CANADA Canada - Lindsay Buziak, 24, Victoria, BC, 2 Feb 2008

[Danaya]

A lot of people believe that they were involved. That is the ongoing sentiment amongst locals.

What's strange to me is that, according to Dateline, JZ was once the prime suspect. Then police made the decision to announce to the public that he'd been cleared.

Instead, they said they were looking for a male and female, the ones seen greeting Lindsay at the door. Obviously, the couple were the hitters, but did police really believe they acted alone?

Here is a passage from a 2010 article:

"Investigators said they've cleared Zailo as a suspect. But they are looking for a man and a woman who are believed to have lured Buziak to the vacant house.

Saanich police are still working with a number of theories, including one that the killer thought Buziak knew or had seen something.

There's also a possibility that the murder was a mistake, said Jantzen."

- B.C. slaying probe aided by U.S. TV show, CBC, Sep 15, 2010

 

[Professor Moriarty]

RSBM: You know, that's an interesting thought dotr... maybe not trans but maybe a man was dressed as a woman? I think a woman was involved planning and/or actual act but possible a man dressed as a woman too to physically overtake Lindsay.

How many men could pull that off? In a dress (above the knee?). Keeping quiet, to avoid the voice being heard?

Might not Lindsay have thought "Whoa, what's going on?".

 

[kenziekane]

RSBM: You know, that's an interesting thought dotr... maybe not trans but maybe a man was dressed as a woman? I think a woman was involved planning and/or actual act but possible a man dressed as a woman too to physically overtake Lindsay.

A woman who was out walking her dog was the "one" person who supposedly was able to describe the lady in the dress. The male witness who was driving by on his way home from work and lived on Torquay was only able to describe the male. He said he saw the man in the long coat, but he didn't get a good look at the woman. This witness came forward and told Lindsay's father what he saw years later. As for this mystery woman, after all these years, she has never come forward to tell anyone what she saw. I find that very odd and I do wonder if the only person that was able to give the police a description of the woman was Jason himself. If that were the case, then the description of the woman may not be accurate at all. Jason described the man as wearing a two-tone brown jacket hanging just below the waist, a totally different description than the local resident driving by gave to the police. Something is very off!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

How many men could pull that off? In a dress (above the knee?). Keeping quiet, to avoid the voice being heard?

Might not Lindsay have thought "Whoa, what's going on?".

Well not many honestly... but if they had delicate features or good/tan skin, possible.

It is Victoria as well.... it's a funky town. It's very hipster, bohemian/hippie, healthy, new age, witches and progressive (but also lots of old money NIMBYs stuck in a time warp 30 yrs out of date lol ) but walking around it's not out of the ordinary to see interesting looking unorthodox looking people!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

A woman who was out walking her dog was the "one" person who supposedly was able to describe the lady in the dress. The male witness who was driving by on his way home from work and lived on Torquay was only able to describe the male. He said he saw the man in the long coat, but he didn't get a good look at the woman. This witness came forward and told Lindsay's father what he saw years later. As for this mystery woman, after all these years, she has never come forward to tell anyone what she saw. I find that very odd and I do wonder if the only person that was able to give the police a description of the woman was Jason himself. If that were the case, then the description of the woman may not be accurate at all. Jason described the man as wearing a two-tone brown jacket hanging just below the waist, a totally different description than the local resident driving by gave to the police. Something is very off!

The male witness driving home - his description sounds like a long, black trenchcoat is what I envision from that description. I think of a long jacket as a trench and think usually in a beige/tan color or black.

A black trenchcoat would be something a killer would wear to butcher someone. Sorry harsh word, but that's what they did to her How could there be such a discrepancy in description?

I am wondering if the man took a trench type coat off and had the brown one underneath? Then after the murder puts the trench back on to cover up bloodied clothes when leaving?

I'm honestly surprised no more witnesses. That's a fairly busy road. Not intense busy but that road that drives by DeSousa leads to so many other 'quieter' roads. I would think many people use it to get home! This case drives me batty. I want it solved.

 

[Chimera]

This case reminds me of the Beverly Carter slaying.

Realtor Murder | Arkansas Online

Realtor Murder: The kidnapping and killing of real estate agent Beverly Carter.

beverlycarter.arkansasonline.com

Hoping for a break in Lindsay's case !

I am wondering if female realtors should only go to showings -- in pairs ?
Or take a male realtor with you if you're a lady .
So many evil sick people out there.
Imo.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

This case reminds me of the Beverly Carter slaying.

Realtor Murder | Arkansas Online

Realtor Murder: The kidnapping and killing of real estate agent Beverly Carter.

beverlycarter.arkansasonline.com

Hoping for a break in Lindsay's case !

I am wondering if female realtors should only go to showings -- in pairs ?
Or take a male realtor with you if you're a lady .
So many evil sick people out there.
Imo.

Just reading on this, that is horrendous how she died And husband and wife. So senseless and they both sound completely warped and delusional. Sick is right!

I definitely think it can be a vulnerable career JMO

 

[kenziekane]

A lot of people believe that they were involved. That is the ongoing sentiment amongst locals.

