CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[ldlager]

The ITOs have redacted screenshots of the alarm system. Speculation: it was turned on at 11:01 pm, deactivated at 8:10am, activated at 4:34pm when Honey left for her meeting at Apotex, and deactivated later that evening either by the killer or by Honey when she returned.

Thanks!

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

My mom kept hers in her safety deposit box which was almost a problem. We were told that's not the way to do it but I forget the reason. She had another copy at her lawyers but she made it 30 years ago and he wasn't around anymore.

My friend recently passed and he made his will this summer and it was left at his lawyer's office. I would think that Honey, being in the last years of her life, would have done the same thing.

I think if HS had a will or was working on a will I believe her sister Mary would have been the executor or mentioned as a trustee and would be aware of any will or document. I think she would be screaming from the top of her lungs if one was missing with her in benefit. But she never came out and said someone stole the will, to me that closes the case, HS did not have a will separate from her combined will with Barry.

My Parents have died in the last decade and they had a combined will, my Dad was the bread winner and really sole income, similar set up if Dad dies before Mom, she has it all, once she goes, evenly disperse to the children, if they both go, divide evenly between children.

Maybe when HS told someone she was updating her will it was the combined will she was referring, she worked out all the details with the lawyer and then BS just had to sign off on it?

 

[fadedglitter]

It is new in 2024. This is the first time I’ve noticed him report they died between 8–9:30. If you’ve noticed it in his previous reporting, could you please link it?

Good catch. I went back through some of his reporting and the ITOs and I’m not sure he ever stated it quite so bluntly. I found this from a Q&A with a later timeframe (8:45-10, based on “sources”) but this latest news story says the 8-9:30 timeframe comes from the police.

KD has recently acquired police photos outside the court process, and he was scheduled to do another appearance to argue for more documents to be unsealed, but it was delayed to January. That process has yielded news stories from the cross-examination in the past (like “we have a theory of the case and an idea of what happened”) and the 8-9:30 detail may have come from a similar process.

I’m going to keep an eye out for references to this timeline in police statements, thanks for giving me a new rabbit hole to go down!

In the latest podcasts KD speculates that the murders were 30 minutes apart, but it’s not clear to me that that is based on evidence.

 

[dotr]

Domestic troubles, the investigation – and just how cold the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case is

In episode 12 of “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman” Kevin Donovan examines email exchanges, where the case is now and just how

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"In episode 12 of “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman” Kevin Donovan examines email exchanges, where the case is now and just how cold it is
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Domestic troubles, the investigation – and just how cold the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case is

In episode 12 of “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman” Kevin Donovan examines email exchanges, where the case is now and just how

www.thestar.com

Dec. 20, 2024''
''In episode 12 of “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman” Kevin Donovan is joined by producer Raju Mudhar, as the two examine where the case is now and where it might go. But before that, voice actors read emails exchanges that took place between Barry, Honey and others that could show signs of a contentious household.''

 

[fadedglitter]

Summary of this latest episode:

KD thinks police had the rude Barry/Honey emails early on, making them think it was murder suicide. KD thinks toxic emails were normal in the Sherman home. In contrast Barry is straightforward in emails with others, offering financial help to children of friends. Honey emailed friends about plans to come to Florida so they can all get together as couples. KD thinks this means whatever was wrong earlier had blown over.

Lots of tension related to parenting styles that didn’t align. Honey wanted the kids to work; Barry arbitrarily handed over large amounts of money. Lots of tension about Jonathan being gay, and Jonathan did not like how Barry continued to fund FDA. But Barry was still sending emails to Jon about loving him. KD has hundreds of emails between family members who sometimes vetted them with counsellors. Last one: arranging Hanukkah dinner, Alex did not like her parents just dropping in.

KD thinks the Sherman kids never want to stand up and make a public plea for help. Entitled to privacy but surprises KD. Left with his digging. Only Jon and Alex have been interviewed. KD thinks they want it all to go away.

Toxic emails: KD obtained in last couple of months, thinks police had them and maybe others very early. Such a different tone than when emailing others. Challenge for police: what really counts? Lots of red herrings.

Jonathan told KD that Alex believed at the time that he was involved, he said no, I don’t know anyone who can plan a murder in three weeks. Claim of his involvement caused super rift. Sisters aligned. Also a financial reason. Jonathan wanted to run the show after Barry died. Sisters rebelled at that.

Seven years in, TPS says case is active and ongoing, KD believes it is close to cold. He’s been in court, TPS is not interviewing anyone new. Yim is sifting through written information from 7:30am to the afternoon. KD thinks it’s time for fresh eyes.

