has started to go over and visit with her.

Wow. How do you know this? Did I miss it on the threads?

TY for the link, DPM-I know that the distinction is subtle, but I agree with Cubby that Det Loomis is stating the status of the people involved with Bob differently. It would have been easy enough to simply state it the same way. Unless the reporter took some license with the interview.

Well, lets say he strolled off for a walk and had a stroke somewhere...could he have pitched into a drainage ditch, pond, abandoned house and been missed? Have there been physical searches for him? BRB, I will check and see....

 

[Fairy1]

Same OC register link posted a few times on this page.

Loomis said that though Fontelle's family isn't wealthy, they are solidly middle-class

If I may ask, how do you see Fontelle's number of marriages tying to the case?

I don't (necessarily) believe it's tied to the case. I'm just curious.

And I fail to see the importance of the financial status of Fontelle's family, unless they were supporting her financially. Which, actually, is something I'd love to know.

 

[believe09]

He took his keys and his wallet, but someone said he left his house key?

 

[Angelo]

What is she doing to find Bob? She has changed the locks on the house, so even if he returned, his keys wouldn't work.

Mr. Harrod will not be returning. If by some miracle he did, he could ring the doorbell or knock.

It was one of Mr. Harrod's daughters that suggested Fontelle change the locks.

 

[cloudajo]

IMO - a SIL who was, by first account, a "great" guy, would not take it upon himself to murder the father of his wife and sisters-in-law. Considering the relationship it seems they had, that's just so unlikely to me.

He very well could have been a great guy. That doesn’t mean he’s not capable. Some people crack under a stressful situation, and who knows what happened that day. He was the last to see Bob, Bob supposedly went missing in a ~20 minute window (not much time), I think something happened earlier, two daughters give an earlier time by hours (why?).

 

[Angelo]

I don’t think it was necessarily planned by the family. I think something may have happened between the SIL and Bob that day, triggered by the recent events involving money given out, new marriage, argument with daughters. Things came to a head. IMO

I think then there was covering going on…it worked to their benefit anyway. IMO

Not everyone might know where he is…steps are taken to become co-conservators and co-trustees…that is the first order of business. Maybe after some time he will be found - if not, it’s just a matter of waiting 4 more years.

Agree.

Nothing adds up. The changes in the timeline, the daughters posting on a forum instead of searching for their father, the hostility to Fontelle, the court filings......etc.

I also wonder if the SIL checked with any neighbors when Mr. Harrod still had not returned to his home at 6:00 pm on July 27.

If the SIL left at 2:40 to go to the hardware store, Mr. Harrod would be expecting two people to return to his house in a short time, the SIL and the housekeeper. Why would he go out?

After three hours did the SIL check with the neighbors to see if Mr. Harrod was there?

 

[Cubby]

Thinking outloud regarding SIL. (these are just random thoughts)

It makes sense he would have gone to CVS to get paper plates so they could both eat lunch at home, especially since Bob was having the house cleaned. Why make dirty dishes to be washed.......

LE has stated they know someone other than SIL spoke with Bob at 10am.
Does LE have SIL's timeline as solid (in other words his story matchs up or makes sense.... ) between 10am and the time he left at 2:30? Did the account for work done or chain of events fit?

 

[Fairy1]

Thinking outloud regarding SIL. (these are just random thoughts)

It makes sense he would have gone to CVS to get paper plates so they could both eat lunch at home, especially since Bob was having the house cleaned. Why make dirty dishes to be washed.......

LE has stated they know someone other than SIL spoke with Bob at 10am.
Does LE have SIL's timeline as solid (in other words his story matchs up or makes sense.... ) between 10am and the time he left at 2:30? Did the account for work done or chain of events fit?

We know LE has the phone records and we know there was a time-stamped receipt from the Home Depot. It's the in-between we do not know about. But LE does.

It concerns me that LE has not conducted more searches for Bob. Initially, I thought he may have gone for a short walk and fallen or fallen ill. But that's obviously not the case. Someone took him away from his home, IMO. I'm hopeful that whatever evidence they have will lead them to where Bob is. But it's been so long.

 

[Angelo]

Thinking outloud regarding SIL. (these are just random thoughts)

It makes sense he would have gone to CVS to get paper plates so they could both eat lunch at home, especially since Bob was having the house cleaned. Why make dirty dishes to be washed.......

LE has stated they know someone other than SIL spoke with Bob at 10am.
Does LE have SIL's timeline as solid (in other words his story matchs up or makes sense.... ) between 10am and the time he left at 2:30? Did the account for work done or chain of events fit?

As far as we know, the only thing that has been verified is the receipt from Home Depot stamped at 3:04 pm.

Nothing about the work at the house or what was bought at Home Depot has been released.

 

[cloudajo]

Wow. How do you know this? Did I miss it on the threads?

TY for the link, DPM-I know that the distinction is subtle, but I agree with Cubby that Det Loomis is stating the status of the people involved with Bob differently. It would have been easy enough to simply state it the same way. Unless the reporter took some license with the interview.

Well, lets say he strolled off for a walk and had a stroke somewhere...could he have pitched into a drainage ditch, pond, abandoned house and been missed? Have there been physical searches for him? BRB, I will check and see....

I could be wrong, but I don’t think much of anything was done as far as real, organized searches go. An article published on July 31, 2009 says the PPD “ramped up their search” on Thursday (July 30), then it said the PPD “canvassed the neighborhood.” The daughters posted at one point that the SIL put up fliers and daughter J posted at one point that she was going to put up fliers.

I’ve never seen anything published in any article that says there were any ground searches, use of dogs, etc.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/31/local/me-missing-groom31

 

[believe09]

I took a look at the residence listed as his last known on google maps-satellite. The records I found indicated the home had last been sold in Nov of 1999-so I hope I have the right location...522 Carnation?

There is a park and a golf course near by-I do not know if they are part of his regular stroll, but I assume because of proximity they have been checked? I realize LE got a late start because they believed initially that Bob had gotten cold feet regarding the arrival of his new bride.

If he left voluntarily, he left during the heat of the day...it was 85-89 degrees right? I wonder when he typically took a walk? Or if he was used to heat like that when he did? I have elders in my life who do their walking early in the am to avoid the heat of the day.

 

[Cubby]

FWIW - We do not know if Fontelle would stay in the CA home or move back to her family IF Bobs remains were found. For all we know she is staying there UNTIL he is found. The answer to whether she will decide to remain in CA home if he is found is yet to be seen.......

JMO

 

[Cubby]

We know LE has the phone records and we know there was a time-stamped receipt from the Home Depot. It's the in-between we do not know about. But LE does.

It concerns me that LE has not conducted more searches for Bob. Initially, I thought he may have gone for a short walk and fallen or fallen ill. But that's obviously not the case. Someone took him away from his home, IMO. I'm hopeful that whatever evidence they have will lead them to where Bob is. But it's been so long.

Think about searches... the vast area... isn't it only an hour or so drive to enormous areas which can stretch thousands of acres. Where would they start without evidence of where to look? Outside of the immediate area. Are their any retention ponds, rivers or bodies of water close by he may have fallen in which could be searched?

 

[Angelo]

FWIW - We do not know if Fontelle would stay in the CA home or move back to her family IF Bobs remains were found. For all we know she is staying there UNTIL he is found. The answer to whether she will decide to remain in CA home if he is found is yet to be seen.......

JMO

I always took this to mean she was staying until he was found.


"I want to find out who did this to him," she says. "I want whatever is left of him to take home."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2010985815_disappeared08.html