Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #10

[MistyWaters]

AS claims his numerous criminal harassment charges throughout 2008 and 2018 impacted his son. I’m sure it did but AS’s story seems mainly focused on himself. I hope somebody close to him convinces him to rethink self-publishing this book. It’s not the right time.

B.C. murder suspect’s father reveals details of troubled life in book
“The father of a British Columbia murder suspect has written a book that sheds new light on his mental health, explains harassment convictions involving his ex-wife and provides greater insight into the possible impacts the events had on his fugitive son.

Alan Schmegelsky, the father of 18-year-old Bryer Schmegelsky, sent a book to reporters this week titled Red Flagged, which he says is a novelization of actual events and fictionalizes some incidents.....

....It’s unclear whether his ex-wife was the target of the harassment in each case, but Schmegelsky said in an interview that at least some of the charges were filed because the boy’s mother feared he would murder her, saying he was schizophrenic and was not taking his medication. He denies these allegations....”

 

[tcfpne]

They didn’t charge with Chynna and Fowler deaths. What evidence do we have regarding the old man? How was he killed? Did he even own the rav4? Nothing supports this

<Admin Note: The "old man" is Len, Leonard, Leonard Dyck>

That evidence is going to be sealed until the trial, if there is one. Or if they are found deceased. I'm still on the fence about CD and LF but with RCMP to charge them in LD's death so fast means that they probably found some damning evidence there and then. Maybe one of them dropped their ID or something - but again, that's going to be sealed as is normal in cases like this.

 

[LadyL]

Really?
Because as far as the media reports the last time someone saw him and his father together was at his graduation....

[sbm]

<modsnip>

if true, it still wouldn't make sense because he worked at WalMart after high school so presumably after he 'graduated' which means the suit was not for graduation

 

[SiciC]

no he never graduated
Kam did

Has this been confirmed? Bryer's father has been outspoken and divulged a lot of info, and he specifically said in his most recent interview that both of them recently graduated and then got jobs at Walmart. You'd think he would've mentioned something about him not graduating, since he said Bryer couldn't drive, came from a broken home, was in a lot of pain, etc.

 

[Zella]

I saw the weight listed at 125 last week but couldn’t find it again. I do wonder how the weight is off by 45 lbs, did he once weigh 170? Did he lose 45 lbs?

BS's dad said 125. I know we're kind of taking everything he says with a grain of salt, but I think he might be right on that one. Maybe not exact number but on the fact he was nowhere near 170.
RCMP not ruling out link between missing Alberni teens, body found near truck, double slaying

I don't know that BS was ever close to 170. Dude looks super skinny in every picture. That was one of the things I noticed last night when I was re-evaluating heights. I think KM has a better chance of being close to 170 despite being shorter.

That Instagram pic of them together--I know mostly we've been talking about the butterflies. LOL But look at how slender he is:

Photo pulled from here:
Serial killers sometimes operate in teams, so if convicted, Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky could fit a pattern

All MOO

 

[scrappinkat]

They didn’t charge with Chynna and Fowler deaths. What evidence do we have regarding the old man? How was he killed? Did he even own the rav4? Nothing supports this

<Admin Note: The "old man" is Len, Leonard, Leonard Dyck>

The police filed second degree murder charges in the death of Len Dyck. That alone supports it. A trial, with all details and facts, would determine innocence or guilt (in regards to the murder of Mr Dyck)

 

[CaptainSanchez]

That evidence is going to be sealed until the trial, if there is one. Or if they are found deceased. I'm still on the fence about CD and LF but with RCMP to charge them in LD's death so fast means that they probably found some damning evidence there and then. Maybe one of them dropped their ID or something - but again, that's going to be sealed as is normal in cases like this.

Respectfully they usually seal indictments to not alert the suspect charges are pending if they are away and may not return if they knew they were facing charges. However they’ve already charged them with one count so sealing any additional would serve no purpose. This is weird and nothing adds up but almost everything that’s been reported has proven false and I’m having a hard time believing this illogical sequence of events

 

[otto]

Canadian law says adults convicted of murder, either 1st or 2nd degree, will be sentenced to life in prison, and the amount of time served before being eligible for parole is what differentiates between the two...is that basically correct? Is parole always an option in time, or is there a Canadian version of LWOP?

Until recently, the only people who spent life in prison were people designated dangerous offenders. That requires a special hearing.

In the past, the max for first degree murder was 25 years before parole eligibility even if there was more than one victim. Consecutive sentencing was recently introduced, so now people can be sentenced to 25 years x 2 before parole eligibility.

Typical sentence for second degree murder, especially domestic, is 10 years.

It all depends on the circumstances.

 

[Trooper]

They didn’t charge with Chynna and Fowler deaths. What evidence do we have regarding the old man? How was he killed? Did he even own the rav4? Nothing supports this

<Admin Note: The "old man" is Len, Leonard, Leonard Dyck>

*sigh * they HAVE been charged, with second degree murder , in the case of Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese..

Obviously, the RCMP has evidence enough that they have been charged with the 1st degree murder of Mr Dyck.

As to how he was killed, the RCMP is quite clear. Gun violence.

Prof Dyck has not been charged, post mortem with the theft of the RAV 4, as far as I know, which, you know, kinda makes me figure out, slowly, step by step that that particular RAV 4 was, in fact, owned by Prof Dyck, the victim.

