Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #1

[blueclouds]

In fairness to Mr. White,

"...Liana's husband, Michael White, didn't speak to the media today, but his brother Bryan, a Brantford, Ont., firefighter/paramedic, made an impassioned plea for help yesterday..." (snipped from your link to the Edmonton Sun, http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonto...132686-sun.html)

is a far cry from "guess who's NOT talking to the media" - your post makes it sound like he now refusing to speak to the media. This is not the case, is it?

But it isn't just from the Edm. Sun. It's other media that hearing tidbits that he's "distraught" and grieving.... WHAT??????? grieving? Grief is for death IMO. I took your advice Sandra - and took a step back and tried very hard to give this man a chance - but from rumours I hear, he's not even looking for her. He's leaving so much up to his family. God, if it was my hubby, I'd be using the media with all my tears and wrenching heartache to keep them coming back for more for all the help in the world.

and it's been 2 days, NOT one that he won't go on TV. Sounding strange to me. I dunno.

 

[sandraladeda]

How about substituting the words "experiencing extreme emotional turmoil" to replace the word "grieving"?

I would think he is not only exhausted, but is simply going crazy with the not knowing.

 

[Casshew]

How about substituting the words "experiencing extreme emotional turmoil" to replace the word "grieving"?

I would think he is not only exhausted, but is simply going crazy with the not knowing.

I'm okay with that :truce:

 

[sandraladeda]

and it's been 2 days, NOT one that he won't go on TV. Sounding strange to me. I dunno.

Won't go on TV? Or hasn't gone on TV? Do you not see the difference? One sounds like he is refusing. One sounds like he simply has not done it. I just haven't seen or heard anything to suggest he is refusing to be interviewed, is he? Have followed closely, Edmonton radio, all the Edmonton papers, CBC, Global, CFCN (affilliate with CFRN)...

Also, it makes sense to me that his family took a day or two to arrive in Edmonton to offer him support. If I was in his shoes, and one of my loved ones were to disappear, I would handle all the spokesperson jobs over to my brother immediately upon his arrival in town.

Perhaps he is guilty as sin, just haven't seen anything suspicious other than the fact that he thought she left the house at 6:15, yet it appears it may have been earlier. THAT will not put the man in jail.

imho

 

[Casshew]

Everyone is a potential suspect in the case of missing pregnant mom Liana White, including her husband, say police.

"In all reality we have to take a look at everybody who has something to do with her life," said acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski. "I think, to be fair, whether it be close family members, aunts, uncles, friends at work ... we have to look at everybody. And that's normal. We do that in every investigation."

Police believe Liana's disappearance is suspicious, but because there's no hard evidence that a crime was committed, they're still treating it as a missing persons case, Ewatski said.

"If there was some evidence that we had that a crime had taken place, we would let you know," Ewatski said. "But at this time it's still a missing persons case. We have no indication that a crime has taken place, if she's been abducted, assaulted."


http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/

 

[poco]

Okay and what makes it change from missing persons to the possibility of it having been a crime. As I recall with SP, it was when it was found out that he was having an affair. Is that right? Was that what turned it from missing person to homicide? Doesn't seem like much to go on. Seems like we heard more about the Laci case than we have about this one at this point.

 

[fourboys]

Search continues for missing pregnant mother in Edmonton

Last Updated Fri, 15 Jul 2005
CBC News

Police in Edmonton are working around the clock trying to determine how or why a 29-year-old pregnant woman disappeared.

Liana White, an Edmonton mother of one, vanished without a trace and hasn't been seen since Tuesday.

Police admit it's a baffling case, but so far they have not uncovered any evidence of foul play.

White left for work early Tuesday morning. Her SUV was found abandoned in a park about two kilometres from her house with the driver's door open.

White's wallet, keys, cellphone and shoes were found scattered in and around the vehicle. There was no sign of violence, no sign of a struggle.

Police are still working on discrepancies between when her husband says she left home, and when witnesses spotted her vehicle.