Latest in court fight: new judge on case. Pringle unsealed about 50%, now retired. KD has cross examined Yim about nine times, now completed and in new year will argue for more scrutiny. Wants to show there are more embarrassing mistakes in documents, more clues about who did it. New judge has different style, is also great, KD feels like it is an appeal.

KD hears crazy theories. Recently a person who purported to be a woman contacted him, said she was driving at 1:30 on Thursday past the Sherman home, saw Honey run out the door, a man wearing a hat pulled her back into the house. TPS have never said how they know they were dead on Wednesday. Gave screenshot of video, stopped it, there’s an image of what appears to be Honey. KD looked in more detail, is deepfake as shadows are in the wrong place. Woman says publish this video still and I’ll know you’re serious and will send you the video. KD said no thanks.

KD would move away from the story if his sources dried up.

 

[Window21]

KD thinks the Sherman kids never want to stand up and make a public plea for help. Entitled to privacy but surprises KD. Left with his digging. Only Jon and Alex have been interviewed. KD thinks they want it all to go away.

This surprises me, why would they not be interested in doing everything they can possibly do to find the murderer? Why would they want it to go away? I believe KD, he has been on this case for years and if he gets that impression, then he is probably correct.

I have read of people that are searching for their loved ones murderer for 20 years, any publicity, help etc they can get, they are on it. For the Sherman kids to feel this way strikes as odd.

I have my 2 suspects, I still hope and pray this will get solved. It appears KD has his suspects too, but is unwilling to share.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

This surprises me, why would they not be interested in doing everything they can possibly do to find the murderer? Why would they want it to go away? I believe KD, he has been on this case for years and if he gets that impression, then he is probably correct.

I have read of people that are searching for their loved ones murderer for 20 years, any publicity, help etc they can get, they are on it. For the Sherman kids to feel this way strikes as odd.

I have my 2 suspects, I still hope and pray this will get solved. It appears KD has his suspects too, but is unwilling to share.

I wonder if it's because they weren't close to their parents? People who search forever for killers of their loved ones are probably different than people who weren't close to their parents. Barry was absent and Honey sounded mean so that could be it.

 

[dotr]

PODSCRIPT.

Suspicion | The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman - S2 The Billionaire Murders | E11 Gift Bags and Blood Stains Part 2 Transcript and Discussion

S2 The Billionaire Murders | E11 Gift Bags and Blood Stains Part 2 - Suspicion | The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman Transcript and Discussion

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''Starting point is 00:05:07This night I think the same person who got Barry to go home early Also suggested he park underground Using a ruse I've not yet figured out But when you think about it, it makes sense for the killers to want Barry to park underground He wasn't a little guy, he was tall and overweight, so he'd probably weigh close to 200 pounds. Getting Barry down the staircase to the basement wouldn't be easy, so that night he drove his Mustang down the ramp. Using the crime scene photos police took when they first entered the house, I'm going to.....
''Starting point is 00:05:49reconstruct to the best of my ability what happened next. Let's start with the garage. It's a big space. It would hold 10 small cars jammed in. The photos show just Barry's Mustang. Coming down the ramp, it appears he made a left and pulled in beside the door that leads into the basement hallway.''

 

[fadedglitter]

KD’s suggestion that the killers lured Barry into the garage to make it easier to get his body down the hallway to the pool appears to be at odds with his suggestion in the previous episode that the staging was an in-the-moment decision not planned in advance. I suppose one explanation is that the killers had intended to leave the bodies in that room, and only the belt detail was invented on the spot. Perhaps the ligature marks bothered the killer in some way, and he wanted to cover them up, and then hit upon the idea of “hanged with his own belt”?

I’m highly skeptical of this notion that Barry was lured; I’m just trying to make sense of KD’s theory.

 

[WINDSOR]

I am disappointed the TPS did not do a press conference to re-publicize the case. It seems they are allowing KD to do all the heavy lifting.

Could the TPS have developed this attitude?

TPS knows what happened, and who did it, but do not care to lay charges, as they are not sure they will get a conviction, and the case will be very expensive for the TPS to pursue further. It really will not make any difference to anybody if it goes to trial, Barry and Honey are dead, the kids got the money, life goes on. Let God sort it out.

We will let KD do our publicity, feed him info, and maintain our deniability, by claiming it is an active investigation.
The TPS knows that in courts which are extremely backed up in Ontario, the defense will focus on the screw-ups and errors the TPS has already made in the case. Likely the trial will be about the TPS rather than the culprits. Same as the O.J. Simpson trial.

