Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #2

[newtv]

I think newtv is occupied with trying to roll her eyes in opposite directions.... lol!

It hurts. I tried it.

:crazy:

sorry friends- i was busy trying to get my eyeballs back where they belong..you can get 20 years for second degree murder and up to 5 yeears for the indignity..he could get 25 years but the difference is on second degree he will get parole- honestly canada is not hard enough on killers-its a shame because he should never see the light of day again imo

 

[Casshew]

OMG just watching N/grace and she is so damn funny- a man went missing on his honeymoon-the wife woke up and noticed he wasnt there..so she went and worked out..?
(imagine the edge that nancy is giving this comment..like - OK..your husband is gone-there is blood in the cabin and she goes to workout.)

There is a thread on this somewhere... missing from a cruise ship

 

[newtv]

In Canada, 2nd degree is intentional but not pre-meditated.

ETA: "indignity to a dead body" charge possibly stemming from the dumping of Liana's remains.

u are correct and yet ya gotta ask yourself if u did not premeditate it then how did u intend it..but manslaughter is accidental..anyhow this guy could be out in 10 years or less I would bet..even less depending on what he cops for a plea..its totally wrong..u can get more jail time for killing a dog than a wife.
Cass may have better info-but my experience is that its not very often that you never get out of jail in canada

 

[newtv]

There is a thread on this somewhere... missing from a cruise ship

on top of it the wife was drunk and cant remember anything about the evening..can u just see nancys eyes as she tells this to the listener..rofl

 

[spygirl]

u are correct and yet ya gotta ask yourself if u did not premeditate it then how did u intend it..but manslaughter is accidental..anyhow this guy could be out in 10 years or less I would bet..even less depending on what he cops for a plea..its totally wrong..u can get more jail time for killing a dog than a wife.
Cass may have better info-but my experience is that its not very often that you never get out of jail in canada

I guess we Americans are ruthless in the pursuit of justice.

:behindbar

 

[newtv]

So with the combined sentence of 25 years for INTENDED 2nd degree murder, and 5 years for the "indignity to a dead body" charge, he faces a maximum of 30 years?

Hmmph.

I am thinking that that is why they added this charge-they want to have every way of making sure he serves time-even if its 5 years..(though u cannot have one charge stick without the other imo).

 

[newtv]

...and yes, he will get a court-appointed lawyer if he cannot afford one..
...there will be a trial either by judge , or by jury..
...he's prosecuted by the 'crown' ( DA'S office ).......sentenced by the judge...

yes there will be a jury trial if he doesnt confess
we have the same system as u pretty much just that we are not allowed to have the press involved until after the trial..
we have public defenders too
its called legal aid

 

[newtv]

There is a thread on this somewhere... missing from a cruise ship

I dont have any interest in the case but nancy was cracking me up. My post is about nancy not the case.

 

[lauriej]

sorry friends- i was busy trying to get my eyeballs back where they belong..you can get 20 years for second degree murder and up to 5 yeears for the indignity..he could get 25 years but the difference is on second degree he will get parole- honestly canada is not hard enough on killers-its a shame because he should never see the light of day again imo

............the way i read it, he would get LWP either way ( whether it was 1st or 2nd..)
...YES...i agree with you completely in that we are too lenient on criminals...personally, i'm all in favour of the DP here in canada as well....

...what's worse..you rarely see anyone DO the maximun recommended penalty...

first degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 25 years (can be paroled under the "faint hope clause" after 15 years imprisonment, but such a reduction is rarely given and is not available for multiple murders)
second degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years (parole eligibility determined by the judge at sentencing) (exception: if the person had committed another murder in their past, parole eligibility is 25 years)

 

[newtv]

None of the links work. Can someone please provide that?

what links??

 

[newtv]

............the way i read it, he would get LWP either way ( whether it was 1st or 2nd..)
...YES...i agree with you completely in that we are too lenient on criminals...personally, i'm all in favour of the DP here in canada as well....

...what's worse..you rarely see anyone DO the maximun recommended penalty...

first degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 25 years (can be paroled under the "faint hope clause" after 15 years imprisonment, but such a reduction is rarely given and is not available for multiple murders)
second degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years (parole eligibility determined by the judge at sentencing) (exception: if the person had committed another murder in their past, parole eligibility is 25 years)

thats what I was just saying-he could be out in 10..and i doubt he will get 25 years-unless he is charged with double homicide..he should be in my opinion..
not sure that i want the death penalty across the board but people like clifford olson and paul bernardo should be getting it- I just dotn want our society going backwards-lock them up forever -its just as bad imo.

 

[spygirl]

No DP, no LWOP, no press, gee....

No wonder it's so exciting for you Canadians over here!

 

[newtv]

No DP, no LWOP, no press, gee....

No wonder it's so exciting for you Canadians over here!

rofl- for sure..never thot about it that way..

 

[otto]

thats what I was just saying-he could be out in 10..and i doubt he will get 25 years-unless he is charged with double homicide..he should be in my opinion..

I think that if there are any mitigating circumstances, like they were arguing and he did something that resulted in her death (unpremeditated) then he could get out in 10 years. Indignity to a human body is nothing more than dumping her body.

 

[otto]

No DP, no LWOP, no press, gee....

No wonder it's so exciting for you Canadians over here!

There is life without parole, but people have to be declared dangerous offenders for that.

 

[spygirl]

There is life without parole, but people have to be declared dangerous offenders for that.

Then Mr. White should be declared, because his crime was intentional.

 

[Jess]

It's been quite an education following this case.
I think that to truly be involved in any case, you really need posters who live in the area. Some facts that were given to the media would make no impression on posters who live out of province, such as the RCMP letting EPD take jurisdiction over the case. Knowing that Project Kare was not there.Knowing how much green space the city has or that the outskirts are so rural. Knowing what the neighbourhood is like. Maps on a national tv station were wrong! Having pictures taken really gives posters a feel for the place.( Thanks Karmarama !!)

It just really hit me how much misinformation I have heard on other cases and probably still believe. Interesting to note that the Global Edmonton reporter said they were informed of the charges by 2 e-mails and one phone call. The e-mails denied that Michael White was charged and that the investigation was ongoing. All the while the national media were reporting that he was charged.Finally a phone call confirming what the national media already knew !! Unbelievable !

 

[Casshew]

I dont have any interest in the case but nancy was cracking me up. My post is about nancy not the case.

Sorry, I was just trying to help you out.. I think that case is totally bizarre

 

[newtv]

Sorry, I was just trying to help you out.. I think that case is totally bizarre

oh gosh- i wasnt saying anything to u for telling me-I was just stating that I have no interest in the case..and please dont feel like i was-i appreciated your effort.

 

[Casshew]

oh gosh- i wasnt saying anything to u for telling me-

Too bad Mr. White didn't disappear off a cruise ship :twocents: