CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[WINDSOR]

It would be stupid, if anybody involved with the murders threatened KD.

• If KD was threatened, he would assume he was on to something important, so he would double down his efforts.
• The person doing the threatening, would likely be involved with the murders, and this would give law enforcement another avenue of investigation.
• Those involved in the murders want the case to go away quietly, threats only create publicity.
• If people involved live overseas, they probably do not know or care who KD is.

 

[ldlager]

KD has never admitted to not understanding the ITOs, estate law, the content of the will he was reading, the court judgment he was reading, etc. It drives me crazy and is the reason there is a ton of misinformation out there. The court would flat-out say that references to persons of interest or current investigative activities are redacted, and he would blithely report as though the newly unredacted stuff was the current police theory. Or he would have an actual copy of the will and report that it left everything to Honey, and that she must have had a will that someone destroyed. In the past year or so this has slowed down; perhaps someone with a legal background explained this stuff in a way he finally understood.

On the detective: Rich people like to have liaisons. The detective is doing nothing of any value that I can see, nor would his investigations be useful to the police. His real value is probably as a translator of sorts: he understands TPS jargon and processes and can explain it to whoever hires him. The police cannot give the detective any confidential information. It’s exactly as you joked: a cushy retirement gig.

As for why TPS would investigate whether the Shermans were followed: it’s a double murder investigation. They need to run down all of the possibilities, however unlikely. They got several judicial authorizations for “tower dumps” that would show whether anyone with one of about 300 phone numbers of Sherman associates was travelling with the Shermans. That was a bust. Then they got an authorization that would show burner phones or other unknown numbers travelling with the Shermans. Also a bust. This information was unsealed when the investigation moved on to other things. They also have videos showing the Shermans’ movements on the evening of the murders.

I believe the detective lives in New York

 

[ldlager]

NOK, 'next of kin' ?

Merci

 

[fadedglitter]

I believe the detective lives in New York

I went looking. This is from the Star’s coverage in early 2021:

With the Greenspan probe shelved by late 2019, Jonathon says he launched his own private investigation led by Robert Seiden a lawyer and former prosecutor from the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office who now runs the U.S.-based company called Confidential Global Investigations. He says he hired Seiden because of Seiden’s personal history — he pursued a law career after his brother, an innocent bystander, was killed during a mob hit.

As part of his investigation team, Seiden has hired a former Toronto police homicide detective who has “good” relations with the Toronto force, Jonathon told me.


Bloomberg’s coverage is from August 2023 and essentially says the same thing:

Jonathon has used some of his money to retain a second private investigator, a former Manhattan prosecutor named Robert Seiden, who’s said he chose a career in law enforcement because of the killing of his brother, a bystander in a 1980s mob hit. According to a person familiar with the assignment, however, Seiden is mainly on standby in case new information emerges, rather than leading a fresh probe.

 

[ldlager]

Here is an excerpt of the obituary for JK that appeared in the Globe and Mail today. I assume this obituary was written by one or more family members. Note the parting shot that the writer gave to a certain someone, which I have bolded. I believe Jack knew who was responsible for these murders, and wasn’t able to live long enough to see his suspicions confirmed. MOO

“… Jack's next move in the pharmaceutical business was to Montreal to join ICN Canada Pharmaceuticals in 1973, where he rose through the ranks to ultimately be a senior executive at that company. In 1982, Jack took a flyer and joined Barry Sherman at Apotex Inc. in Toronto (a then fledging company), where he would ultimately become the CEO until his (involuntary) departure in 2018. Together, Barry and Jack - kibbitzing back and forth through their adjoining offices - built Apotex into the amazing Canadian success story it became. Jack and Barry were extremely close (even as they would sometimes grumble at each other like the two Muppet old guys in the balcony), and they shared a steadfast commitment to improving lives through medicine and giving back to their communities. Jack was absolutely devastated when Barry and Honey were murdered. While Jack said he did not believe in the afterlife, we leave room for the idea that there is more kibbitzing going on in a world beyond. After Jack left Apotex, he continued his work on various corporate and charitable boards….”