Some may see the absolute worst result for the TPS is that they lay charges and go to court. Even if they get a conviction, there will be an appeal, and the defense and the media will likely destroy the TPS. If I were the Chief, I would be happy with things just the way they are today.
MOO

 

[ldlager]

KD’s suggestion that the killers lured Barry into the garage to make it easier to get his body down the hallway to the pool appears to be at odds with his suggestion in the previous episode that the staging was an in-the-moment decision not planned in advance. I suppose one explanation is that the killers had intended to leave the bodies in that room, and only the belt detail was invented on the spot. Perhaps the ligature marks bothered the killer in some way, and he wanted to cover them up, and then hit upon the idea of “hanged with his own belt”?

I’m highly skeptical of this notion that Barry was lured; I’m just trying to make sense of KD’s theory.

I agree. If BS had entered the house on the main floor the killers could have just forced him to walk downstairs to the pool area. He wouldn’t know why or what was necessarily coming. I think KD is creating unnecessary complications or theories that don’t need to exist.

 

[fadedglitter]

It is new in 2024. This is the first time I’ve noticed him report they died between 8–9:30. If you’ve noticed it in his previous reporting, could you please link it?

Aha, found the reference to 8pm (the window cited was 8-10pm at this point).

New warrant in Barry and Honey Sherman murders focuses on business deals

The latest search warrant in the nearly six-year-old murder probe zeroed in on investments made through Barry Sherman’s personal holding company.

www.thestar.com

I don’t know how this is known, or with how much certainty it is known.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Aha, found the reference to 8pm (the window cited was 8-10pm at this point).

New warrant in Barry and Honey Sherman murders focuses on business deals

The latest search warrant in the nearly six-year-old murder probe zeroed in on investments made through Barry Sherman’s personal holding company.

www.thestar.com

I don’t know how this is known, or with how much certainty it is known.

The 9:30 is new.

Also in KD’s documentary he said Honey arrived home at 8:20, but I guess he has new information that places her home at 8:00.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

One really cannot say there is zero evidence about "anyone else on the site" . The TPS has not disclosed all the evidence they have. We know there was at least one killer in the house, and it would not be unreasonable to think there was a second. So this theory may not necessarily be an invention on KD's part. In fact the evidence of how the belts were attached, implies one lefthanded and one righthanded assailant. There might be other evidence, such as two different size footprints on the floor/carpet, that would lead the TPS to believe there were two assailants inside the house.

The number of people inside is not so crucial as how did they arrive in the house, and how did they leave. If in fact they came through the yards of the house's on Forest Heights and into Sherman's backyard, then how did they arrive on Forest Heights. Did they walk, or did they drive and park, or were they dropped off and picked up?

Video of this area should have existed. There might have been some footprint impressions in the two backyards.
If we assume KD has the right connections, maybe he does know.

Today I cannot find the overhead pictures of the Sherman property in the early reports of the deaths, it was helicopter photo showing the entire back yards and I remember trying to zoom in and see any foot prints in the back yard - along property lines, across tennis court etc. and saw none. It was a white sheet of snow and no obvious markings in the snow to show a person walked

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

This surprises me, why would they not be interested in doing everything they can possibly do to find the murderer? Why would they want it to go away? I believe KD, he has been on this case for years and if he gets that impression, then he is probably correct.

I have read of people that are searching for their loved ones murderer for 20 years, any publicity, help etc they can get, they are on it. For the Sherman kids to feel this way strikes as odd.

I have my 2 suspects, I still hope and pray this will get solved. It appears KD has his suspects too, but is unwilling to share.

I can think of a few reasons.

They are convinced they know who is behind the murders and are waiting for enough evidence to convict the person.

And or if they do not know who, are they still frightened they will come after them if they stir the pot.

The siblings did hire private investigations for this case at least once, we do not know if any of them have others still reviewing the case and keeping details private.

If we take JS comments as truth, AK believes he was involved and was afraid JS would shoot her with a gun. How much truth is here? Did AK try to get a restraining order against JS, we have been told they no longer speak and these two seemed to be the only siblings with a close relationship ( that has been reported in media) oldest lives in Vancouver, how close is she to the rest of the family she has been in BC for years, long before murders.

The youngest is now in Israel, JS is north of Toronto and AK is still in the YYZ.

