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I really liked this Pope, a good and nice man, trying to make a difference.
He was certainly on the relatively liberal wing of the Church on many issues. There has to be a concern that his successor will come from a much more conservative background and turn the clock back on some of the liberalisation gains made over the past 12 years.
 
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He was certainly on the relatively liberal wing of the Church on many issues. There has to be a concern that his successor will come from a much more conservative background and turn the clock back on some of the liberalisation gains made over the past 12 years.
if i remember correctly, it was expected that we would get a more conservative pope last time but with the conservative votes split between different popular candidates pope franciscus got elected and it was quite unexpected!

i do have a feeling the next pope will be quite conservative again, but you never know! it will be interesting.
 
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if i remember correctly, it was expected that we would get a more conservative pope last time but with the conservative votes split between different popular candidates pope franciscus got elected and it was quite unexpected!

i do have a feeling the next pope will be quite conservative again, but you never know! it will be interesting.
The Vatican has a useful dashboard mapping the geographic spread of current cardinals and those (surprisingly few) who are eligible to take part in the conclave. The eligible ones were overwhelmingly appointed by Francis, so perhaps that bodes well.


Unfortunately it's in Italian, but at least that's better than Latin.
 
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Here's a question for anyone who knows: Cardinals aged 80 or over are not eligible to choose the next Pope, but are they eligible to be elected? If they are deemed too old/gaga to vote, presumably they are also too old to take on the responsibility of the role. Or is that not the case?
 
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Here's a question for anyone who knows: Cardinals aged 80 or over are not eligible to choose the next Pope, but are they eligible to be elected? If they are deemed too old/gaga to vote, presumably they are also too old to take on the responsibility of the role. Or is that not the case?
In theory any unmarried, baptised male Catholic could be elected Pope. In reality the last time a non cardinal was elected was 1378!
 
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In theory any unmarried, baptised male Catholic could be elected Pope. In reality the last time a non cardinal was elected was 1378!
Sure, but I was wondering whether there is an age limit for being elected. If a cardinal is too old to vote, is he too old to be elected? I assume, perhaps wrongly, that the age limit for electors is to ensure that those electing the next Pope are not suffering from dementia or other debilitating conditions which might affect their judgement. If so, then surely the same considerations would apply to being elected. Otherwise the next Pope could be as with-it as Biden.

Or maybe not.
 
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Sure, but I was wondering whether there is an age limit for being elected. If a cardinal is too old to vote, is he too old to be elected? I assume, perhaps wrongly, that the age limit for electors is to ensure that those electing the next Pope are not suffering from dementia or other debilitating conditions which might affect their judgement. If so, then surely the same considerations would apply to being elected. Otherwise the next Pope could be as with-it as Biden.

Or maybe not.
I believe that limiting the number of mentally infirm cardinals in the conclave was one of the reasons that Pope Paul VI introduced the age limit.

The cardinals haven't elected somebody who wasn't in the room with them since 1378. If the conclave deadlocks between the leading candidates and the cardinals decide that a short term, stop-gap Pope is the way to go, then there's nothing stopping them from electing one of their number who's over the age of 80 and therefore not in the Sistine Chapel with them. I think the elderly cardinals all come to Rome for the initial discussions, and I would expect that they stick around in the city for the enthronement of the new Pope, so if one was elected he could be taken from his hotel room to the conclave to be asked if he accepted the job.
 
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I believe that limiting the number of mentally infirm cardinals in the conclave was one of the reasons that Pope Paul VI introduced the age limit.

The cardinals haven't elected somebody who wasn't in the room with them since 1378. If the conclave deadlocks between the leading candidates and the cardinals decide that a short term, stop-gap Pope is the way to go, then there's nothing stopping them from electing one of their number who's over the age of 80 and therefore not in the Sistine Chapel with them. The think the elderly cardinals all come to Rome for the initial discussions, and I would expect that they stick around in the city for the enthronement of the new Pope, so if one was elected he could be taken from his hotel room to the conclave to be asked if he accepted the job.
Thanks, that's really helpful.
 
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My goodness me! Seldom have I seen such evil and suspicious looking young ladies! Imagine the damage they could have done - sending reports of recent volcanic eruptions to who knows who, plus shipping movements, fish catches, lei-making. It's truly terrifying!

Seriously, international travelers need to stay away from US for a while. Maybe if ZERO tourists came through they would take notice. I would not try to cross a US border at this time and I've been a citizen all my life.
 
