CA CA - Emmanuel Haro, 7-months, reported kidnapped 7:30pm from Big 5 parking lot, Yucaipa Blvd, Yucaipa, 14 Aug 2025

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  • #81
I’m not sure what to think 🤔. Noticed there isn’t an amber alert out. That black and blue eye don’t look like a knock out, JMO.
At least in my area, Amber Alerts are only issued when the authorities know, or at least have a good idea, who took the child and where they may be headed.
 
  • #82
  • #83
Trigger: bodily functions

Regarding the diaper change - was she in progress of changing or just about to change? Did the baby-snatcher take a kid with a diaper full of poop or a half-naked baby with poopy bottom

The diaper detail makes no sense. In my opinion.

Why is she bothering to mention the diaper change? I don't like it.

jmo
All big stores like that have places to 'change' babies. She could have a changing table, diaper disposal, and a place to wash up if she went inside. I wonder why she did it outside on the back seat?
 
  • #84
All big stores like that have places to 'change' babies. She could have a changing table, diaper disposal, and a place to wash up if she went inside. I wonder why she did it outside on the back seat?
Nothing make sense. IMOļ
 
  • #85
All big stores like that have places to 'change' babies. She could have a changing table, diaper disposal, and a place to wash up if she went inside. I wonder why she did it outside on the back seat?
I went back to listen as I thought the same thing.
 
  • #86
That black eye looks a little light IMO.
I have taken a few full fist to the eye and ..I personally do not believe that is looking 'right'' for the story.
I have had to throw down a few times. Varies reasons...
Its very odd for me to be this convinced of something this early but yeah..Noo..imo
 
  • #87
MOO: I suspect there are dozens of officers out tonight in and near Yucaipa who are much closer to the resolution of this case, in terms of both information and technology. I pray it is a positive resolution, as remote as those hopes may be.
 
  • #88
That black eye looks a little light IMO.
I have taken a few full fist to the eye and ..I personally do not believe that is looking 'right'' for the story.
I have had to throw down a few times. Varies reasons...
Its very odd for me to be this convinced of something this early but yeah..Noo..imo
Yes, you'd have to take me down pretty hard to be able to grab and run with my baby. And Mom looks pretty strong.

I also wonder if there were any witnesses? Mom said she was out for a bit before running into the store to look for baby. Did she literally lay on the ground, with no one coming to her aid?
 
  • #89
Yes, you'd have to take me down pretty hard to be able to grab and run with my baby. And Mom looks pretty strong.

I also wonder if there were any witnesses? Mom said she was out for a bit before running into the store to look for baby. Did she literally lay on the ground, with no one coming to her aid?
Not to mention ,most hits that put you on the floor are shots to the forehead. They make you drop out for seconds . I have seen that in person but not experienced that from a punch , however every car accident I have been in the driver always hits their head on the steering wheel and goes out for scary seconds. It also happend to me in one accident I was driving in but not the other. Weird. But helpful information to know. Also normally no tell tail signs of that on the fore head either.
 
  • #90
I went back to listen as I thought the same thing.
I would of went to the car too.
I had kid with cancer so keeping the public germs off the babies is easy if you dont take them into those places ,if you can help it. But how long does it take to get that one thing?
Also 5 other kids and no pictures>
My kids were 7 ,7, and 14 when my youngest was born and I still find videos and pictures they took I didn't even know they had. The other kids were always taking pictures of him.. so...where are those sibling pics of the baby?
 
  • #91
I would of went to the car too.
I had kid with cancer so keeping the public germs off the babies is easy if you dont take them into those places ,if you can help it. But how long does it take to get that one thing?
Also 5 other kids and no pictures>
My kids were 7 ,7, and 14 when my youngest was born and I still find videos and pictures they took I didn't even know they had. The other kids were always taking pictures of him.. so...where are those sibling pics of the baby?
Yeah, I don't find anything too suspicious about changing him in the car. It's the rest of the story I find unbelievable
 
  • #92
Yeah, I don't find anything too suspicious about changing him in the car. It's the rest of the story I find unbelievable
I don't find it unbelievable she would change the baby in the car. I get that.

What I don't get is a baby-snatcher taking a baby during a diaper change. The logistics of it seem really awkward. Is her head in the vehicle as she bends inside to arrange the supplies and the perp pulls her out? Or reaches in the car to punch her?

Could the perp see the baby in the vehicle with mom standing by him?

If the snatcher saw the poopy bottom when he grabbed the baby, did it make him pause?

If the diaper change the truth, it's the truth.

But it just seems an odd detail if it's not true. When the baby is found, will he have a bad case of diaper rash, which couldn't be blamed on her as she's so attentive she changes in a parking lot, for example?

jmopinion
 
  • #93
Do they have speed cams ? Ones that snap tags for speeding ? Because if you just knocked a lady out and stole a baby ,removing yourself fast from the scene seems reasonable to think speeding off would be a thing. So maybe there is a plate ,or something else to see on one reader close by.
 
  • #94
Seems to me if she has the car door open changing the baby, when she gets punched she would hit the door, not the ground. I just don’t see enough damage to the eye, for a knock out. I think there looks like a little bruising under the other eye also.
 
  • #95
Comments expecting a mother to be crying and begging for the return of her child always bother me — why do people want to see that? Why should a mother in the worst moment of her life be expected to go through that? It feels exploitative to expect.

It also doesn’t seem to be a natural reaction to me at all. If I were in that situation, I would not want to be on camera, and I would not be able to speak. The only way I’d be able to is with heavy Benzos (and I can only hope a mother in that situation is offered them, it’s also likely the only way I could function enough to be helpful to authorities at all). So if I go on camera sedated by Benzos, I’m going to look like I’m sedated by Benzos. If you don’t consider that, then I’d obviously look off.

