CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 9

[believe09]

yep yep yep, that is where all the dirt is going to be.

Gitana and I are still trying to put together whether or not JeM was PAID by the co conservators for the small projects from 7/27/09. Again, I kid you not. Checks were written and they were raised at the trial.

 

[Cubby]

Gitana and I are still trying to put together whether or not JeM was PAID by the co conservators for the small projects from 7/27/09. Again, I kid you not. Checks were written and they were raised at the trial.

Paid, as in hired hitman?

:thud:

 

[Cubby]

Happy 3rd wedding anniversary Mr and Mrs. Harrod.

I pray Bob will receive justice before the 4th.

Let's face it. It's pretty obvious Bob's adult daughters, grandson, and son in law are flaunting the fact they have yet to be held responsible in the face of those seeking answers. Their actions clearly indicate they think the courts and LE are one big joke. It's time these daughters, grandson and son in law are brought back to earth and held accountable for their actions.

I pray justice comes soon for Mr. Harrod.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Gitana and I are still trying to put together whether or not JeM was PAID by the co conservators for the small projects from 7/27/09. Again, I kid you not. Checks were written and they were raised at the trial.

I believe you. This is one of those "life is far stranger than fiction" cases.

Makes me wonder if JuM were ever convicted in criminal court, if she would plead for mercy because she's an orphan.

 

[tlcya]

Gitana and I are still trying to put together whether or not JeM was PAID by the co conservators for the small projects from 7/27/09. Again, I kid you not. Checks were written and they were raised at the trial.

:shakehead: why am I not surprised. Can't wait to delve into the docs. It is one thing to hear about teh transactions, another to see them for myself. This area is not foreign to me and I have a feeling I will be outraged once more once I have read the stuff.

 

[Opie]

Bumping this thread back to page 1.

 

[shana]

Gitana and I are still trying to put together whether or not JeM was PAID by the co conservators for the small projects from 7/27/09. Again, I kid you not. Checks were written and they were raised at the trial.

I assume you mean for his time/labor, or were these checks to reimburse him for material he purchased for the work?

I'd also want to know if checks were issued at later dates for repairs & maintenance of the house (trust asset).

Thanks again for all the work you and gitana are doing on the documents. I eagerly await their availability. Any idea when? I need to pencil-in a few days on my personal calendar in order to review them. <g>

~jmo~

 

[believe09]

I assume you mean for his time/labor, or were these checks to reimburse him for material he purchased for the work?

I'd also want to know if checks were issued at later dates for repairs & maintenance of the house (trust asset).

Thanks again for all the work you and gitana are doing on the documents. I eagerly await their availability. Any idea when? I need to pencil-in a few days on my personal calendar in order to review them. <g>

~jmo~

I cant even hazard a guess....we have to make sure we dont create server issues with WS as well. We are trying to make sure the docs are viewable by everyone with an interest....

 

[shana]

I cant even hazard a guess....we have to make sure we dont create server issues with WS as well. We are trying to make sure the docs are viewable by everyone with an interest....

I totally understand!

For the 4 Trusts in which I am currently involved, hard copies are no longer measured in inches, but are instead counted in feet. Opposing counsel does not provide copies in electronic format. Fortunately, my printer/scanner has a multi-page feeder and converts to PDF (universal format, searchable too).

Have you considered Cloud storage (free of course)?

One of the main reasons I am so interested in these docs is that filings from both sides can look like this sort of communication:

Side #1: --------------->
Side #2: ---------------<
Both sides: --------------->0<---------------

And neither the twain shall meet! It's as if they are talking two entirely different cases. A complete picture requires all sides to see and understand.

~jmo~

 

[Oriah]

Ah, Cloud!!

Have recently been spending a few days trying to organize with salesforce (just for the sake of database ease and control) and for exactly the reason you mention, shana.
It is so much easier when docs can be organized in this fashion!

I totally understand!

For the 4 Trusts in which I am currently involved, hard copies are no longer measured in inches, but are instead counted in feet. Opposing counsel does not provide copies in electronic format. Fortunately, my printer/scanner has a multi-page feeder and converts to PDF (universal format, searchable too).

Have you considered Cloud storage (free of course)?

One of the main reasons I am so interested in these docs is that filings from both sides can look like this sort of communication:

Side #1: --------------->
Side #2: ---------------<
Both sides: --------------->0<---------------

And neither the twain shall meet! It's as if they are talking two entirely different cases. A complete picture requires all sides to see and understand.

