CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[fadedglitter]

We have a very general description of what can be seen on the camera from across the street. Presumably the camera’s position did not change in the days before and after the murders, so there is no change in the angle for the Wednesday night:

A security camera on a house across the street from the Sherman home captured a man getting out of the car three times, each time walking onto the Sherman property and up to the front door, according to neighbours whose cameras recorded these events. The neighbours, who provided the video to police, said the images on the video are blurry, as it was focused on their own property and only picked up the Sherman property in the background. They said it was not possible to make out the man’s face, the licence plate on the car or the type of car. The neighbours have said they believed the man went in and out of the Sherman house but the Sherman private detective team has studied the same video and it is “inconclusive” as to whether the man enters the house or stood in the alcove leading to the front door, according to Brian Greenspan, lawyer for the Sherman family.

The other entrances to the home are not incidentally caught on this camera.

 

[dotr]

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''RBC Capital Markets, Jefferies Financial Group and TD Securities are advisers for the deal, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing information that is still private. No decisions have been made yet on exact timing or size, and more banks may be added to the lineup later, they said.''

''With a net worth of about C$3.6 billion ($2.6 billion) at the time of their deaths, they ranked as two of the wealthiest people in the world ever to be murdered, and the crime remains unsolved almost seven years later.''

 

[Cedars]

Speculation—maybe because the WM wasn’t on their cctv footage. Maybe it was another neighbour’s, and that’s what the police were initially working on with urgency.

I agree, my understanding is they traced NW going into and coming from the back alley.

The 'problem' is, the people who did supply the best footage were likely asked not to speak to the media.

JMO

 

[ldlager]

I agree, my understanding is they traced NW going into and coming from the back alley.

The 'problem' is, the people who did supply the best footage were likely asked not to speak to the media.

JMO

Can you please explain this. What back alley?

 

[Cedars]

Can you please explain this. What back alley?

JMO.

 

[dotr]

by Tyler Dawson
2021 rbbm.

Video released of suspect with distinctive gait in Barry and Honey Sherman murders

The suspect, with a hitch in their right leg, was seen walking around the couple's home when they were killed, police say

nationalpost.com

The video shows the individual walking with an unusual gait in his right leg Photo by Toronto Police Service

''The suspect — no gender was clarified — has a distinctive hitch in their step and was seen walking around the couple’s home on Old Colony Road around the time that police believe the couple was murdered, Toronto Police told reporters at a Tuesday briefing.''
“I’ll tell you what’s good in this case … this footage is good footage,” Nirenberg said.''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

New and very interesting from AB (where’s bluejayfriend? Lost us again.)—

“Fingers crossed we’re about to get our annual dose of new information in the now seven-years-long Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation. On November 28, the Toronto Star will be back in court to try to convince police and a judge that the public needs to know more about the history of the investigation and why it has slowed to a snail’s pace.[…]

To prepare for this session, I have listened to many of the previous application hearings, which consist primarily of Kevin Donovan, the Star’s chief investigative reporter and author of The Billionaire Murders, cross-examining Detective Constable Dennis Yim, who has been assigned to the Sherman murder case fulltime for the past seven years.”

You have to be a member to read the story, here’s the link: Courthouse Stories | Substack

 

[fadedglitter]

The Post’s description “walking around the couple’s home” is potentially misleading. The person is on video walking *near* or *in the vicinity of* the home, walking right up to it and then walking away. There is no video of the person circling the home or walking around inside the home.

The person was definitely walking on Old Colony at some point. The ITOs specifically refer to the person in that way.

 

[hexicon]

Respectfully. I do not think the idea of "international assassin is such a fanciful idea it seems utterly implausible to me"
is fanciful. One only has to study the activities of the Russian Spy services and their activities in the United Kingdom and Israeli hits against the Irian nuclear scientists, to know the reality.

I know it is a movie, but Steven Spielberg's film Munich (2005) gives great insight into this world.

