Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #5

[?!?]

I think searching a landfill is a last resort: what a waste of time if it turns out a victim was removed from the building by other means.

We have no idea where the forensic evidence was found, when it was collected, how long it took and how many experts it took, to analyse it and confirm the DNA was Heidi's, and that it indicated homicide.

Then, IMO, there is collecting and analysing all the other evidence, including hundreds of hours of footage from cameras, to identify a time, place of death, and potential suspects, and interview them and others, to try to trace exactly the movements of individuals who may have interfered with the remains, and where they may have taken them.

IMO, homicide detectives don't have the luxury of dreaming up theories, they have to collect actual, physical evidence, in an exacting, precise manner, not just to get search warrants, and proceed with further investigation, but in order to actually convict anyone of crimes.

JMO

Don't know about LAST resort (maybe 'most likely' place they think she is) but the 'by other means' gets overlooked by many. Why would the 'vanishing act' actors wait for the next routine (normal) pickup? Seems they might want her as far away as possible, as soon as possible.

 

[Satchie]

Don't know about LAST resort (maybe 'most likely' place they think she is) but the 'by other means' gets overlooked by many. Why would the 'vanishing act' actors wait for the next routine (normal) pickup? Seems they might want her as far away as possible, as soon as possible.

Yes. I recall a case in a luxury NY apartment, a violent death after a party. IIRC, an attempt was made to tamper with cameras. The victim's remains were removed using a luggage rack and a lower floor window. The perps got in their vehicle and drove around to the side of the building to collect the remains.

The issue in that case was, too many people had partial or full knowledge, and police were onto it very quickly.

ETA: but that was in NY. Perhaps people in LA have no sense of conscience at all.

Night of Partying Ended in a Grisly Murder. A Jeweler’s Surrogate Son Is Guilty. (Published 2018)

 

[SteveP]

I may be wrong, but I really believe that had Heidi left the building by any means other than the trash chute, it would have been picked up on camera somewhere, and LE would know, and not be searching a landfill still. Yes, she could have been stashed into a large suitcase or some such item, but I think that would have attracted the attention of LE. The only way other than chute that I can see her possibly being removed from the building without drawing attention would be if, when breaking down the alleged party that the Sun references her allegedly attending the evening of the 17th, she was somehow slipped out unnoticed among all the DJ equipment, card tables and poles, taken out a service elevator, and hauled away in a van under cover of darkness. This, of course, would add another layer of involvement to an already convoluted situation, so not saying this is likely, merely a possibility perhaps. JMO

In the article dated Dec 11, 2021, Dawn told The Sun: “I was told that Heidi... she was up at this really big party and they were gambling with cryptocurrency, there were a lot of drugs and strippers and they had brought a stripper pole up there and they had a DJ"...

 

[moonriverfarm]

I think the police know FAR MORE than they are letting on.

 

[SteveP]

I think the police know FAR MORE than they are letting on.

I am pretty sure they do. I really believe they want to find Heidi's remains before making arrests. Although a body is not absolutely necessary to pursue a criminal case, it certainly strengthens one.

 

[raja]

If they suspected that she OD they would still want to find her body to confirm that manner of death as opposed to shot stabbed etc.

 

[StarRemy8]

I think searching a landfill is a last resort: what a waste of time if it turns out a victim was removed from the building by other means.

We have no idea where the forensic evidence was found, when it was collected, how long it took and how many experts it took, to analyse it and confirm the DNA was Heidi's, and that it indicated homicide.

Then, IMO, there is collecting and analysing all the other evidence, including hundreds of hours of footage from cameras, to identify a time, place of death, and potential suspects, and interview them and others, to try to trace exactly the movements of individuals who may have interfered with the remains, and where they may have taken them.

IMO, homicide detectives don't have the luxury of dreaming up theories, they have to collect actual, physical evidence, in an exacting, precise manner, not just to get search warrants, and proceed with further investigation, but in order to actually convict anyone of crimes.

JMO

IMO, I would not think searching the landfill was a "last resort" solely based on what the LAPD released and both the sheer expense and manpower it takes to do so after reading their statements again.

"To date, more than 1,000 tons of waste and debris has been searched. More than 60 detectives, police officers, criminalists and other experts continue the work of finding Heidi’s remains for her family."

