CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 9

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  • #381
Ok what have I missed here. I always thought that BH received one call at 10 am yet it states in this article the following:


"Harrod spoke to several people on his home telephone the day he disappeared. Police seized those phone records, and they aren't giving out the numbers to anyone."

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html
 
  • #382
Ok what have I missed here. I always thought that BH received one call at 10 am yet it states in this article the following:


"Harrod spoke to several people on his home telephone the day he disappeared. Police seized those phone records, and they aren't giving out the numbers to anyone."

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html


My understanding is the 10:00 am phone call is confirmation of the last time Mr. Harrod spoke to a non-family member.

Phone records may indicate calls connected after 10:00 am, but that can not confirm it was Mr. Harrod who actually took the call.
 
  • #383
My understanding is the 10:00 am phone call is confirmation of the last time Mr. Harrod spoke to a non-family member.

Phone records may indicate calls connected after 10:00 am, but that can not confirm it was Mr. Harrod who actually took the call.


Yes....Mr. Harrod's answering machine could have picked up. I wonder if daughter, JuM, checked the answering machine when she went DTH to "change the linens."
 
  • #384
I think perhaps the daughter(s) were threatened by dad's new relationship and wanted to stop the new bride from accessing dad's money, which they perceived as being their "due" upon his passing.

The only thing that puzzles me is why not leave a body to be found. But in this particular case, maybe they needed there not to be. Give them time to go through the courts and declare him dead, meanwhile allowing time for their attorneys to thwart any attempts to inherit by their new stepmom.

SBM

I think Gitana may have provided the answer as to why disappear Bob rather than leave his body to be found.

Gitana provided links to several articles, going back as far as 2005, outlining the extremely lax (to put it kindly) performance of the courts in overseeing conservators.

Under normal circumstances, an 81 year old man found dead at home would be assumed to be death via natural causes, so long as there were no overt evidence of violence. There wouldn't even be an autopsy, if it looked as though he died in his sleep (for example). The number of autopsies done has dropped steadily since the 1970s and it's now done in less than 10% of all deaths.

However, the next of kin can always request an autopsy. And with Bob's marriage, his next of kin was no longer his eldest daughter, it was his wife, Fontelle.

Uh oh. They could not be certain that Fontelle would just accept that Bob had died of natural causes, could they?

If the medical examiner ruled the death was homicide (death caused by another human being), that could tie Bob's estate up for a long, long time. No conservatorship would be assigned.

However, if someone happened to read the series in the Los Angeles Times that Gitana cited or decided to do a little research when s/he felt financially threatened by an unexpected December marriage, then it would be clear that getting a conservatorship would be, in many ways, just as good as inheriting outright.

No, the estate couldn't be divided up and the heirs would not have that large bulk sum each to spend but a conservatorship could maintain or even improve the status quo.

There were lots of good reasons for Bob to disappear versus for Bob to be found by his housekeeper seemingly dead of natural causes.

Personally, I think the housekeeper's appearance that day was an unpleasant surprise. I think the plan was for her to come on Tuesday, her usual day, and notify the family that Bob was missing. No need for JeM to have to provide any alibi at all because no one would have known he was there the previous day.

It's a theory.
 
  • #385
Has anyone here looked into Fontelle's/her family's court actions in regards to the estate? I'd be interested to know what they were, and the current status. Surely, if I was in Fontelle's shoes, I would seek legal representation, so I certainly would not fault Fontelle for pursuing her legal rights as Bob's wife (presumed widow).
 
  • #386
Bob.
Robert.
Mr Harrod.

It’s almost three years since you disappeared.
It was late July 2009.

You were getting your house ready for your new bride.
She had returned to Missouri to pack and get ready for a future
with you in California.

Your son in law was over that day. It has been said that he was there to
make minor repairs on the house.
You talked to family that morning.
The housekeeper was coming that afternoon.

But sometime after 11:30am, no one except your son in law heard
from you again.

In my very personal opinion, you are not missing, you are dead.
IMO:
I think tempers flared that hot day in July 2009.
I don’t think anything was pre planned.
I think you were shoved. I think you fell and hit your head.
I think you were scared.
I think you died scared and alone and bleeding.
I think there was damage inside the house.
I think there was forensic evidence found inside the house.

I think that one person caused your death.
And that person will come to justice
for you:
Bob.
Robert.
Mr Harrod.
 
  • #387
So good to see you posting, Dreamweaver! I think of you almost everyday and pray for you often.