Marie Olah, who regularly cuts across the lot where the SUV was found to get to the YMCA for her morning workout, told CBC News earlier this week she saw the vehicle with the door open before 6 a.m., while Michael White told police his wife left home for work at 6:15 a.m.

"We had Mr. White come in today to speak with investigators and he came in to co-operate with us and sit and go over information we have and what he has provided us. It's been a few days and he's had some time to reflect what's been taken place. And the interview went very well with our investigators," said Police say White is not considered a suspect.

Police are interviewing everyone close to the missing woman. They say that's standard procedure.

Search and rescue teams have been called in along with more than a dozen detectives who have been assigned to the case. But little progress has been made.

"This is a missing person, this is not a crime as of yet. And that's the way we are treating it. There's no identified one suspect at this time," said Jamie Ewatski, an inspector with the Edmonton force.

Those who know White are baffled by her disappearance. "It's very strange. Very strange. It's not within her character at all just to go missing like that," said co-worker Sherry Unger.

Neighbours like Dena Gallant are worried. "You don't know really what happened. And you just kind of hope for the best, and pray the worst hasn't happened."

Police are planning to expand the search and use tracking dogs this weekend.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/15/lianawhite050714.html

 

[blueclouds]

Won't go on TV? Or hasn't gone on TV? Do you not see the difference? One sounds like he is refusing.
imho

OH Sandra, don't want to debate this point. My last statement on this is this: SEVERAL media have contacted him excessively and practically begged him to go on TV, that having the husband on is the BEST thing to do. Even the police have asked him to appeal further for more leads.

The fact that he is NOT GOING ON TV, tells me he's REFUSING requests.
This comes from a detective that is a relative of mine. He's basically refusing because of "grief".

IF FINDING HIS WIFE is that important and would generate more leads, take some antianxiety meds and GO ON TV FOR HEAVENS SAKE.

So all they can do is re-run is one and only appearance.

 

[lauriej]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/15/1133783-cp.html

The woman's distraught husband and his family have also started their own search.

Police were also conducting forensic examinations of her vehicle and personal effects.

People have phoned in dozens of tips to investigators, including reported sitings of the missing woman.

"There have been a lot of alleged spottings of Mrs. White," he said.

White, 29, is pregnant with her second child. Ewatski has suggested it's possible she may have simply walked away from her life.
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.....unfortunate, that the runaway bride story throws that possibility into the mix...

...i skimmed through the posts here to catch up............have we ever heard what the normal routine is re: taking the 2 year old to day care ? a babysitter ?

 

[lauriej]

http://www.afmedmonton.ca/contact.asp

..lianna is a member of the edmonton musicians association:

http://www.afmedmonton.ca/default.asp

"We are Local 390 of the American Federation of Musicians of the United States and Canada, an international union representing professional musicians."

Liana WhiteAdministrative Supervisor
Canadian Office, AFM [email protected]

 

[CanadianCousin]

All right, I can see where you might have misinterpreted " our imaginations....." It was definitely not a slur on these boards or posters.Everyone I have talked to and met in this area has thought the same thing,...that the husband is involved. Having followed the SP and MH cases as closely as I have, I am well aware of the statistics.
I think for now I'll just watch and listen to the local news for any breaking news. I'll let other people report on what is being said by the media and police.

Jess, I for one would like you to continue to post all reports. I took your post for what it was and nothing more. Sometimes posts are misinterperted to no fault of anyone. I have been lurking at Webslueths for a long time, with maybe 1 or 2 posts, I have no idea...lol. But the one thing I have noticed is that at times, people misunderstand each other and then figure things out and carry on. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the more information that we get, the more accurate the opnions become. Sleuthing is "to act as a detective, to search for information". I think a person needs to specualte in order to be a detective, if that even makes sense....lol.

Anyways, I enjoy everyone's posts and would not want to see anybody stop passing on the media reports, even if they are spun....lol

 

[Casshew]

lauriej, I don't think that is the same Liana White.