 

[AddyFinch]

I guess the term 'involuntary" is the new woke term for fired.
I think JK had JS "number", and knew what he owed BS. I would imagine BS & JK spent hours discussing family. JS probably knew this and resented it. Maybe he resented that closeness, and was jealous. But for whatever reason it was a clear firing and removal from the inside track.

 

[WINDSOR]

Here is an excerpt of the obituary for JK that appeared in the Globe and Mail today. I assume this obituary was written by one or more family members. Note the parting shot that the writer gave to a certain someone, which I have bolded. I believe Jack knew who was responsible for these murders, and wasn’t able to live long enough to see his suspicions confirmed. MOO

“… Jack's next move in the pharmaceutical business was to Montreal to join ICN Canada Pharmaceuticals in 1973, where he rose through the ranks to ultimately be a senior executive at that company. In 1982, Jack took a flyer and joined Barry Sherman at Apotex Inc. in Toronto (a then fledging company), where he would ultimately become the CEO until his (involuntary) departure in 2018. Together, Barry and Jack - kibbitzing back and forth through their adjoining offices - built Apotex into the amazing Canadian success story it became. Jack and Barry were extremely close (even as they would sometimes grumble at each other like the two Muppet old guys in the balcony), and they shared a steadfast commitment to improving lives through medicine and giving back to their communities. Jack was absolutely devastated when Barry and Honey were murdered. While Jack said he did not believe in the afterlife, we leave room for the idea that there is more kibbitzing going on in a world beyond. After Jack left Apotex, he continued his work on various corporate and charitable boards….”

I noted this as well. As one individual who was extremely close to Barry, and likely knew most of everything that was going on in Barry's world, I believe Jack had a hunch who the perp(s) were.

Since Jack was devastated by the murders, I wonder if Jack did some sleuthing on his own, or was he so sure of his hunch he did not have too.

Did he share his hunch with anybody?

 

[fadedglitter]

I noted this as well. As one individual who was extremely close to Barry, and likely knew most of everything that was going on in Barry's world, I believe Jack had a hunch who the perp(s) were.

Since Jack was devastated by the murders, I wonder if Jack did some sleuthing on his own, or was he so sure of his hunch he did not have too.

Did he share his hunch with anybody?

Jack became friendly with Frank after the murders. If he shared anything with Frank we don’t know about it…yet.

 

[ldlager]

Jack became friendly with Frank after the murders. If he shared anything with Frank we don’t know about it…yet.

JK and others close to the Sherman’s and Apotex feared for their lives for many months after the murders. JK spoke to LE, but I sincerely doubt that he relayed his true suspicions to many others, and certainly not to FDA.

 

[WINDSOR]

JK and others close to the Sherman’s and Apotex feared for their lives for many months after the murders. JK spoke to LE, but I sincerely doubt that he relayed his true suspicions to many others, and certainly not to FDA.

Are you sure, 'JK and others close to the Sherman's and Apotex feared for their lives for many months'?

I believe JS had pretty tight security when KD visited him at his home, but was it significantly upgraded since the death of his parents.

Did JK think he was a target? Why would he be? What would be the motive to have JK dead?

 

[fadedglitter]

Donovan’s book says:

With the Shermans dead, the four trustees Barry Sherman had left in charge of his estate decided that there was a risk of violence and had hired a team of men who at one time had guarded Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. They were not armed but had experience in self-defence and martial arts and used a sophisticated communication system to keep in touch. Beginning that weekend, the four heirs—Lauren, Jonathon, Alex, and Kaelen—and others, including trustees and senior Apotex executives, had an application called Octopus installed on their phones. If any of them needed help, they only had to touch the app, which would alert a quick response team, in addition to the bodyguards assigned to them.

One of the trustees (Brad, Alexandra’s husband) also filed paperwork with the court seeking to have Barry’s wills sealed because of fears of kidnapping and violence toward the heirs and trustees. No supporting evidence was ever filed. No threats against the heirs or trustees have ever been made public.

I get the sense that Alexandra was genuinely concerned for her safety. She has spoken about her fears.

Rational behaviour goes out the window when a person is scared. And a fearful wealthy person might hire security that’s well outside what others might consider appropriate.

