CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[INSP MORSE]

Perhaps it’s my (misplaced?) trust in people to behave in good faith, but I think it’s unlikely that anyone who truly believes themselves to have relevant evidence is sitting on it, petulantly refusing to come forward because the police haven’t contacted them directly. The police have made numerous public appeals for information. Anyone with evidence should have provided it by now. If they haven’t, that’s a different type of evidence that reflects very poorly on them.

I think this is just an easy potshot at TPS — well, they didn’t ask ME PERSONALLY for a statement, how diligent can they be, har har…

I believe the answer lies with the neighbours and the suspicious activity with the two SUVs the night honey and baby were killed. No one has come forward regarding the occupants of the SUVs. As I understand the neighbours were out at the time. The neighbours house has since been demolished and rebuilt but also the neighbours have moved. I believe it's possible the neighbours were the intended target, maybe some kind of mixup with addresses and honey and barry killed instead. More needs to be done to look into rhe neighbours and their connections/associates. Maybe the shermans were killed as a warning to the neighbours for some business reason. The SUV activity is too much of a coincidence and maybe people have been led in the wrong direction with the fact that barry had enemies. He may have had enemies but they may have had nothing to do with his murder. It could have been someone else's memories.

 

[ldlager]

Perhaps it’s my (misplaced?) trust in people to behave in good faith, but I think it’s unlikely that anyone who truly believes themselves to have relevant evidence is sitting on it, petulantly refusing to come forward because the police haven’t contacted them directly. The police have made numerous public appeals for information. Anyone with evidence should have provided it by now. If they haven’t, that’s a different type of evidence that reflects very poorly on them.

I think this is just an easy potshot at TPS — well, they didn’t ask ME PERSONALLY for a statement, how diligent can they be, har har…

I think it is possible that some people who may have relevant information have not contacted police because they would fear for their safety if they did so. Would transcripts of their testimony or interview eventually be released and made public pursuant to the efforts by the Toronto Star to have more information made public? Would LE advise certain parties that Mr or Mrs X had been interviewed and provided information?( It was my understanding that LE was keeping the family informed on progress on the case). In addition I am sure some people are concerned that certain members of LE may just leak information to the press or others in this case . MOO

 

[WINDSOR]

I believe the answer lies with the neighbours and the suspicious activity with the two SUVs the night honey and baby were killed. No one has come forward regarding the occupants of the SUVs. As I understand the neighbours were out at the time. The neighbours house has since been demolished and rebuilt but also the neighbours have moved. I believe it's possible the neighbours were the intended target, maybe some kind of mixup with addresses and honey and barry killed instead. More needs to be done to look into rhe neighbours and their connections/associates. Maybe the shermans were killed as a warning to the neighbours for some business reason. The SUV activity is too much of a coincidence and maybe people have been led in the wrong direction with the fact that barry had enemies. He may have had enemies but they may have had nothing to do with his murder. It could have been someone else's memories.

Welcome, INSP MORSE. First that is a wild idea, Barry and Honey were killed by mistake, and the intended victims were the neighbours next door.

If your theory is true, then the TPS has really messed up. I believe KD has mentioned the TPS investigated the two SUV activity and cleared them.

If the killer(s) killed the wrong couple, which has occasionally happened (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-peel-region-5-shootings-investigation-1.7151166)

somebody has some explaining to do.

 

[dotr]

Could this mean KD might have a new article about the Shermans in September?
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In September, we’ll hear from Kevin Donovan on the Barry and Honey Sherman Murders—a topic that has gripped the country.''

 

[INSP MORSE]

Welcome, INSP MORSE. First that is a wild idea, Barry and Honey were killed by mistake, and the intended victims were the neighbours next door.

If your theory is true, then the TPS has really messed up. I believe KD has mentioned the TPS investigated the two SUV activity and cleared them.

If the killer(s) killed the wrong couple, which has occasionally happened (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/police-peel-region-5-shootings-investigation-1.7151166)

somebody has some explaining to do.

Hi Windsor. I'd like to know what the TPS have done to clear the SUV activity or what they mean in their claim to have cleared them. Did they identify the SUVs and or occupants and eliminate them? Who were they and what were they doing? Until we are told then I do not believe it's possible to eliminate the SUV activity as suspicious.