I just do not find it very plausible that they would go to this extent to search for remains and/or further evidence unless they had a very substantial reason to believe anything was located there. If all they had hypothetically was security camera footage of her entering the building and not ever exiting it they would not just assume/check the landfill as a possibility.

"Forensic evidence was located inside the building which has led detectives to believe an incident occurred resulting in Planck’s death. Further investigation has led investigators to the Chiquita Canyon Landfill. There is currently no suspect information."

My question is does forensic evidence include video footage? It is very hard to find a specific answer to this. We typically think of forensic evidence as DNA, fingerprints ballistics along with hair and fiber evidence that can be tested and analyzed in a scientific manner. But there is also digital forensics which then would include video, computers, phones etc. so could that be considered the forensic evidence they found?

To my knowledge, we still do not know with certainty where the cameras are in the H+F building. Are there even any security cameras on each floor or only the main lobby and/or elevators, common areas, trash room...possibly just the penthouse area and not every floor etc.? But if that were the case I would think these would be readily visible for anyone to see as they are not hidden cameras so anyone would know they were being filmed.

Again though we have to take into consideration that if she was disposed of down the chute and they had found any evidence of this that was solely caught on camera, whoever was involved in the process could have not known/cared about cameras if they were intoxicated, not familiar with the building or thought they had disguised her enough that it would not be overly obvious that anything being placed down the chute would appear suspicious. LAPD also says in the statement that there is currently no suspect information which could mean the video footage they recovered was not enough to point to a particular person/s and they are still trying to find out their identities.

Most of the high-rise luxury apartments where I have lived in large cities keep documentation of all guests in the building. You must sign in, some made you show your ID, they would call me to ask if the guest downstairs was allowed to come up etc. so I would think by now LE would have been able to get a list of who was in attendance at the party. However, with The Sun also reporting that staff members at the building had knowledge of this they very well could have altered any of the guest documentation or not have been as strict with logging each and every guest that arrived to attend the large event which could make it rather hard for LE to know who was even there in the first place and that would be assuming they even had a specific guest policy in the building.

Robbery-Homicide Division Missing Woman Investigation NR21336bb - LAPD Online

 

[?!?]

I may be wrong, but I really believe that had Heidi left the building by any means other than the trash chute, it would have been picked up on camera somewhere, and LE would know, and not be searching a landfill still. Yes, she could have been stashed into a large suitcase or some such item, but I think that would have attracted the attention of LE. The only way other than chute that I can see her possibly being removed from the building without drawing attention would be if, when breaking down the alleged party that the Sun references her allegedly attending the evening of the 17th, she was somehow slipped out unnoticed among all the DJ equipment, card tables and poles, taken out a service elevator, and hauled away in a van under cover of darkness. This, of course, would add another layer of involvement to an already convoluted situation, so not saying this is likely, merely a possibility perhaps. JMO

In the article dated Dec 11, 2021, Dawn told The Sun: “I was told that Heidi... she was up at this really big party and they were gambling with cryptocurrency, there were a lot of drugs and strippers and they had brought a stripper pole up there and they had a DJ"...

Did not mean to suggest that chute wasn't used -- but that there was someone at the bottom that removed her to a vehicle (rather than waiting for the next scheduled pickup). Means she could now be 'anywhere.'

Also, on another forum one of our 'detectives' stated that ALL cameras at H+F that had been checked were so badly out of focus that they were useless. Remember ONNI staff were present when Maserati Lady did her memory dump.

 

[Curiosa20]

About the bacchanal at 4002…
Surely the Concierge would have a name list of caterers, bar tenders, DJ, strippers, assorted motley crew who were invited or contracted to arrive at the Penthouse apartment.
Would the employees all sign a non-disclosure agreement? Is one of the obstacles besides ONNI’s controlling influence on LA city government?

 

[?!?]

About the bacchanal at 4002…
Surely the Concierge would have a name list of caterers, bar tenders, DJ, strippers, assorted motley crew who were invited or contracted to arrive at the Penthouse apartment.
Would the employees all sign a non-disclosure agreement? Is one of the obstacles besides ONNI’s controlling influence on LA city government?