 

[Milhano]

I agree that none of the Sherman children killed their parents.

I don't think it was a group but am curious about this group you speak of.

I'm also very curious of this group you speak of. I agree with the view that it was none of the children but when you speak of a group do you refer to a group that hired an individual(s) to commit the murder or an actual group was in the house carrying out the murder? Thanks

 

[ldlager]

Are you sure, 'JK and others close to the Sherman's and Apotex feared for their lives for many months'?

I believe JS had pretty tight security when KD visited him at his home, but was it significantly upgraded since the death of his parents.

Did JK think he was a target? Why would he be? What would be the motive to have JK dead?

A number of Apotex executives were provided with security for many months. I have personal knowledge of two individuals that received such security.

 

[ldlager]

Are you sure, 'JK and others close to the Sherman's and Apotex feared for their lives for many months'?

I believe JS had pretty tight security when KD visited him at his home, but was it significantly upgraded since the death of his parents.

Did JK think he was a target? Why would he be? What would be the motive to have JK dead?

Remember, no one knew why the Sherman’s were murdered (in fact, we still don’t know). Executives of Apotex didn’t know if the executives were the target. So they obtained security protection.

 

[WINDSOR]

Remember, no one knew why the Sherman’s were murdered (in fact, we still don’t know). Executives of Apotex didn’t know if the executives were the target. So they obtained security protection.

Even the perp(s) were afraid..........of being caught.

Almost 8 years later we still do not know why the Sherman's were murdered.

If we ask what changed and who benefited as a result of the Sherman's deaths, maybe we can develop some insight into the 'why' of the murders.

To stop Sherman's from doing something they were already doing.
To stop something the Sherman's were planning to do.
To precipitate some action as result of the Sherman's deaths.
As the deaths were 'up-close and personal' revenge and/or retribution are possible reasons as well.

Could it be possible some of these reasons were combined?

 

[FromGermany1]

Even the perp(s) were afraid..........of being caught.

Almost 8 years later we still do not know why the Sherman's were murdered.

If we ask what changed and who benefited as a result of the Sherman's deaths, maybe we can develop some insight into the 'why' of the murders.

To stop Sherman's from doing something they were already doing.
To stop something the Sherman's were planning to do.
To precipitate some action as result of the Sherman's deaths.
As the deaths were 'up-close and personal' revenge and/or retribution are possible reasons as well.

Could it be possible some of these reasons were combined?

Regardless of the reasoning: Why both Shermans? That is the most striking and important point, it seems to me.
What did they do together except the building of the new mansion? Not even that, when you are believing, that HS would have received a giant sum from her husband and planned to build HER home in HER name with this money and with the acceptance of her husband.

 

[Charlot123]

Regardless of the reasoning: Why both Shermans? That is the most striking and important point, it seems to me.
What did they do together except the building of the new mansion? Not even that, when you are believing, that HS would have received a giant sum from her husband and planned to build HER home in HER name with this money and with the acceptance of her husband.

First, as it seems, something was going on in the Shermans’ house. Holly missed the philanthropy meeting and hinted at something happening.

So imagine they were killed as the result of this new development. They could not finish BS alone: HS would likely know the motive.

Another issue, the money belonged to both. Holly would get them in case of Barry’s death, right? Well, alone for the first time, she could have developed new ideas and plans.

 

[AndrewM71]

First, as it seems, something was going on in the Shermans’ house. Holly missed the philanthropy meeting and hinted at something happening.

So imagine they were killed as the result of this new development. They could not finish BS alone: HS would likely know the motive.

Another issue, the money belonged to both. Holly would get them in case of Barry’s death, right? Well, alone for the first time, she could have developed new ideas and plans.

Honey wouldn’t get the money in her name, she was the beneficiary of a testamentary trust.

However, whether anyone besides Barry knew this would be a guess. It’s possibly he told his kids. Honey may not have known or may not have understood. She didn’t have a will and didn’t seem to have an interest in the operation of the family finances.

 

[FromGermany1]

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[FromGermany1]

Honey wouldn’t get the money in her name, she was the beneficiary of a testamentary trust.

I mean, she would have received the money during Barry's lifetime, mainly for building the new mansion.