CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #18

[branmuffin]

It would be very informative to know when the NW was seen entering that area without video footage. We know that Honey's last phone call was at 6:21 pm. She had her phone in her hand at that time. Sometime after that it ended up in the powder room. Where was the NW at 6:21 pm?

"The last phone call Honey made was at 6:21 p.m. on Dec. 13 and preliminary data obtained from her iPhone showed several missed calls on Dec. 14 and Dec. 15."

Police 'committed' to bringing closure, justice to Sherman family, cops say on 3rd anniversary of billionaire couple's murder

Did that last call ping at the Sherman home?

 

[Betty P]

There were shiny marble floors everywhere in that house on the ground floor. Honey could have been making her way outside to escape intruders when she was overcome by the killers. During the scuffle she dropped her phone and it slid into the bathroom under the door even if it was closed.

In the video linked above, the Toronto Star said Honey's phone was found in the powder room, laying face down on the surface of the bathroom vanity. Has this detail been updated since then? TIA

Whomever she was running from must have scared her enough to go into that powder room and (possibly) attempt to call for help. Poor woman. Perhaps the killer had a gun and forced her out of the powder room, making her leave her phone on the vanity.

 

[dotr]

That’s a question I have about investing in a movie. It seems it’s risky as it has to be a commercial success in order to profit or even get their investment returned.

All of FDA’s movies seem to tanked. Complete bombs. You can write off business losses, but how many times can you do that with the same person on many films?

Wonder what HS and the rest of the family thought of this FDA film? rbbm. fwiw, imo.
The Frank D'Angelo Cinematic Universe
''No Depo$it is a slightly less delirious experience, mostly because D’Angelo unexpectedly consigns himself to a supporting role. He does, however, kick things off on a suitably ridiculous note with opening narration about the 2008 financial collapse in which he actually imitates President Obama. The film stars Michael Paré as a devoted family man who loses his home when his bank makes an unfair payment demand. After his family leaves him, he falls under the sway of Michael Madsen and Daniel Baldwin, a pair of gangsters who blame America’s economic woes on Jewish bankers. The second half involves Paré, Madsen and Baldwin’s attempted robbery of a Jewish-run bank, and comes to a bizarrely unpleasant climax when they meet a tough-talking Holocaust survivor (Robert Loggia, with full Tim and Eric’s Billion Dollar Movie gusto). These scenes are regularly interrupted by a news broadcast in which D’Angelo’s Next Sports Star co-host Tony Ambrogio interviews psychic Georgina Cannon for no discernible reason. D’Angelo’s social commentary isn’t quite with the zeitgeist (are Jewish people widely blamed for the financial collapse?), but if nothing else, No Depo$it gives Uwe Boll’s Assault on Wall Street serious competition as the best shot-in-Canada financial crash thriller with Eric Roberts.''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Wonder what HS and the rest of the family thought of this FDA film? rbbm. fwiw, imo.
The Frank D'Angelo Cinematic Universe
''No Depo$it is a slightly less delirious experience, mostly because D’Angelo unexpectedly consigns himself to a supporting role. He does, however, kick things off on a suitably ridiculous note with opening narration about the 2008 financial collapse in which he actually imitates President Obama. The film stars Michael Paré as a devoted family man who loses his home when his bank makes an unfair payment demand. After his family leaves him, he falls under the sway of Michael Madsen and Daniel Baldwin, a pair of gangsters who blame America’s economic woes on Jewish bankers. The second half involves Paré, Madsen and Baldwin’s attempted robbery of a Jewish-run bank, and comes to a bizarrely unpleasant climax when they meet a tough-talking Holocaust survivor (Robert Loggia, with full Tim and Eric’s Billion Dollar Movie gusto). These scenes are regularly interrupted by a news broadcast in which D’Angelo’s Next Sports Star co-host Tony Ambrogio interviews psychic Georgina Cannon for no discernible reason. D’Angelo’s social commentary isn’t quite with the zeitgeist (are Jewish people widely blamed for the financial collapse?), but if nothing else, No Depo$it gives Uwe Boll’s Assault on Wall Street serious competition as the best shot-in-Canada financial crash thriller with Eric Roberts.''

Whaaaat?! Barry must have had a good laugh with this.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Did that last call ping at the Sherman home?

!!! Where did that call ping?! We haven’t heard.

 

[Window21]

It has always been in my mind that the killer was inside the house multiple times before that deadly night.
It is very difficult for me to think that the killer (s) were just "mapping" out this house just from real estate postings, or from a blue print.

For all we know IF this was a hired hit then maybe the one behind this hit was in the house while the murders were taking place? Anything is possible, but I would definitely bet money on the killer knowing every nook and cranny of BS's home.

 

[ldlager]

That’s a question I have about investing in a movie. It seems it’s risky as it has to be a commercial success in order to profit or even get their investment returned.

All of FDA’s movies seem to tanked. Complete bombs. You can write off business losses, but how many times can you do that with the same person on many films?

Tax breaks for financing Canadian content films can be substantial

 

[ldlager]

In the video linked above, the Toronto Star said Honey's phone was found in the powder room, laying face and down on the surface of the bathroom vanity. Has this detail been updated since then? TIA

Whomever she was running from must have scared her enough to go into that powder room and (possibly) attempt to call for help. Poor woman. Perhaps the killer had a gun and forced her out of the powder room, making her leave her phone on the vanity.

IIRC it has been reported or written by KD that the cleaner picked the phone up off the floor and placed it on the bathroom vanity

 

[ldlager]

Did that last call ping at the Sherman home?