Windsor, I am with you. This case is truly an outlier due to the wealth and power that surround it, and although the international assassin theory is speculative I don't think it is bizarre or fanciful under the circumstances. Aside from heads of state the Shermans are among the wealthiest and most prominent people in the world to be murdered, as Dotr points out above.

It's certainly true that assassins (freelance or state-sponsored) are the stuff of fiction. But here, it is one of the theories that fits. And being fictive doesn't mean it never happens. I believe an ex-Mossad or SVR professional was imported from Israel or Russia and fully briefed on victim habits and home layout by a person who benefited financially from the deaths. And then the pro was out of the country before the bodies were cold. I do not see the beneficiary/procurer doing the job themselves, as I do not think they have the skills or the sang-froid. They shoot clay pigeons, not deer. They would bring in someone else for the dirty work. JMO of course.

(I freely admit that my tinfoil-hat theory for certain unusual cases is state-sponsored assassination or espionage, a little different than what I'm arguing for here. I'm not a nut about it; it's just a theory I like to try on for odd cases like the Musalos of Nevada or Scott Ratigan of DC/NoVa.)

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

I agree, my understanding is they traced NW going into and coming from the back alley.

The 'problem' is, the people who did supply the best footage were likely asked not to speak to the media.

JMO

This is curious to me what back alley do you see, It appears all of these homes properties back on to each other, there is no separation that would create an alley that I can see?

I have experienced police asking for our video during a murder investigation across the street from our home.

Not once did police tell me not to speak to anyone or share it with anyone else, only if they could please have a copy for a specific timeframe, ie they told us the start date with time and end date and time. They did not ask if We watched it or if we saw anything on the tapes, only question was regarding our time clock on the video, it was not changed during day light saving and was an hour off.

IMO police cannot force a victim or victim family or civilian witness to keep facts and details to themselves, especially in the emotional state people are in in a situation like that, they want to help solve the crime, they would be speaking to everyone and asking questions. Again IMO this is why LE policy is to collect all evidence and keep all details private, and why they will not share all details with a family member, how could you keep knowledge to yourself, I doubt I could.

 

[J Sleuth]

This is curious to me what back alley do you see, It appears all of these homes properties back on to each other, there is no separation that would create an alley that I can see?

I have experienced police asking for our video during a murder investigation across the street from our home.

Not once did police tell me not to speak to anyone or share it with anyone else, only if they could please have a copy for a specific timeframe, ie they told us the start date with time and end date and time. They did not ask if We watched it or if we saw anything on the tapes, only question was regarding our time clock on the video, it was not changed during day light saving and was an hour off.

IMO police cannot force a victim or victim family or civilian witness to keep facts and details to themselves, especially in the emotional state people are in in a situation like that, they want to help solve the crime, they would be speaking to everyone and asking questions. Again IMO this is why LE policy is to collect all evidence and keep all details private, and why they will not share all details with a family member, how could you keep knowledge to yourself, I doubt I could.

I recall a mention of a side gate in the back yard that opened onto a path. This was in a discussion of the route possibly taken by the WM I think. I tried to search for this but didn’t find it. There was a sketch/map showing the location in the back yard. Maybe some else remembers this?

 

[dotr]

I recall a mention of a side gate in the back yard that opened onto a path. This was in a discussion of the route possibly taken by the WM I think. I tried to search for this but didn’t find it. There was a sketch/map showing the location in the back yard. Maybe some else remembers this?

Did not read too carefully, but possibly this post?
Map @ link.

M

CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #21'

Jun 13, 2023

I've seen the warrant documents and ITOs. Interestingly, they make reference to the walking man walking on Old Colony Road. It could just be a typo. They may, however, have evidence of him on Old Colony. Here me out.

There is a small side street called Harrison, not annotated in the below map, but going east down Old Colony its the first left. There is nothing on that little street, at the end there is a brush but also a pavement walkway that comes out on the street behind, forest heights. I've confirmed with those in the neighborhood that that path has been there for years. The pavement...

• MrsHenryAbra

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[fadedglitter]

KD consistently refers to his theory that the walking man is a lookout and that a second person entered through the backyard and through the unlocked door on the side of the house. My understanding is that he reached this theory by observing that there are no cameras showing the back of the house, and that the walking man does not physically resemble the individual KD suspects committed the murder.