~jmo~

 

[suzyq211]

:bump:

Back to page one.

 

[Allusonz]

Absolutely-we have about 1000 pages to comb, organize and post...it is some very interesting reading. There have been a ton of filings in this case. I am most looking forward to getting opinions on the remaining trial transcripts, and the accounting that has been filed (or not filed) over the last two years.

Accounting for 2009 interests me most-this was prior to the legal appointment of the co conservators and after Bob disappeared. It will be interesting to see what happened to the accounts at that time and whether or not withdrawals were made in advance of any appointments. That is also where we will need gitana's guidance I suspect!

Lots of work but am very glad that you were able to obtain them!!!

I look forward to seeing what all is in there!!

 

[believe09]

OK, Straight up I am breaking a rule here at WS-I cant provide a link to this but someone sent it to me. It is a rant by one of the co conservators that was TOO GOOD not to share:

The reality is: that Civilian PIO Loomis has often quoted solely from Fontelle's point of view about our father and what happened to him. Loomis does not includes any opinion at all from those who really do know him, his sister, family, family friends of both of our parents, neighbors, etc. This has been a great disservice to our father.

Detective Radomski is well aware that even her own attorney has lied in writing to the police department. He is not impressed in the slightest.

Above and beyond anything else, trust assets have been Fontelle's legal team's primary focus as documented by each of their rarely truthful and/or rarely factual legal documents filed by them on her behalf. Their non-productive efforts to find our father do not extend beyond the constant harassement, intimidation, and attempted defamation of our family. Any depletion of trust assets has strictly been for necessary maintainance, management and protection of the trusts from exactly this purpose. It is highly documented. One person has benefited, in excess of $134K, from our father's status as a missing person, and that same person made absolutely Zero financial contribution to the family trust created by both Georgia and Robert Harrod.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

How many times a week do we think that Detective Radomski chats with the co conservators? Ballparks?

And naturally PPD's perspective is favorable to the person who is not related to the person last seen with Bob-that is a pretty simple equation imo. Especially if those who are related to the last person to see Bob have not cleared themselves the way, say, BL and her family did. Oh, and the family that Bob paid to stay away is the family that should be culled for information regarding him? Got it.

I think my all time favorite part of this rant is the statement that Mrs Harrod contributed zero to the Harrod Family Trust and that she is the only one who benefited.

Who. Is. She. Kidding.

The person who sent this to me made a comment-as if the co conservators regularly pay into the trusts, right?

I mean front and center in Andrew's depo was his irritation that the co conservators quit their jobs after Bob disappeared.

They dont work anymore. Are we supposed to believe that they had their own millions they are using to fund their retirement?

Mrs Harrod was given the stipend with the full support and agreement of the co conservators. Talk about sour grapes. I am willing to bet their take of their father's money has exceeded 134K. JMVHO.

Whoooo, that was a good one though. I needed the laugh.

 

[suzyq211]

I mean front and center in Andrew's depo was his irritation that the co conservators quit their jobs after Bob disappeared.

They dont work anymore. Are we supposed to believe that they had their own millions they are using to fund their retirement?

<respectfully snipped>

I believe that is one of the most TELLING facts in this whole awful saga! IMO they KNEW he was never coming back!

 

[GrainneDhu]

How many times a week do we think that Detective Radomski chats with the co conservators? Ballparks?

And naturally PPD's perspective is favorable to the person who is not related to the person last seen with Bob-that is a pretty simple equation imo. Especially if those who are related to the last person to see Bob have not cleared themselves the way, say, BL and her family did. Oh, and the family that Bob paid to stay away is the family that should be culled for information regarding him? Got it.

SBM

My guess is that the co-conservators, JuM, JeM and AH have all lawyered up quietly. No way are they talking to the PPD unless it is to give tips that throw suspicion on parties who have already been conclusively ruled out.

The lawyers for the three sisters would confiscate their keyboards if they had any idea what those women were posting online and in email. It would either be the keyboards or the lawyers would drop them, which says to me that their lawyers don't know about their clients online activities.

Bob didn't need to pay Fontelle a penny to have a relationship with him; she didn't contact him knowing he had done so well for himself. That must have been such a refreshing change for Bob from the behaviour of his own blood kin.

 

[cloudajo]

Their non-productive efforts to find our father do not extend beyond the constant harassement, intimidation, and attempted defamation of our family.