I agree with your post. I too think Mr. Harrod was shoved causing a fall which resulted in a head injury. I'm uncertain if there was any blood and have considered a closed head injury. I am convinced the secret handy man job's where done to cover up a crime scene.

I also agree with Grainne's post the plan was for the housekeeper to find Mr. Harrod missing on Tuesday, her usual day.

If daughters P & R truly wanted answers they would point blank ask their BIL. IMO, the attacks/treatment/retaliation/animoysity against Mrs. Harrod and the hair dresser are nothing more than diversionary tactics they desperately cling to in order to avoid the truth.

If SIL truly had no involvement, he wouldn't purposely avoid clearing himself deciding to remain under the spotlight in order to keep LE barking up the wrong tree almost 3 years later.

The truth will come out and Mr. Harrod will receive the justice he deserves.
 
  • #388
My understanding is the 10:00 am phone call is confirmation of the last time Mr. Harrod spoke to a non-family member.

Phone records may indicate calls connected after 10:00 am, but that can not confirm it was Mr. Harrod who actually took the call.

Are we absolutely certain that no one outside of the family spoke to him after the 10 am phone call?

That sentence kinda hit me in the gut as I as well always believed that 10 am was the last known outside contact. Maybe it was not though.
 
  • #389
I think the around 10AM phone call was the last known contact. I firmly believe that, fwiw.
 
  • #390
I feel it was very possible that Mr. Harrod was lured away from his home under false pretenses. Perhaps a relative called and said, "So and so is on his way to get you, there's been an accident..." (or some such excuse as that). This would cause Mr. Harrod to rise, dress quickly, take his keys and wallet....no time for making the bed. This would also keep the home clean of any physical evidence or forensics related to Mr. Harrod's imminent demise.

So and so picks up Mr. Harrod and takes him to a secluded location and harms him.
 
  • #391
Two women in Bob's life, the housekeeper and his youngest daughter JuM.

Interesting to note the difference in eye contact and facial expression between the two on the only video we currently have available of them in regards to Bob's case.

Video #1, Bob's youngest daughter JuM interviewed in his home the day following his disappearance:

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=ac85bbd7-919c-45df-8bff-de9407f59354&src=front

Video #2, Bob's housekeeper A, taped for a future airing of Bob's case on Discovery ID's Disappeared:

http://investigation.discovery.com/videos/disappeared-sign-of-trouble.html


Oh good grief. I finally watched with sound. I wasn't expecting the high pitched valley girl voice. She's lying through her teeth, imo. Barf out, gag me with a spoon, gross. She sounds just like that movie.

Ask your husband what happened to your dad, if you haven't already. He holds the answers.

ETA: I didn't want to stay on the computer where I was at long. But yes, she's scared. She's scared because no one expected the housekeeper to show up and that threw a wrench in whatever was planned. She should be scared because at some point LE is going to solve this case and she isn't going to come out smelling like a rose. Nor will her husband or son.
 
  • #392
Has anyone here looked into Fontelle's/her family's court actions in regards to the estate? I'd be interested to know what they were, and the current status. Surely, if I was in Fontelle's shoes, I would seek legal representation, so I certainly would not fault Fontelle for pursuing her legal rights as Bob's wife (presumed widow).


Cazzie,
Fontelle was in California a very short amount a time before she hired a civil litigation attorney. In all probability she should have hired a family law attorney. This matter had to do with a domestic-family related issue, but she went ahead and hired a civil litigation attorney and we all know that Civil litigation is a legal dispute between two or more parties that seek money damages. I have looked back through the threads and I can't find the exact amount but I'm pretty sure she was awarded approximately $5,000.00 a month in spousal support and definitely awarded the house and car. All she had to do was keep up the utilities and she wouldn't even do that. She took the daughters back to court because they were withholding monies for utililities and upkeep that she was ordered to pay per the courts. It makes me so sad to read of the greed of the daughters here yet there is so much more greed that we are not to speak of.
 
  • #393
Bob.
Robert.
Mr Harrod.

It’s almost three years since you disappeared.
It was late July 2009.

You were getting your house ready for your new bride.
She had returned to Missouri to pack and get ready for a future
with you in California.

Your son in law was over that day. It has been said that he was there to
make minor repairs on the house.
You talked to family that morning.
The housekeeper was coming that afternoon.

But sometime after 11:30am, no one except your son in law heard
from you again.

In my very personal opinion, you are not missing, you are dead.
IMO:
I think tempers flared that hot day in July 2009.
I don’t think anything was pre planned.
I think you were shoved. I think you fell and hit your head.
I think you were scared.
I think you died scared and alone and bleeding.
I think there was damage inside the house.
I think there was forensic evidence found inside the house.