IMO they are not close - most family in a tragic situation rely on each other for support - this family has put distance. Again IMO not overly surprising when both parents are gone, a dysfunctional family dynamic is still like glue keeping family ties together. When the monarch’s of the family are no longer keeping those ties connected they come apart at the seems quickly.

How to explain, my family was very dysfunctional, we had a lot of baggage and drama in our home. I love my siblings but since our parents are gone and we no longer worry about their aging health we have turned inwards to our home life and not as much togetherness or communication as a family. It seemed to happen on its own, less and less we speak, just on special occasions.

 

[al66pine]

Podcast. Jonathan's Stmt. to KD?

Summary of this latest episode:
....
Jonathan told KD that Alex believed at the time that he was involved, he said no, I don’t know anyone who can plan a murder in three weeks. Claim of his involvement caused super rift. Sisters aligned....

snipped for focus @fadedglitter
Thx for your post summarizing the podcast.

I've followed threads on these sad deaths only intermittently, so likely missed some crucial info., and realize this stmt. below may not be a literal, verbatim quote from the podcast or JS.

" I don’t know anyone who can plan a murder in three weeks."

Is this kinda-sorta open to possible interp. that JS does/did know someone who can plan a murder in, say, three months.

Not trying to be a smart aleck, the phrasing just struck me as strange. imo Maybe listening to the podcast will help.

 

[dotr]

Podcast. Jonathan's Stmt. to KD?

snipped for focus @fadedglitter
Thx for your post summarizing the podcast.

I've followed threads on these sad deaths only intermittently, so likely missed some crucial info., and realize this stmt. below may not be a literal, verbatim quote from the podcast or JS.

" I don’t know anyone who can plan a murder in three weeks."

Is this kinda-sorta open to possible interp. that JS does/did know someone who can plan a murder in, say, three months.

Not trying to be a smart aleck, the phrasing just struck me as strange. imo Maybe listening to the podcast will help.

2023 rbbm.

Barry Sherman’s son says his father asked him to repay tens of millions of dollars, two weeks before murders, but Barry was ‘all in’ with son’s business

The road into Jonathon Sherman’s 100-acre compound winds through a forest. A yellow smiley face tacked to a tree warns visitors that cameras are watching.

www.toronto.com

“I don’t know anyone who can plan a murder in three weeks, but I can tell you I was not involved,” Jonathon says.
He says Det. Sgt. Brandon Price, who leads the homicide probe, is “very professional” and when they spoke recently Price did not reveal what direction police were focusing their efforts on. I tell Jonathon that one of Price’s detectives told a court hearing that the estate of Barry and Honey Sherman — who receives and does not receive money in accordance with Barry’s will — is “embedded” in the police investigation. I ask if that is an indication that detectives at some point looked to see if family was involved. “I would hope they have looked at all the family,” Jonathon tells me.''

 

[FromGermany1]

2023 rbbm.

Barry Sherman’s son says his father asked him to repay tens of millions of dollars, two weeks before murders, but Barry was ‘all in’ with son’s business

The road into Jonathon Sherman’s 100-acre compound winds through a forest. A yellow smiley face tacked to a tree warns visitors that cameras are watching.

www.toronto.com

“I don’t know anyone who can plan a murder in three weeks, but I can tell you I was not involved,” Jonathon says.
He says Det. Sgt. Brandon Price, who leads the homicide probe, is “very professional” and when they spoke recently Price did not reveal what direction police were focusing their efforts on. I tell Jonathon that one of Price’s detectives told a court hearing that the estate of Barry and Honey Sherman — who receives and does not receive money in accordance with Barry’s will — is “embedded” in the police investigation. I ask if that is an indication that detectives at some point looked to see if family was involved. “I would hope they have looked at all the family,” Jonathon tells me.''

Why did JS came to generate a total of 3 weeks? What happened exactly 3 weeks before the double murder of his parents? Did he slip with this mention of a certain time span??

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Why did JS came to generate a total of 3 weeks? What happened exactly 3 weeks before the double murder of his parents? Did he slip with this mention of a certain time span??

I wish he would have elaborated. That comment jumped out to me as well. I feel like we are due for a q and a with Kevin Donovan again and that question needs to be asked.

 

[fadedglitter]

KD was presenting JS with various emails in that interview. Three weeks is approximately the timeframe between the November 28 email when BS again asked for the $50-60M and the December 13 murder date.

Agreed that it is a weird comment to make, but JS says a lot of weird things. KD has said several times that he believes the decision to kill the Shermans was made quickly and was not planned meticulously.