Snipped. I would think that four adults with no jobs could certainly get a lot done to raise awareness to find a missing loved one, if that was their intention. And her efforts have been what exactly? When was the last time she talked to her brother-in-law about what happened that day?

 

[believe09]

Snipped. I would think that four adults with no jobs could certainly get a lot done to raise awareness to find a missing loved one, if that was their intention. And her efforts have been what exactly? When was the last time she talked to her brother-in-law about what happened that day?

Or raised media awareness outside of a reward offered two years after the fact when leads and memories have faded? Reward with stipulation, mind you. No family can collect. That part still makes me laugh-as if finding Bob should be conditional. Just sayin.

 

[Oriah]

OK, Straight up I am breaking a rule here at WS-I cant provide a link to this but someone sent it to me. It is a rant by one of the co conservators that was TOO GOOD not to share:




:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

How many times a week do we think that Detective Radomski chats with the co conservators? Ballparks?

And naturally PPD's perspective is favorable to the person who is not related to the person last seen with Bob-that is a pretty simple equation imo. Especially if those who are related to the last person to see Bob have not cleared themselves the way, say, BL and her family did. Oh, and the family that Bob paid to stay away is the family that should be culled for information regarding him? Got it.

I think my all time favorite part of this rant is the statement that Mrs Harrod contributed zero to the Harrod Family Trust and that she is the only one who benefited.

Who. Is. She. Kidding.

The person who sent this to me made a comment-as if the co conservators regularly pay into the trusts, right?

I mean front and center in Andrew's depo was his irritation that the co conservators quit their jobs after Bob disappeared.

They dont work anymore. Are we supposed to believe that they had their own millions they are using to fund their retirement?

Mrs Harrod was given the stipend with the full support and agreement of the co conservators. Talk about sour grapes. I am willing to bet their take of their father's money has exceeded 134K. JMVHO.

Whoooo, that was a good one though. I needed the laugh.

Somehow I imagine Det. Radomski is too exhausted by the absurdity going on to even want to pick up his phone when it rings, much less make outgoing calls to anyone. But maybe that's just me. :banghead:

 

[believe09]

SBM

My guess is that the co-conservators, JuM, JeM and AH have all lawyered up quietly. No way are they talking to the PPD unless it is to give tips that throw suspicion on parties who have already been conclusively ruled out.

The lawyers for the three sisters would confiscate their keyboards if they had any idea what those women were posting online and in email. It would either be the keyboards or the lawyers would drop them, which says to me that their lawyers don't know about their clients online activities.

Bob didn't need to pay Fontelle a penny to have a relationship with him; she didn't contact him knowing he had done so well for himself. That must have been such a refreshing change for Bob from the behaviour of his own blood kin.

It is interesting you bring this up-RB's attorneys had NO IDEA of the existence of the poison pen letter mailed by RB to her father's attorney just 10 days before he disappeared. They argued vigorously to keep it out. You will see that in the trial minutes, but it was interesting to me. The judge admitted it, which I also found extremely interesting. Speaks to motive. That is why Mrs Harrod's attorney wanted it included.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Or raised media awareness outside of a reward offered two years after the fact when leads and memories have faded? Reward with stipulation, mind you. No family can collect. That part still makes me laugh-as if finding Bob should be conditional. Just sayin.

I'm not a lawyer and I certainly don't play one on the internet. I did find the following:

Cal Prob Code § 250 reads:

(a) A person who feloniously and intentionally kills the decedent is not entitled to any of the following:

(1) Any property, interest, or benefit under a will of the decedent, or a trust created by or for the benefit of the decedent or in which the decedent has an interest, including any general or special power of appointment conferred by the will or trust on the killer and any nomination of the killer as executor, trustee, guardian, or conservator or custodian made by the will or trust.

(2) Any property of the decedent by intestate succession.

(3) Any of the decedent's quasi-community property the killer would otherwise acquire under Section 101 or 102 upon the death of the decedent.

(4) Any property of the decedent under Part 5 (commencing with Section 5700) of Division 5.

(5) Any property of the decedent under Part 3 (commencing with Section 6500) of Division 6.

Puts the family in a very uncomfortable position, I imagine. Who is legally eligible and who isn't?

Sadly, I think this bunch is terrified of poverty. So terrified that they are willing to lose their honour and integrity to avoid it. They don't understand that poverty is not so bad if you are rich in family and friends to love.