I think that one person caused your death.
And that person will come to justice
for you:
Bob.
Robert.
Mr Harrod.

Great to see you back Dreamweaver!

"At times our own light goes out and is rekindled by a spark from another person. Each of us has cause to think with deep gratitude of those who have lighted the flame within us."

Thank-you for always sharing your Light!!
 
  • #394
Bob.
Robert.
Mr Harrod.

It’s almost three years since you disappeared.
It was late July 2009.

You were getting your house ready for your new bride.
She had returned to Missouri to pack and get ready for a future
with you in California.

Your son in law was over that day. It has been said that he was there to
make minor repairs on the house.
You talked to family that morning.
The housekeeper was coming that afternoon.

But sometime after 11:30am, no one except your son in law heard
from you again.

In my very personal opinion, you are not missing, you are dead.
IMO:
I think tempers flared that hot day in July 2009.
I don’t think anything was pre planned.
I think you were shoved. I think you fell and hit your head.
I think you were scared.
I think you died scared and alone and bleeding.
I think there was damage inside the house.
I think there was forensic evidence found inside the house.

I think that one person caused your death.
And that person will come to justice
for you:
Bob.
Robert.
Mr Harrod.

Dreamweaver - so wonderful to have you back! We missed you. :blowkiss:
 
  • #395
You know, we have so many newer folks...all of these documents are public information...that is my understanding. Especially the trial minutes. What if we do another FOIA request? What would everyone be most interested in seeing?

Thanks. BBM. If they exist, any depositions made by Bob's daughters, SIL, and/or grandson.
 
  • #396
I feel it was very possible that Mr. Harrod was lured away from his home under false pretenses. Perhaps a relative called and said, "So and so is on his way to get you, there's been an accident..." (or some such excuse as that). This would cause Mr. Harrod to rise, dress quickly, take his keys and wallet....no time for making the bed. This would also keep the home clean of any physical evidence or forensics related to Mr. Harrod's imminent demise.

So and so picks up Mr. Harrod and takes him to a secluded location and harms him.

Thanks. This is an interesting thought, however, in the Disappeared episode, it briefly shows JeM repairing a toilet. I'd be most interested in knowing whether the PPD was able to obtain any materials that JeM may have removed from Bob's house after those bathroom "repairs" and disposed of.

Also, I'd be interested in knowing whether JuM did any cleaning of same bathroom the day after Bob disappeared when she went down the hill to "change the linens" and what cleaning products she may have used.
 
  • #397
Has anyone here looked into Fontelle's/her family's court actions in regards to the estate? I'd be interested to know what they were, and the current status. Surely, if I was in Fontelle's shoes, I would seek legal representation, so I certainly would not fault Fontelle for pursuing her legal rights as Bob's wife (presumed widow).

FYI, some of the actions and terms of the settlement agreement are outlined starting on Page 20 of the court document at link below.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #5
 
  • #398
Cazzie,
Fontelle was in California a very short amount a time before she hired a civil litigation attorney. In all probability she should have hired a family law attorney. This matter had to do with a domestic-family related issue, but she went ahead and hired a civil litigation attorney and we all know that Civil litigation is a legal dispute between two or more parties that seek money damages. I have looked back through the threads and I can't find the exact amount but I'm pretty sure she was awarded approximately $5,000.00 a month in spousal support and definitely awarded the house and car. All she had to do was keep up the utilities and she wouldn't even do that. She took the daughters back to court because they were withholding monies for utililities and upkeep that she was ordered to pay per the courts. It makes me so sad to read of the greed of the daughters here yet there is so much more greed that we are not to speak of.

BBM above - according to court document at link below:


  • The award to Fontelle was $3,850 per month
  • Fontelle was awarded Bob's Toyota Camry
  • Fontelle was not awarded Bob's house
Starting on Page 20 of court document: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #5
 
  • #399
BBM above - according to court document at link below:


  • The award to Fontelle was $3,850 per month
  • Fontelle was awarded Bob's Toyota Camry
  • Fontelle was not awarded Bob's house
Starting on Page 20 of court document: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #5

Thank you for correcting me. Like I said, I wasn't completely sure that's why I said "approx". Still $3,850 for being married to someone less than a month is alot of money! Maybe she wasn't awarded the house but she has lived there (rent free) for almost 3 years now.
 
  • #400
Still $3,850 for being married to someone less than a month is alot of money!

RSBM --

Fontelle and Bob are still married, and she has nothing to do with the reason they are not currently together.
 
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