I’m also very all or nothing with crying, you’re not likely to get a tearful performance out of me. I can’t recover once I start crying. If I were to go on camera, explaining what happened sounds more manageable to talk about than begging for my child back. And which is more helpful? How often does a kidnapper turn a child because the mother asked on TV? Details of what happened could instead trigger a witness’s memory. Most importantly, it just makes people aware, regardless of what is said.

And while I can see how speaking in the past tense could be a giveaway that the person knows the child isn’t alive, I think people often read too much into it. If I’m thinking of a past event, I’m likely to use past tense. If my child was just kidnapped, I can’t fathom saying my child “is” happy — they were kidnapped by a stranger!!

Trauma can also affect recollections, stories get abbreviated for news coverage which can result in some things appearing inconsistent that aren’t with a longer explanation, and news coverage very often gets something wrong, and early news coverage often gets huge things wrong.

And getting hit from behind causing you to fall forward could surely cause you to hit your face into something causing a black eye, right? Or tapped from behind causing you to turn to look then you’re punched?

All that said, of course when I first heard of this story, my mind first thought that it’ll likely turn out to be the parents. It’s such an unlikely scenario, relative to the more common outcome in such cases.

But as unlikely as that story is, do I actually think coming up with that story as a coverup is more likely? Why pick a location likely to have cameras? Someone acting on impulse would be less likely to consider that. Wouldn’t the other children at least be able to verify the parts of the story they were there for? That scenario ends up feeling even less likely. Of all the coverups to arrive at, how would you think of that much less decide it’s your best option?

Maybe staged or faked for some other reason? A go fund me?

Based on what we currently know (very little), no theory is making very much sense. Hope the little baby is found safe soon.
 
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  • #96
The mother said that she left the stadium around 7pm to go to Big 5, so not much time passed from then until the baby was reported missing around 7:47pm. It should be easy to confirm that part of the timeline. The children should be able to confirm that one of them needed a mouthguard, and that the baby was with her. She should have also been seen by others at the stadium. That is a very narrow time period for a baby to go missing. There would be time to grab him and drive off, but not much time for anything else.


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Haro had been watching her son and stepson at football practice when one of them needed a mouthguard, prompting her to leave the local stadium around 7pm to pick one up - and change Emmanuel's diaper.

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Despite exhaustive search efforts, the family remains both confused and fearful, insisting they have no enemies and cannot understand who would want to harm them.

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On Friday evening, friends and family gathered outside the sporting goods store to begin their own search efforts, armed with flyers they had prepared
 
  • #97
KTLA 5 NEWS: Same info however read the comments
Wow, TIL those in depth Facebook comments sections are HELLA ANNOYING to read... how does anyone ever scroll through that mess?!? I'm sure I gave up before I passed 200... interesting, though.

I am always shocked how few people seem to understand it's important to look at "who" made a particular statement (or uttered a piece of gossip) - a newspaper/TV station? a member of LE? A parent? another family member? someone who's relatively local to the area; a total rando? is the Facebook (or similar venue) page supposed to be "who" is doing the talking/making the statements, because that's what some of these comments (speaking of the FB page comments, not all of y'all's comments) are phrased like?... Weird. Anyway, I hope the wee baby is found soon.
 
  • #98
I just watched the interview with parents. That black eye looks more healed/older than I expected? JMO

So initially I had read that dad was inside the Big 5 store but the interviews I just watched seem to indicate she and little guy were at Big 5 alone to pick up some emergency piece of equipment needed at a game where dad remained with the other kids? and before she could enter the store she was attempting to change Emmanuel's diaper in the car, before removing dirty diaper as she readied her supplies, she was knocked out and the baby snatched and taken. Am I understanding that correctly?

ETA I am glad we got more pictures of this little cutie pie thought
As I was able to piece together, that is the scenario.

Mom and baby had to leave the game to go get the kid who was playing a mouth guard.

We don't know when they discovered this need, so we don't know if Emmanuel was already out of his car seat (if he had been out of his car seat, then I might have wondered at the mother's choice to pack him out/re-sling him into the car seat; but if the athlete realized he was without his mouth guard when Emmanuel was still engaged in his car seat, then there's nothing particularly odd about that).

I would assume the father stayed with the player (and any other potential auxiliary offspring) at the playing field, though this could be wrong.
 
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  • #99
Just some additional thoughts in response to comments I’ve read —
-If this was an accidental death covered up, I would expect the parents to still be grieving. If you think the parents aren’t showing grief, that only rings true for me with a planned murder. And since both parents have been doubted based on their interview, that would mean both parents planned it. So, planned murder, disposal, and yet this story is what they come up with?
-Someone mentioned the possibility of domestic violence gone wrong. That actually rings most true to me. But it seems like people will be able to easily verify if she had that black eye before. Has she actually said the black eye was from the attack or is that just what people are assuming?
-Do we know whether she went to the hospital? Surely that would have been encouraged.

Given everything I’ve said above in this and my previous post, I asked myself why I still expect to ultimately find out that it was a cover up, and I realized that it’s because of what the police are saying/not saying.
 
  • #100
It seems like the initial height and weight are always wrong even for adults.
I have observed over the years that when a child is actually well cared for, parents are taking them to the doctor on a regular basis and therefore have a pretty close estimate of height and weight. When a child isn't being seen by a healthcare provider regularly, the estimates are often way off.

It's a lot harder with adults, naturally, since adults don't often share their info, but usually it can be pulled from a driver's license or ID (but that doesn't account for people who lie about their weight on there, like me lol).
 
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