I found that today when doing some snooping on the net.... also found few other things that made me think it was a different Liana..

I also found an entry on a guestbook - saying she was in Toronto (dated May 6, 2005) - at a music event...

Liana (Toronto) Friday May 6, 2005 @ 12:41 PM
Hi There! I met you guys at Canadian Music Week '05. I worked for the American Federation of Musicians Canadian Office and you guys stopped by our booth and gave me your CD. I have finally listened to it and then immediately went on your website...I think I've seen every inch of it. You guys are "Great Stuff"...

Love

the music. Best of luck!!! If you guys are performing in town, or ever need any assistance feel free to e-mail me [email protected]

 

[Bobbisangel]

Yeah but that is a HUGE discrepancy! HUGE.
From the time the first call reporting it to the time he said she left.

The police sure did take their time getting to the scene. I notice they keep saying that they received a call at 7:27 but that isn't true. The one lady called twice and was ignored. Probably one shift getting ready to go home and didn't want to start an investigation so they left it until the next shift came on...day shift.

The first report that I read said that she might be wearing hospital scrubs. If her husband thinks he knew what time she left then he should know what she was wearing. A man saw the vehicle at the field parking area at 5:50. That is 25 minutes before her husband said she left home. The vehicle was already there and everything all over with the door open so the vehicle would have gotten there before 5:50. If this gal didn't start work until 7:00 why would she have been at the field before 5:50???

I hate to think another husband is guilty but this story isn't making sense. I wonder if the hubby has a girlfriend??? Ya, Scott Peterson has made us take a good hard look at all husbands. Especially if something looks strange.

I wonder if the cops thought to check and see how far back the driver's seat was and the rearview mirror. Course the husband could be short. I was just reading some stuff on Mark Hacking and the LE noted that Lori's car seat was moved back to fit a bigger person and the mirrors had been adjusted too.

I hope there is a happy ending to this story but I'll be surprised if there is.

 

[newtv]

Hmmm -- so maybe another guy who she is involved with was in a different SUV and was waiting for her in the parking lot (thus sightings of an SUV earlier than 6:00 a.m.) She left for work at 6:15 a.m. and met this guy....and together they staged an abduction before running off together?

and to think anyone would want a "fat" woman-all from the same theorist..

 

[lauriej]

lauriej, I don't think that is the same Liana White.

I found that today when doing some snooping on the net.... also found few other things that made me think it was a different Liana..

I also found an entry on a guestbook - saying she was in Toronto (dated May 6, 2005) - at a music event...

[/b]

..thank you.............it didn't occur to me at the time that there was another liana white........

...sorry for the confusion........

 

[newtv]

All right, I can see where you might have misinterpreted " our imaginations....." It was definitely not a slur on these boards or posters.Everyone I have talked to and met in this area has thought the same thing,...that the husband is involved. Having followed the SP and MH cases as closely as I have, I am well aware of the statistics.
I think for now I'll just watch and listen to the local news for any breaking news. I'll let other people report on what is being said by the media and police.

jess-please dont worry about it- I wasnt hearing you the way u intended-it sounded to me like we were letting our imaginations run wild-like dolts would who cant wait to make a problem from nothing..the truth is when I saw the crying I thot it was fake-but I also did not yet know about the timeline-that just told me more about something not being right..truth is truth and it unfolds to make sense..as soon as it doesnt make sense then its normal to ask why that is? (I dont consider that my imagination running rampant).
I just want to be free to throw out the possibility of what happened based on what I know..versus not wanting to believe its the husband or judging him prematurely.
If he isnt involved I am happy to be wrong-its just not likely. (sadly it isnt adding up from the get go).