 

[MistyWaters]

Really?
Because as far as the media reports the last time someone saw him and his father together was at his graduation....
Interesting that people are willing to believe Some things they see in the media when it fits their narrative, but they aren't willing to believe others when it doesn't.

It is possible he attended graduation ceremonies along with his other graduating classmates but he didn’t receive a diploma because he didn’t graduate. As odd as it may sound, this commonly occurs on the premise the “(non)graduate” will pick up additional credits later. It’s much like giving a trophy to each participant in a team sport, regardless of who wins or loses.

 

[Elley Mae]

Common sense would be not to push a spree killing narrative solely based on media reports and SM posts.
Common sense would be to take the information provided by LE and forming an opinion based on that rather than what people are just throwing out there because they think it's going to get them some attention.

Information early on from LE about the Sherman’s death’s was murder/suicide. They were wrong on that one.

 

[CanadianMade]

DBM

Read it as if you were saying they had been charged.

 

[cody22]

We don’t have the death penalty!

We do........barbarianintexascody22....moo

 

[LadyL]

Its the innocent until proven guilty. If police don't want a lawsuit, they won't call suspects anything else.
On the forums these guys are guilty but to police and judicial system they are technically innocent, even if everyone knows what they've done.

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The charge of 2nd degree comes from the fact that there is no evidence that shows that they meticulously planned to murder LD. Going from 2nd degree to 1st is very hard because the prosecution has to prove that it was planned well in advance.

Robert Pickton, who killed 27! people was on trial for 2nd degree of murder of 6 people. And supposedly killed 49 "The Crown reported that Pickton told the officer that he wanted to kill another woman to make it an even fifty, and that he was caught because he was "sloppy""

A 2nd degree murder charge would place these two behind bars, which the prosecution feels is enough at least at this time.

[bbm]

not necessarily well in advance
premeditation can be formed in an instant

 

[Jen-Knee]

They didn’t charge with Chynna and Fowler deaths. What evidence do we have regarding the old man? How was he killed? Did he even own the rav4? Nothing supports this

<Admin Note: The "old man" is Len, Leonard, Leonard Dyck>

So what do you think happened then? Is it just a coincidence that their truck was found near the body? Did some kind soul give their vehicle to them so they could continue on their journey? How come they didn't call their families about their truck? What happened to the Rav they were driving? How did it end up torched? If they are just driving around enjoying themselves how come they haven't called anyone to proclaim their innocence?

LE doesn't just pull names from a hat and charge them for second degree murder. Charging them for the one murder means they have more evidence in order to have those charges placed. Now they can use the time to build the case for the double homicide if they so chose. They do not always charge for all the murders if they have a stronger case with just one, and a not as strong one for the rest. And they do not share their entire case with the media and the people. That doesn't mean someone is innocent.

 

[tcfpne]

Canadian law says adults convicted of murder, either 1st or 2nd degree, will be sentenced to life in prison, and the amount of time served before being eligible for parole is what differentiates between the two...is that basically correct? Is parole always an option in time, or is there a Canadian version of LWOP?

Canada has the Dangerous Offender designation Dangerous offender - Wikipedia
Basically it means that if a person is designated as such, he would probably remain in prison indefinitely.

And yeah, the difference between 1st and 2nd degree is the minimum number of years before being eligible for parole
1st degree - 25years min, crown/prosecution must prove that this was planned and deliberate murder
2nd degree - 10years min, could be a person killed someone without any kind of planning, botched robbery, etc.
Manslaughter - 0years min, someone died as a result of a person's actions, however it was an accident and no one was supposed to be hurt

Shooting of LF and CD isn't 1st degree unless the crown/prosecution can prove that they stalked, targeted and thought of a plan well before hand to kill them.

 

[Trooper]

They have not been charged with anything regarding them.
They have been charged with 2nd degree murder of LD.

According to the NSW POL force website, yes, they have. According to the two NSW police detectives assigned as a courtesy to the RCMP< yes, they have. I have every reason to take those news reports at face value rather than the wild ravings about 'fake news' and other such stuff.

 

[scrappinkat]

*sigh * they HAVE been charged, with second degree murder , in the case of Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese..

Obviously, the RCMP has evidence enough that they have been charged with the 1st degree murder of Mr Dyck.

As to how he was killed, the RCMP is quite clear. Gun violence.

Prof Dyck has not been charged, post mortem with the theft of the RAV 4, as far as I know, which, you know, kinda makes me figure out, slowly, step by step that that particular RAV 4 was, in fact, owned by Prof Dyck, the victim.

When did they get charged in relation to Lucas and Chynna?? Last I head they were suspects only? Did I miss some important information??

 

[scrappinkat]

According to the NSW POL force website, yes, they have. According to the two NSW police detectives assigned as a courtesy to the RCMP< yes, they have. I have every reason to take those news reports at face value rather than the wild ravings about 'fake news' and other such stuff.

Well that’s huge news. Do you have a link???

 

[tcfpne]

The RCMP have not stated that they were charged in deaths of LF and CD unless I missed something.

They stated that they were persons of interest in LF and CD and charged with LD's death.

NSW police is irrelevant as the charges would have been public and posted by RCMP.