Thanks for the link to the 'shootings investigation article' very interesting.

 

[fadedglitter]

No one has been “cleared”. However, police have said “Other persons that were seen walking in the area on surveillance video have been identified and accounted for.” The only person who has not been identified and accounted for is the night walker.

The police don’t need to say this again every time someone makes a new piece of surveillance video public. They’ve already said it.

 

[Cedars]

No one has been “cleared”. However, police have said “Other persons that were seen walking in the area on surveillance video have been identified and accounted for.” The only person who has not been identified and accounted for is the night walker.

The police don’t need to say this again every time someone makes a new piece of surveillance video public. They’ve already said it.

I agree. First the family, then KD, and various others seem to believe it's the job of police to share all their investigative efforts so that these other people can solve the crime, independent of police.

I'm not quite sure what the idea is. Once they solve it, are these independent sleuths intending to arrest the perps themselves, charge them and prosecute them at trial? Or is the goal to first publish "I/We solved the crime based purely on thinking about it!", then forward a link to police, expecting them to mop up the details by doing the minor, unimportant job of providing proof and then making arrests.

IMO, speculation is just speculation, anyone can do it. Police don't speculate, they collect actual evidence and investigate it for the purpose of proving beyond a reasonable doubt.

JMO

 

[dotr]

August 27 2025 rbbm (unintended bolding)

Police unseal old theory in Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe but say releasing more would hurt case

After a judge’s suggestion that releasing more on the Sherman investigation might help solve the 8-year-old murder, Toronto police agreed only to unseal minor references.

www.thestar.com

Barry and Honey Sherman at party for launch of a Frank D’Angelo movie. Barry Sherman was D’Angelo’s financial backer for all of his movies.
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''In an attempt to find a legal reason to unseal more information, the Star approached Winter and D’Angelo, asking them to swear affidavits giving the court permission to release anything in the police documents related to them. The Star did this with them because, though both loomed large in their connections to Barry Sherman, their names were completely absent from the police documents, despite the fact that both had a close association to Sherman and both gave interviews to police. In those statements, both men say they provided alibis for their whereabouts at the time of the murders.''

''In addition to giving permission for any speculation about them to be unsealed, both men state that they wish their statements to police to be unsealed.''

 

[ldlager]

I agree. First the family, then KD, and various others seem to believe it's the job of police to share all their investigative efforts so that these other people can solve the crime, independent of police.

I'm not quite sure what the idea is. Once they solve it, are these independent sleuths intending to arrest the perps themselves, charge them and prosecute them at trial? Or is the goal to first publish "I/We solved the crime based purely on thinking about it!", then forward a link to police, expecting them to mop up the details by doing the minor, unimportant job of providing proof and then making arrests.

IMO, speculation is just speculation, anyone can do it. Police don't speculate, they collect actual evidence and investigate it for the purpose of proving beyond a reasonable doubt.

JMO

Evidently Justice Porter is also of the view that LE might be assisted in solving this case if they released more information to the public.

 

[fadedglitter]

This does tell us that TPS seriously considered Kerry and Frank as persons of interest but their multi-year investigation has since led them in other directions.

I doubt this comes as a surprise to anyone here.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Looks like there is a second article in the star but both are subscriber only

 

[kritafo]

I was hoping someone had posted the articles. subscriber only

 

[dotr]

Looks like there is a second article in the star but both are subscriber only

Unsure if this is the new article or just an updated one..
Updated 50 mins ago

Police unseal old theory in Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe but say releasing more would hurt case

After a judge’s suggestion that releasing more on the Sherman investigation might help solve the 8-year-old murder, Toronto police agreed only to unseal minor references.

www.thestar.com

'Toronto police have released only a few new details on the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation despite an Ontario judge’s strong suggestion that “shaking the tree” might help solve the nearly eight-year old case.'

''Porter put a scenario to Yim, asking him if it might be time to consider a different tack and release a swath of information. “Someone’s sitting there, they read about it, and they think, wow, I never knew that about the case. And you know what? I heard X say in a bar the other day something that sure resonates with what I’m reading about. Maybe the police would like to know about X.”
Yim replied that he didn’t believe that would work.''

 

[fadedglitter]

Looks like there is a second article in the star but both are subscriber only

It is literally nothing we do not know. I’ll summarize.