ICYMI - I recall hearing on one of the many videos making the rounds that Maserati Lady had dated the Concierge....MOIWYW (Make Of It What You Will)

 

[Gobstopper]

How "big" of a party can you have in a penthouse that's under 2300 square feet? MOO

 

[cvaldez1975]

About the bacchanal at 4002…
Surely the Concierge would have a name list of caterers, bar tenders, DJ, strippers, assorted motley crew who were invited or contracted to arrive at the Penthouse apartment.
Would the employees all sign a non-disclosure agreement? Is one of the obstacles besides ONNI’s controlling influence on LA city government?

I’m not sure that it was that formal

 

[NCWatcher]

How "big" of a party can you have in a penthouse that's under 2300 square feet? MOO

I guess it depends on what a person's definition of a "big party" is. And how much crowding a person finds acceptable. If the home is 2300 sq ft, you could have 100 guests and each could "occupy" an average of 23 sq ft, slightly less than a 5ft x 5ft space. Sounds like a pretty big party to me for an apartment but it honestly doesn't sound that crowded (except for the bathroom lines!)

JMO

 

[SteveP]

I guess it depends on what a person's definition of a "big party" is. And how much crowding a person finds acceptable. If the home is 2300 sq ft, you could have 100 guests and each could "occupy" an average of 23 sq ft, slightly less than a 5ft x 5ft space. Sounds like a pretty big party to me for an apartment but it honestly doesn't sound that crowded (except for the bathroom lines!)

JMO

Yes, and also, if people wandered in and out during the course of the event, as people often tend to do, and as Heidi may have intended to do, if she was there, the number could be much larger. JMO

 

[?!?]

Yes, and also, if people wandered in and out during the course of the event, as people often tend to do, and as Heidi may have intended to do, if she was there, the number could be much larger. JMO

Depends on how high you stack 'em.

 

[annpats]

What time are we supposing this party started?

Because if she was there with her dog at approx. 18.20hrs, then that's quite early for a party with gamblers and strippers to start.....or did Heidi just show up early?

(If she even attended this party at all!)

 

[SteveP]

What time are we supposing this party started?

Because if she was there with her dog at approx. 18.20hrs, then that's quite early for a party with gamblers and strippers to start.....or did Heidi just show up early?

(If she even attended this party at all!)

That is a sticking point for me. We know from the video released that she was seen walking Seven around 6:20 pm, and we have been told that the dog was found roaming the halls of the 28/29th floor around 7 pm, which implies that whatever happened to Heidi occurred between those times. But where has anyone offered proof of how and when Seven was found? They haven't. It is entirely possible that Heidi was visiting someone there and became separated from the dog later in the evening, 9ish? 10ish maybe? That greatly widens the time that something may have happened to her. I doubt a big party would be in full swing at 6 or 7 pm, but it may be by 9 or 10. and I also do not believe Heidi's intent when going to H+F was to attend a party. If she was there, I believe she intended to be there only briefly, with someone, or looking for someone. JMO

 

[Beans]

I think the convoluted car tale is a ham-fisted attempt to explain how a YT’er got the story without admitting that she probably contacted the channel and volunteered to give it. It’s easier to explain away “oops I said too much but I thought it was friends of that poor woman” rather than “I totally blabbed to YouTubers”.

Why? For drama? To create a diversion? To try and implicate someone? I don’t know.

I’m not sure I believe it anyway. Doesn’t sit right for several reasons.

 

[Gobstopper]

Depends on how high you stack 'em.

Just seems like a small area for a dance floor, gambling, stripper pole, etc. MOO

 

[Gobstopper]

That is a sticking point for me. We know from the video released that she was seen walking Seven around 6:20 pm, and we have been told that the dog was found roaming the halls of the 28/29th floor around 7 pm, which implies that whatever happened to Heidi occurred between those times. But where has anyone offered proof of how and when Seven was found? They haven't. It is entirely possible that Heidi was visiting someone there and became separated from the dog later in the evening, 9ish? 10ish maybe? That greatly widens the time that something may have happened to her. I doubt a big party would be in full swing at 6 or 7 pm, but it may be by 9 or 10. and I also do not believe Heidi's intent when going to H+F was to attend a party. If she was there, I believe she intended to be there only briefly, with someone, or looking for someone. JMO

Perhaps Heidi was alive until later like 10 PM or so. Maybe she left her dog with the dog sitter but the dog sitter was careless or irresponsible and Seven got away. Just a thought. MOO