I was wrong about the runaway brides fiance-though I wasnt overly invested in him being at fault..then his story became true because it was..that happened within a relatively short period of time.
Stories that add up generally unfold in that direction quickly.
Some woman (many), is being killed by her spouse right now and he is staging a crime scene..sad but true. I would say it is imperative to look at the husband because 99 percent of the time its him.
If thats not so, then look in the next logical place..sex offenders-etc.
(Or to some extent at the same time).
I am puzzled that volunteers did not ocme out and go looking for her in the area right away? Why would that be..it seems to me that the husband should have called his friends and went looking-surely others would have helped?
But please its hard to be overly clear on the net due to the missing info of the body..I am just getting tired of people who dont seem to want to face facts..after all I have learned on this forum I will always make the husband/boyfriend guilty until proven innocent-no matter what he looks like or what he says..once he is eliminated then so be it..for example, steve groen was eliminated right away thru a polygraph I guess and his story was true.
I am glad he isnt involved..but i would not have had any shock if he turned out to be.
I know in a court of law there is a presumption of innocence and so there should be.but I am on a forum not in a courtroom.
So I want to speculate on the possible guilt of the husband because he is the husband not in spite of it..and right now it doesnt look good for him. The timeline will not be his friend if that call was made to the police at 6:00 am by a witness. (Apparently the police did not do anything with it at the time, but there will be a record of that call-I haev no idea how the husband can expect to be believed if that first statement from him turns out to be flawed.
Jess I apologise and just keep on sharing- I'll be more careful.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Here's another detail about the keys: "Police received a call yesterday morning after someone reported seeing a suspicious vehicle parked in a gravel parking lot next to a soccer field. They found Liana White's brown Ford Explorer with a door wide open and keys inside, but not in the ignition."

If the keys were not in the ignition, then it looks like she pulled over and took her keys. I'm still leaning towards the possibility that someone tried to pull her over by flashing her lights to suggest that she had a flat tire or something. It looks like she pulled over, got out of her car with cell phone and wallet in hand and then someone grabbed her. He put her in his car and as he was leaving he threw the phone and the ID out the window.

Interesting that the parking lot was gravel but there was no signs of a fight or anything. With the way her stuff was flung all over that sounds like they were fighting and things were flying all over the place. Of course, the guilty person could have just been standing there throwing things making it look like there was a struggle. If you struggle with someone in loose gravel the cops should be able to tell that there was a struggle.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Are you Canadian? Do you live near the area where this woman was abducted? If so, speak up and if not, take my word for it.

What does being Canadian have to do with how much a woman should weigh as compared to what she does weight? Have you never heard of small boned, med boned, or large boned? What we should weigh by some chart and what we do weigh might be miles apart. Different women gain faster or slower when they are pregnant. Besides, what does it matter how much this lady weighed as compared to her height. The newspaper said they had made an error on her weight and that she weighs around 150 lbs. 5'4" and 150 lbs doesn't make this lady a fatty or any of the other negative words that you used. Seems like all of a sudden you are just looking for a fight.

 

[lauriej]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121470871943_41/?hub=Canada

"Edmonton police further questioned the husband of a missing woman Friday, asking him to clarify certain details in his previous account."

"One witness told CTV News she saw White's vehicle in the parking lot slightly earlier than when White's husband said she departed for work.

"When I first saw the vehicle, that was approximately 5:58 a.m.," the witness said.

"I'm positive of that. In fact, I even can confirm [that time] from my scan card when I got to the gym."

Police have expanded their search, and plan to use teams with dogs to examine fields north of White's home."
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.............why.............IF, the husband parked the SUV there himself, 'staged' the scene , would he then say she left at 6:15? why not say she left earlier.......5:40, 5:45 ? to co-incide with when people would actually see the vehicle ?

...even in early morning light traffic, it takes some time, ( 5 minutes....10 minutes ?) to travel the 10 blocks from the home.........
...the timeline of when the SUV was actually there will be crucial, especially if the husband insists he saw her leave the home at 6:15.........

 

[Bobbisangel]

Actually from reports, his house was searched quite thoroughly the first day she was missing.

When they went in they probably didn't spray with luminol to see if blood had been cleaned up. Hopefully they will do that if they don't find out something pretty soon.