Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #10

[Kiantra]

I saw the weight listed at 125 last week but couldn’t find it again. I do wonder how the weight is off by 45 lbs, did he once weigh 170? Did he lose 45 lbs?

Can you include the date and time BS and KM were charged with LD murder please ?

 

[LadyL]

Has this been confirmed? Bryer's father has been outspoken and divulged a lot of info, and he specifically said in his most recent interview that both of them recently graduated and then got jobs at Walmart. You'd think he would've mentioned something about him not graduating, since he said Bryer couldn't drive, came from a broken home, was in a lot of pain, etc.

I edited my post. I've now read both graduated. Not sure which is the truth.

 

[gitana1]

No, I understand. I'm just saying I'm reserving my judgment until the LE tells us otherwise.

The RCMP and LE in Canada do have the financial resources to post a financial reward that leads to their capture. I wish the would've done so.
If someone helped them unwittingly, the person might be inclined to come forward, even if they are reluctant to talk to the police.

And if someone is helping them, the financial reward would be reason to turn them in or reveal their last location.

I just hope they haven't killed another poor soul that did help them unwittingly, and now they are driving their car to some unknown destination.

Ontario sightings might have been a moment where someone actually spotted them, went "wait a second, I know these guys" but they drive away before anyone else sees them and LE can't confirm anything.

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The question if they killed the couple or even the man is going to be up until the court says they did it. Which I hope happens.

We can't say they killed the other two until proven guilty in a court of law.

Yeah we can. It's legal as long as we aren't on the jury. I believe they killed those two. And I'm not afraid to say it.

 

[Curious Me]

Sure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/schmegelsky-father-denies-neo-nazi-1.5227466

"Herb Loomba, owner of the Redford Motel in Port Alberni, said the elder Schmegelsky stayed there about once a month while visiting his son, and he last saw the teen with his dad on his graduation day, wearing a nice suit."

Thank You. Yep, BS graduated and wore the nice new suit. He must have been working at Walmart before he graduated because he used a paycheck to buy the suit. Right?

Do you remember the text copies in an news article of Dad saying he bought BS the $100 cologne he wanted, and BS had already left on the trip? Made me wonder if BS used his father's guilt to manipulate him just a little?...Or maybe it was going to be a birthday gift coming up soon.

 

[CanadianMade]

If you worked for RCMP murder investigations, you would have found some other person responsible for their murders?

That is what you are suggesting RCMP did.

No, I am simply saying that I do not believe they commited all 3 murders based on the facts that have been released. I believe they are suspected to have(yes, charged with one).
LE is doing the right thing in considering them suspects. That still doesn't mean that they Did commit that crime.
It's the media the released it all to the public and turned it into a witch hunt though which I think is why I think LE have even announced any information to begin with.
It IS possible that the only connection they have is that they were in the same area, as I have stated before.

 

[Kubirai]

Bryer's father has been outspoken and divulged a lot of info, and he specifically said in his most recent interview that both of them recently graduated and then got jobs at Walmart.

Bryer's high school and BC govt know if Bryer actually graduated, not Bryer's dad.

 

[SiciC]

I edited my post. I've now read both graduated. Not sure which is the truth.

Neither am I, lol. Just wondered cause I've seen some people say that Bryer didn't graduate, and others say he did. Just wondered if someone actually knew for sure!

 

[PaulR]

What kind of cologne was it?

 

[tcfpne]

Yeah we can. It's legal as long as we aren't on the jury. I believe they killed those two. And I'm not afraid to say it.

You already told me this, I think.

 

[Kiantra]

When did they get charged in relation to Lucas and Chynna?? Last I head they were suspects only? Did I miss some important information??

No they have not unless it was within the last hour. Please provide source and link.

 

[Moonlitnight]

Thank you for that—could you please re-post it at the beginning of the next threads as well?

OT- but regarding the July 22nd stop by the band constables and this quote:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/first-nation-constable-stopped-homicide-suspects-1.5230779

What were KM and BS doing at the reserve for one hour?

I read here that they said they were going to pick up gas.

 

[otto]

Could be.
To Me the fact that it has been two weeks and they haven't laid charges says something though. To Me that says that they do not have enough evidence to do so.

They need probable cause to lay charges. As suspects, they can be brought in for questioning and kept for a long time. It is not a right to have a lawyer in the room during questioning prior to arrest. They can refuse to speak, but they can't refuse to listen, so officers can continue to talk and pose questions while the suspect chooses to remain silent.

A single murder charge is sufficient for arrest. After the arrest, more charges will be laid. They aren't necessary right now.

 

[CaptainSanchez]

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There's nothing wrong with resources being used to try and capture two suspected murderers and to give the families and victims justice. I'd be disappointed if they weren't doing all they can.