I do not believe HS was at home at 6.21. She was videotaped at the CIBC in Bayview Village well after that time.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

There are. I wonder when they filmed it? From dotr’s link:
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The neighbor maybe was doing construction in the home? And the Shermans’ front driveway was heated and that appears to be off, imo.

Yes and to add no crime tape, cannot see the footprints from staff, they could be there but I can't make them out, no car used the driveway, you see some have turned in and backed out? Also I cannot see the flowers left by locals and friends but they could be blocked by the trees.

Maybe those are the first police to arrive? or this is after they finished collecting evidence and released the home to the family.

 

[dotr]

It has always been in my mind that the killer was inside the house multiple times before that deadly night.
It is very difficult for me to think that the killer (s) were just "mapping" out this house just from real estate postings, or from a blue print.

For all we know IF this was a hired hit then maybe the one behind this hit was in the house while the murders were taking place? Anything is possible, but I would definitely bet money on the killer knowing every nook and cranny of BS's home.

Almost wondering if the whole scene was rehearsed in a space that replicated the Sherman home (pool) to see what would work smoothly, the time required to do it and a backup plan in case anyone showed up. Glad nobody decided to drop by (that we know of anyway). imo, speculation.

 

[dotr]

It has always been in my mind that the killer was inside the house multiple times before that deadly night.
It is very difficult for me to think that the killer (s) were just "mapping" out this house just from real estate postings, or from a blue print.

For all we know IF this was a hired hit then maybe the one behind this hit was in the house while the murders were taking place? Anything is possible, but I would definitely bet money on the killer knowing every nook and cranny of BS's home.

Almost wondering if the whole scene was rehearsed in a space that replicated the Sherman home (pool) to see what would work smoothly, the time required to do it and a backup plan in case anyone showed up.
Glad nobody decided to drop by (that we know of anyway) but if they did- would the plans be aborted or would an intruder be dealt with in an unpleasant fashion? imo, speculation.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

There are. I wonder when they filmed it? From dotr’s link:
View attachment 334556
The neighbor maybe was doing construction in the home? And the Shermans’ front driveway was heated and that appears to be off, imo.

Yes and to add no crime tape, cannot see the footprints from staff, they could be there but I can't make them out, no car used the driveway, you see some have turned in and backed out? Also I cannot see the flowers left by locals and friends but they could be blocked by the trees.

Maybe those are the first police to arrive? or this is after they finished collecting evidence and released the home to the family? when tape was removed the vidoe showed little snow.

 

[moslym3]

The photos we’re posting of the sculptures are realtor photos.

I think you make a good point about the sculpture and pool photo perspective. The killer staged the bodies in a specific way, so possibly he’s a visual person who wanted to create that image of them. (Connected to the arts in some way?)

The perspective of the pool photo may have been shot that way because it captures the room and at the far back there’s a mural on the wall. But I do think the killer saw the photos and floor plans of the home.

In my recreation of events, I think the killer himself was startled by the sculptures as he wandered through the dark home and thought it would be a nice F-U to pose them in a similar fashion. Designed to offend. All my opinion.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

In my recreation of events, I think the killer himself was startled by the sculptures as he wandered through the dark home and thought it would be a nice F-U to pose them in a similar fashion. Designed to offend. All my opinion.

KD said the Sherman children didn’t like the sculptures because they thought they were creepy.

Imagine it it had been a police officer who had went down to the basement with a flashlight and came across those two sculptures, then the sculpture with the female leading the sheep, and then the Shermans.

It’s something out of a horror movie.

 

[Betty P]

IIRC it has been reported or written by KD that the cleaner picked the phone up off the floor and placed it on the bathroom vanity

Thank you for that information!

 

[ollie2]

Yes and to add no crime tape, cannot see the footprints from staff, they could be there but I can't make them out, no car used the driveway, you see some have turned in and backed out? Also I cannot see the flowers left by locals and friends but they could be blocked by the trees.

Maybe those are the first police to arrive? or this is after they finished collecting evidence and released the home to the family.

I remember walking in from walking my dog and the news was on- Breaking news...There were police cars outside the house. There was a news crew outside reporting and a woman who was an employee of Apotex walked up to the news woman reporting, had flowers in her hands- lifted the police tape to climb underneath. I was shocked to see it happen and no one on scene to stop her. Even the reporter didn't notice. It appeared that said woman was hoping to meet Sherman family inside to offer her condolences and flowers.

 

[ollie2]

Yes and to add no crime tape, cannot see the footprints from staff, they could be there but I can't make them out, no car used the driveway, you see some have turned in and backed out? Also I cannot see the flowers left by locals and friends but they could be blocked by the trees.

Maybe those are the first police to arrive? or this is after they finished collecting evidence and released the home to the family.

Billionaires’ killer still on loose as Sherman family end private inquiry | World | The Sunday Times
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[dotr]

Billionaires’ killer still on loose as Sherman family end private inquiry | World | The Sunday Times
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From link, thanks..

Police at the house in Toronto where the couple were found
LUCAS OLENIUK
This month the couple’s family wound up a private murder investigation, obliging detectives to make a plea for those who gave tips to the inquiry to resubmit them to police. It was unclear how much progress has been made

 

[Lexiintoronto]

From link, thanks..

Police at the house in Toronto where the couple were found
LUCAS OLENIUK
This month the couple’s family wound up a private murder investigation, obliging detectives to make a plea for those who gave tips to the inquiry to resubmit them to police. It was unclear how much progress has been made

I wonder why they didn’t use the driveway heating. Or maybe Honey and Barry hadn’t turned it on, so the police left it?