The police have not said anything specific about the WM’s route except to say “walking on Old Colony Road” in the ITOs. No reference to whether the person walks on Old Colony in both directions, or which other streets are part of the route.

 

[newclues]

KD consistently refers to his theory that the walking man is a lookout and that a second person entered through the backyard and through the unlocked door on the side of the house. My understanding is that he reached this theory by observing that there are no cameras showing the back of the house, and that the walking man does not physically resemble the individual KD suspects committed the murder.

The police have not said anything specific about the WM’s route except to say “walking on Old Colony Road” in the ITOs. No reference to whether the person walks on Old Colony in both directions, or which other streets are part of the route.

Is it all about the height of the NW being under 6'?

 

[fadedglitter]

Is it all about the height of the NW being under 6'?

This is KD during a Star Q&A:

“I also think this person has disguised himself, may not have that walk, may not be portly. I think this person may have been a helper or a lookout. I think someone else was involved, and I think that person entered through the Sherman backyard and through the unlocked door in the corridor. And left the same way.”

MOO: KD seems to consistently engage in motivated reasoning where the killer is concerned and I think he has distracted many people. If the NW was recognizable, there would be no talk of lookouts or secret entry points.

 

[J Sleuth]

Did not read too carefully, but possibly this post?
Map @ link.

M

CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #21'

Jun 13, 2023

I've seen the warrant documents and ITOs. Interestingly, they make reference to the walking man walking on Old Colony Road. It could just be a typo. They may, however, have evidence of him on Old Colony. Here me out.

There is a small side street called Harrison, not annotated in the below map, but going east down Old Colony its the first left. There is nothing on that little street, at the end there is a brush but also a pavement walkway that comes out on the street behind, forest heights. I've confirmed with those in the neighborhood that that path has been there for years. The pavement...

• MrsHenryAbra

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Thanks for the repost. Definitely from around the time of the discussion.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I agree, my understanding is they traced NW going into and coming from the back alley.

The 'problem' is, the people who did supply the best footage were likely asked not to speak to the media.

JMO

Who is ‘they’, the police? And what back alley? I’m just trying to understand. Can you link the information please?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

This is KD during a Star Q&A:

“I also think this person has disguised himself, may not have that walk, may not be portly. I think this person may have been a helper or a lookout. I think someone else was involved, and I think that person entered through the Sherman backyard and through the unlocked door in the corridor. And left the same way.”

MOO: KD seems to consistently engage in motivated reasoning where the killer is concerned and I think he has distracted many people. If the NW was recognizable, there would be no talk of lookouts or secret entry points.

The thing is though, they had the cctv images of the NW very early in the investigation. They said they can’t identify *them*, but they’ve managed to identify several POIs, who must not match the WM’s description. The information about the POIs lead them to developing a theory and generating enough grounds to obtain many ITOs.

So, they have a suspect and other POIs. and the police said the WM may have been working in concert with other people.
The police may be trying to make the connection between their POIs and the WM. And if the WM isn’t a known associate of them, he might be a hired hand, imo.

 

[Cedars]

Who is ‘they’, the police? And what back alley? I’m just trying to understand. Can you link the information please?

Just forget it, I shouldn't have posted.

 

[dotr]

Surprised to see this 'new' UK article, but fwiw..

• 8 Nov 2024
• Billionaire couple's mystery murder as bodies left 'in yoga poses' by pool
• ''Despite never attending law school, the billionaire was notorious for sniffing out legal loopholes, and made a fortune undercutting big-name pharmaceutical companies - generating revenue streams of $1.6 billion by marketing generic alternatives to drugs developed by larger corporations.
  
  He once said of his rivals during an interview in 2000: "They hate us. They have private investigators on us all the time, trying to investigate. The thought once came to mind, why didn't they just hire someone to knock me off. For a thousand bucks paid to the right person, you can probably get someone killed. Perhaps I'm surprised that hasn't happened."