I understand what you’re saying but they should just let these boys go. We have no actual evidence just a series of weird coincidences and no need to get military involved for two gamer eboys. The North serves justice on its own. There’s a reason they trusted bear patrol over rcmp, the cops don’t understand the reserves

 

[10ofRods]

Working on charges means they are looking for evidence to connect them meaning they don't have enough yet to charge them.....2 weeks later.

ETA: Just think about it...they were charged with LD's death quite quickly meaning they had solid evidence to connect them. If they had solid evidence to connect the other two they would have already charged them. To me, that means they do not have enough to do so.

Yes. And while LE apparently has been taught that keeping silent about facts is the way to go (to avoid jury pollution), there is no winning here. The defense will use the gap in time to their advantage. "You mean you still weren't certain, even X days later, that these two did the crime?" Power stuff, when juries hear it.

And then, there's the public's confidence in LE and whether they'll be forthcoming with tips in future. Just saying, "We still want your tips!" isn't the same as engaging the public in the task of hunting perps down. If everyone knew (for example) that there was evidence that K&B were once armed with a rifle and that they fired that rifle at or near the van or at the actual victims, they would engage more in helping LE.

 

[gitana1]

Thank you for proving my point....?

ETA: Working on meaning they are still linking evidence. Once again, it has been two weeks and they have not been charged yet. Why?

First it was "Well they just want to question them." Then it was that they're merely persons of interests. Then it was that suspect means they only want to question them (Lol). Now it's that working on charges means they don't have enough evidence.

Your point indeed has not been made IMO. The RCMP has been super clear that they fully believe these two committed all three murders and are working to get approval to charge them with the murders of Lucas and Chynna.

Thus while the evidence may not be as great as what they have for Professor Dyck that doesn't mean they're just wanted for questioning or that being a suspect doesn't mean much or that the only evidence they have is that these guys were "in the vicinity".

I trust LE.

 

[they'll get you]

Memorial held for Australian man murdered with girlfriend in Canada

Memorial held for Australian man murdered with girlfriend in Canada

His father - NSW Police chief inspector Stephen Fowler - told a memorial service for the 23-year-old in Sydney on Friday that his son lived a life many envied.
"He didn't just dream of travelling, he worked and saved and made it happen," Insp Fowler told the hundreds gathered at Turramurra Uniting Church.

Lucas met Chynna Deese in Croatia two years ago and Insp Fowler said the two were "full of happiness".
They had embarked on a road trip around Canada before their van broke down and they were found dead on a British Columbia highway on July 15.
"We are so happy that Lucas and Chynna found each other and had such a great time travelling together, meeting new friends and just milking every last drop of fun out of life," Insp Fowler said.
"They laughed and loved, and touched the hearts of everyone they met."

 

[LadyL]

Canada has the Dangerous Offender designation Dangerous offender - Wikipedia
Basically it means that if a person is designated as such, he would probably remain in prison indefinitely.

And yeah, the difference between 1st and 2nd degree is the minimum number of years before being eligible for parole
1st degree - 25years min, crown/prosecution must prove that this was planned and deliberate murder
2nd degree - 10years min, could be a person killed someone without any kind of planning, botched robbery, etc.
Manslaughter - 0years min, someone died as a result of a person's actions, however it was an accident and no one was supposed to be hurt

Shooting of LF and CD isn't 1st degree unless the crown/prosecution can prove that they stalked, targeted and thought of a plan well before hand to kill them.

[bbm]

again, premeditation can be formed in an instant

 

[CaptainSanchez]

What kind of cologne was it?

Good question with so many cheap alternatives that smell exactly the same why spend $100 for a small vial of overprice chemical?

 

[Curious Me]

What kind of cologne was it?

He specifically mentioned $100 cologne, but he didn't name it. It was within a news article, but on the side of page copies of text messages from father to son, and it looked like BS replied with a request to send a pic of cologne. Sorry, can't remember link.

 

[10ofRods]

They need probable cause to lay charges. As suspects, they can be brought in for questioning and kept for a long time. It is not a right to have a lawyer in the room during questioning prior to arrest. They can refuse to speak, but they can't refuse to listen, so officers can continue to talk and pose questions while the suspect chooses to remain silent.

A single murder charge is sufficient for arrest. After the arrest, more charges will be laid. They aren't necessary right now.

Except for good community and public relations.

 

[MistyWaters]

In Canada it’s common for murder suspects to be arrested and taken in for questioning, and then charges are immediately laid. This is by no means unique to Canada.

The notion that charges must be immediately laid or LE has no right to name a suspect...I have no idea where that’s coming from because it happens all the time here.

“....When a suspect is identified he/she is usually arrested and charged....”
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