Early on, detectives pursued a theory that KW was angry at BS because he had lost a court case just before the murders. They abandoned this theory long ago. “There was never an entitlement to an option agreement.” The “claimed interest” by Kerry and his siblings was “wishful thinking, and beyond fanciful,”

FDA was Barry’s “business associate”, “packaged and distributed soft drinks”; “had some movies for television and theatres”; had restaurants in partnership with Sherman (Forget About It and Mama D’s); and “was on television.”

TPS does not believe unsealing more information would induce a member of the public to come forward with credible information.

 

[ldlager]

Here is a comment from a reader in the Star regarding the article today:

"...The police handling of this case has been suspicious in itself. It's as if they don't want to solve it, which would suggest they know who it is. So who out of all the suspects would the police be afraid to indict? Might they have connections to a larger criminal underworld that would be a deterrent in pursuing this to the end?..."

This raises an interesting possibility that I don't think has ever been discussed here. What if the police know who the killer(s) is/are, but have never arrested the suspect(s) because doing so would jeopardize a much broader and presumably more important criminal investigation?

I know this has happened in other cases, where police do not lay charges because a suspect is involved in or part of another police investigation, which could be jeopardized if the individual was arrested and removed from whatever else they are involved in.

Now I don't really think LE has any clue who did this, but if they do maybe that's why no arrests have been made?

MOO

 

[fadedglitter]

Barry certainly had loose connections to known fraudsters and criminals. This is the foundation of the “follow the money” comments from people like Jack and Joel: perhaps he lent money to someone who could not pay it back and who was deeply involved in shady stuff and overreacted. He had invested in super scammy stuff like a tax-evading yacht scheme. He was duped out of millions of dollars by fraudsters. He invested good money after bad with relatives who were in no position to run successful businesses.

I think this MUST have been discussed here; it’s a pretty important detail.

 

[angelainwi]

Here is a comment from a reader in the Star regarding the article today:

"...The police handling of this case has been suspicious in itself. It's as if they don't want to solve it, which would suggest they know who it is. So who out of all the suspects would the police be afraid to indict? Might they have connections to a larger criminal underworld that would be a deterrent in pursuing this to the end?..."

This raises an interesting possibility that I don't think has ever been discussed here. What if the police know who the killer(s) is/are, but have never arrested the suspect(s) because doing so would jeopardize a much broader and presumably more important criminal investigation?

I know this has happened in other cases, where police do not lay charges because a suspect is involved in or part of another police investigation, which could be jeopardized if the individual was arrested and removed from whatever else they are involved in.

Now I don't really think LE has any clue who did this, but if they do maybe that's why no arrests have been made?

MOO

Wouldn't they have concluded that other criminal investigation by now.

 

[fadedglitter]

Aha, I found the best quote from Jack Kay alluding to a connection to broader criminal activity:

He [Kay] wondered if there may have been “some commitment that he made that he didn’t live up to, because the person that he made the commitment to didn’t deliver on his side.” Perhaps, he continued, that person “might have made promises to someone else, and reacted in rage.”
I [the reporter] asked Kay if he thought he’d ever know the truth. “No,” he replied. “There’s only one possibility: that someone will be convicted of a crime in Toronto, and when it comes time for sentencing will say, ‘I have information.’ That’s the only hope. And I’ll probably be long dead when that happens.”

 

[ldlager]

Wouldn't they have concluded that other criminal investigation by now.

Not necessarily. After all, apparently TPS investigations can go on for many years or even decades

 

[FromGermany1]

Aha, I found the best quote from Jack Kay alluding to a connection to broader criminal activity:

He [Kay] wondered if there may have been “some commitment that he made that he didn’t live up to, because the person that he made the commitment to didn’t deliver on his side.” Perhaps, he continued, that person “might have made promises to someone else, and reacted in rage.”
I [the reporter] asked Kay if he thought he’d ever know the truth. “No,” he replied. “There’s only one possibility: that someone will be convicted of a crime in Toronto, and when it comes time for sentencing will say, ‘I have information.’ That’s the only hope. And I’ll probably be long dead when that happens.”

I don't know, if it had to be "broader criminal activity"? Could it also have been a private commitment in some form, maybe including large sums of money?