What's strange to me is that, according to Dateline, JZ was once the prime suspect. Then police made the decision to announce to the public that he'd been cleared.

Instead, they said they were looking for a male and female, the ones seen greeting Lindsay at the door. Obviously, the couple were the hitters, but did police really believe they acted alone?

Here is a passage from a 2010 article:

"Investigators said they've cleared Zailo as a suspect. But they are looking for a man and a woman who are believed to have lured Buziak to the vacant house.

Saanich police are still working with a number of theories, including one that the killer thought Buziak knew or had seen something.

There's also a possibility that the murder was a mistake, said Jantzen."

- B.C. slaying probe aided by U.S. TV show, CBC, Sep 15, 2010

It's very confusing isn't it. The 2010 Dateline show Dreamhouse Mystery experts all said they believed Linday's murder was personal. Someone in the same business perhaps, someone very close to Lindsay. Then 3 days later the Saanich Police do a press conference and clear Jason Zailo and his family. Even though Inspector Rob McColl & Sgt Chris Horsley appeared on the show looking for answers, they chose to ignore what the experts had said and cleared the Zailos. Noone should have been cleared until arrests had been made in the case.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

It's very confusing isn't it. The 2010 Dateline show Dreamhouse Mystery experts all said they believed Linday's murder was personal. Someone in the same business perhaps, someone very close to Lindsay. Then 3 days later the Saanich Police do a press conference and clear Jason Zailo and his family. Even though Inspector Rob McColl & Sgt Chris Horsley appeared on the show looking for answers, they chose to ignore what the experts had said and cleared the Zailos. Noone should have been cleared until arrests had been made in the case.

I always wonder in many cases here on Websleuths (the Jack and Lily one in Nova Scotia currently - this same thought is being debated) if LE bluff publicly that POIs or any potential suspects are "cleared" or "pass" a lie detector test.

By doing so, anyone they suspect or are keeping an eye on will relax, feel they got away with it and slip up. That's the debate is whether LE actually do this or not. Whether they publicly state so and so isn't involved (where as behind closed doors they may be a top suspect)!

I always hoped Saanich Police where just saying that to save the Z's from suing them or something. JMO MOO

 

[Danaya]

I always wonder in many cases here on Websleuths (the Jack and Lily one in Nova Scotia currently - this same thought is being debated) if LE bluff publicly that POIs or any potential suspects are "cleared" or "pass" a lie detector test.

That's what I was thinking.

I'm not sure how law enforcement could clear anybody from potentially orchestrating this. I'm not pointing fingers because far too often innocent people are wrongly accused. Sometimes, when a cold case is solved, we find out that the offender was never even on the radar. I feel for people who are wrongly accused, especially when it comes to a crime as terrible as this one.

Lindsay's Mom hasn't been very public in terms of speaking to the media so I wonder if something influenced her decision to make that video. I can only hope that it's a sign that justice is closer than we know.

 

[kenziekane]

That's what I was thinking.

I'm not sure how law enforcement could clear anybody from potentially orchestrating this. I'm not pointing fingers because far too often innocent people are wrongly accused. Sometimes, when a cold case is solved, we find out that the offender was never even on the radar. I feel for people who are wrongly accused, especially when it comes to a crime as terrible as this one.

Lindsay's Mom hasn't been very public in terms of speaking to the media, so I wonder if something influenced her decision to make that video. I can only hope that it's a sign that justice is closer than we know.

I was wondering the same thing, Danaya. After Lindsay's mom staying silent all these years, I suspect something may have happened that we are unaware of, or someone encouraged her to do a personal video. Like you, I hope it is a sign that things are happening in the background.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

That's what I was thinking.

I'm not sure how law enforcement could clear anybody from potentially orchestrating this. I'm not pointing fingers because far too often innocent people are wrongly accused. Sometimes, when a cold case is solved, we find out that the offender was never even on the radar. I feel for people who are wrongly accused, especially when it comes to a crime as terrible as this one.

Lindsay's Mom hasn't been very public in terms of speaking to the media so I wonder if something influenced her decision to make that video. I can only hope that it's a sign that justice is closer than we know.

Good observation on Lindsay's mom putting herself out there when she didn't before. Not sure why but curious.

 

[kenziekane]

I took this video from Lindsay's dads Facebook page. It is a very interesting read.

The chap who created this video has done an amazing in-depth analysis of Jason’s behavior at the house, picking up on every intricate detail of what took place the night of Lindsay’s murder.
Watch the video below, it is amazing!



youtube.com
LINDSAY BUZIAK: Early Observations.
***THIS IS MY OPINION!! Allegedly!

 

[Danaya]

Wow! That YouTuber has picked up on some details I've never noticed before, like the ensuite bathroom window, and two possible lookout points. OK, maybe someone else was in the house after all.

Watching as JZ does his initial walk through with police... something about it doesn't feel genuine. JMO

JZ mimicks his hand as though he's turning a doorknob, when there's only what looks like a push down lever handle. That's very strange, coupled with his shouting Lindsay! 3X in rapid fire succession like that.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Interesting vid!