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No it's not a new thing. US customs and immigration are suspicious of looser accommodation arrangements and travelling around rather than staying in one place. I got the third degree for only having accommodation booked for the beginning and end of a long road trip. They didn't seem to understand the concept of winging it like that and staying wherever you end up that night. However, I was not denied entry, just questioned a lot. That's the difference from a few years ago to now. They actually sent these young women home.
After they were strip searched, shackled and imprisoned. None of those things seem remotely necessary. :mad:
 
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Seriously, international travelers need to stay away from US for a while. Maybe if ZERO tourists came through they would take notice. I would not try to cross a US border at this time and I've been a citizen all my life.

Today my DD and her hubby cancelled a cruise from Australia to Hawaii. They had hoped that Hawaii would be better than the mainland, but after today's news they decided to cancel.

They are now looking at a Singapore cruise as a better option.
 
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Another story in today's Mail, about two young German women detained on arrival in Hawaii and then deported. There seem to have been some suspicions over their work intentions during their stay but another factor seems to have been that "they hadn't booked any accommodation for their five-week stay in Hawaii."

Is the latter a new development? Given that the road trip is a classic holiday in the US for foreigners, surely many people visit without fixed plans other than to drive from A to B.


How did Customs become aware of their lack of accommodations? Did they hack their phones? If they asked them, why did they pull them aside for questioning? Has anyone ever had to provide information about their accommodations when traveling to a foreign country? I haven't, have you?

This sounds very unusual.
 
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How did Customs become aware of their lack of accommodations? Did they hack their phones? If they asked them, why did they pull them aside for questioning? Has anyone ever had to provide information about their accommodations when traveling to a foreign country? I haven't, have you?

This sounds very unusual.
When visiting Jamaica we had to provide our accommodation’s address on a little card before we left the plane. It’s been a while I don’t remember, but it think we left it with the flight attendant? Or someone inside the airport.
 
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When visiting Jamaica we had to provide our accommodation’s address on a little card before we left the plane. It’s been a while I don’t remember, but it think we left it with the flight attendant? Or someone inside the airport.
Thanks for that info. My most recent trip abroad was to Germany. We weren't asked about our accomodations, travel plans, etc.
 
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How did Customs become aware of their lack of accommodations? Did they hack their phones? If they asked them, why did they pull them aside for questioning? Has anyone ever had to provide information about their accommodations when traveling to a foreign country? I haven't, have you?

This sounds very unusual.
When entering the US on an ESTA, you have to show proof of accommodation, hostel/hotel booking confirmations etc, printouts of your bank account with proof of funds to support you for the duration of your stay, your travel itinerary and details of out-of-state car rental payments if applicable and proof of your return flight home. They check this documentation and ask everyone these questions not just those they pull aside for additional questioning.

Edit: That's if you're planning on travelling around a bit.
 
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The US does ask where you will be staying. Not every place, but the main place. I have always had to say where I was staying for the bulk of the visit.

They didn't want to know every place I was staying, because there were lots of little side trips, but they do like to hear an itinerary.

I haven't had to show proof of everything, I think because they know a lot about me. They can see on their screen when I have entered and left the US before, that I used to live there .... they sometimes have asked me questions about previous visits to test me, to make sure I was me I guess.

imo
 
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Seriously, international travelers need to stay away from US for a while. Maybe if ZERO tourists came through they would take notice. I would not try to cross a US border at this time and I've been a citizen all my life.
Canadian relative with permanent green card and no criminal anything is not about to travel internationally or even go to Canada. Our government can no longer be trusted.
 
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How did Customs become aware of their lack of accommodations? Did they hack their phones? If they asked them, why did they pull them aside for questioning? Has anyone ever had to provide information about their accommodations when traveling to a foreign country? I haven't, have you?

This sounds very unusual.
I would imagine that the immigration person asked casual questions designed to elicit information about the women and their stay such as "how long are you staying in Hawaii?", "what are your plans while here?", or "where are you staying?", and the women blithely said something along the lines of "Oh, no fixed plans. We haven't booked accommodation yet".
 
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When visiting Jamaica we had to provide our accommodation’s address on a little card before we left the plane. It’s been a while I don’t remember, but it think we left it with the flight attendant? Or someone inside the airport.
When I have been on small group tours, group members have been required to fill in the card with just the first hotel at which we would be staying, though presumably the tour leader has filed a full itinerary if required.
 
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