About the Crime Stoppers re-enactment... I know it's a re-enactment and unsure it's total accuracy, but some thoughts:

1. The couple both described as caucasian - so not olive skin, tanned, Latino, Indigenous, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, etc. (I don't recall or my memory is bad that they were indeed described as caucasian so that jumped out at me considering certain suspects mentioned over the years believed to be the couple)

2. And not quite a trench coat like I originally visualized, but a longer winter type jacket for the male. Black pants and dark jacket... easy to hide bloodied clothes if he didn't change.

JZ and the hand/key turning motion... Freudian slip on his part? Did he go there before to scout out the layout of the house and it's yard, entry/exit, layout?

And true about the instant call out to Linday 3 times. When I call my kids from downstairs, I don't do it in a group of 3 shout outs! Would he also be so unprofessional, to yell out at his GF like that while she's with clients (unless he knew before she was in trouble which is another giveaway he likely knew the plan).

I'm still watching the video, just posting what jumped out to me already.

MOO JMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

You know the more I think about it... JZ was either planted at the house during/after the crime or involved or knew of the plan. So why bring along Cohen to tag beside JZ? That is so so risky if things went sideways.

I understand the thought is Cohen was somewhat an "alibi' for JZ to be seen with and unknowingly involved, but why not make Cohen wait in the car while JZ goes in?

So risky for Cohen to go with JZ. What if the murder took longer? What if they were all in the house at the same time? What if Lindsay fought back or ran down the stairs? What if a neighbour runs to the house? JZ had to have known the killers were gone and no one in the house - otherwise Cohen (or neighbours even) could've ran into them downstairs or on the way out, down the street, etc.

I think this was discussed a lot already, but I'm getting a bit refreshed in details after watching the video.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Another thing that's bugging me... I sure wish we had a BC realtor on this thread for some insight into how things work.

The house was first listed in November 2007 with Re/Max Camosun - then went off market then relisted again January 2008 with same female realtor. Police must have looked at who was in and out of that house from the listing time up until the murder.

Is there an online sign in/computer system where all realtors log the showing of houses to clients? So even from different companies to not run into each other at the same time? Two different real estate companies would not want to show the same house to clients at the same time.

When I bought a place and was viewing a potential property, when I was leaving with my realtor another realtor and client were literally walking in however we were not there at the same time. Do realtors know this with eachother from some website or something?

I say this because the killer had to darn well know NO other showings by NO other real estate companies were showing that house at that date and time. No way would they leave that to chance. Lindsay phoned the listing agent to let her know but what about others? Very risky unless someone in real estate was involved to know NO ONE else would be dropping by.

JMO MOO

 

[Cedars]

1. The couple both described as caucasian - so not olive skin, tanned, Latino, Indigenous, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, etc. (I don't recall or my memory is bad that they were indeed described as caucasian so that jumped out at me considering certain suspects mentioned over the years believed to be the couple)

The Mexican population is mostly derived from a combination of indigenous peoples and white settlers from Spain. Depending on the mysteries of parentage and genetics, individuals are born with a wide range of skin tones. If you hear them speak, you can identify their accent - which Lindsay identified as Mexican. But witnesses did not hear them speak.

So, for example: Arturo Beltran Leyva

 

[kemo]

Another thing that's bugging me... I sure wish we had a BC realtor on this thread for some insight into how things work.

The house was first listed in November 2007 with Re/Max Camosun - then went off market then relisted again January 2008 with same female realtor. Police must have looked at who was in and out of that house from the listing time up until the murder.

Is there an online sign in/computer system where all realtors log the showing of houses to clients? So even from different companies to not run into each other at the same time? Two different real estate companies would not want to show the same house to clients at the same time.

When I bought a place and was viewing a potential property, when I was leaving with my realtor another realtor and client were literally walking in however we were not there at the same time. Do realtors know this with eachother from some website or something?

I say this because the killer had to darn well know NO other showings by NO other real estate companies were showing that house at that date and time. No way would they leave that to chance. Lindsay phoned the listing agent to let her know but what about others? Very risky unless someone in real estate was involved to know NO ONE else would be dropping by.

JMO MOO

In California, agents contact the listing broker when scheduling a showing so that the occupants will be gone, the house will be in presentable shape and no other showings will be going on. My guess is that is pretty much SOP everywhere. This does present a perfect opportunity for a crime since it would present a safe place where no surprise witnesses might show up. Without security measures that are now in place, a perpetrator who took measures to conceal their identities, would have absolutely no ties to the property. It presents a perfect opportunity for a robbery/rape/murder.

 

[Cedars]

In California, agents contact the listing broker when scheduling a showing so that the occupants will be gone, the house will be in presentable shape and no other showings will be going on. My guess is that is pretty much SOP everywhere. This does present a perfect opportunity for a crime since it would present a safe place where no surprise witnesses might show up. Without security measures that are now in place, a perpetrator who took measures to conceal their identities, would have absolutely no ties to the property. It presents a perfect opportunity for a robbery/rape/murder.

Also, by scheduling the showing for late afternoon/dinner time, guaranteed no one would be doing a later showing.