Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[copkid]

I have some insight and opinion I’d like to share


The truck and camper.

Port Alberni is a mill town and was formed around the logging industry. This is a town where an old pickup truck would have more value than a new convertible sports car. There is a notable “redneck” culture on northern Vancouver Island that stems from its fishing and logging heritage.


The diesel dodge that KM was driving would be considered to be high value in this area. Its not uncommon to see mid 90’s dodge diesels like KMs sell for $10 000-$14 000CAD depending on condition. Based on the photos I’ve seen it is a 4x4 and in very good shape so this would be a highly coveted vehicle for this area and most of Vancouver Island (with the exception of Victoria area).

The camper is a Bigfoot which means it is a 2 piece fibreglass. This is a much for valuable unit than a more common camper constructed out of wood.

My estimated street value for that vehicle/camper in this area would be around $18-20 000CAD.

For a young male on Vancouver Island, this would be a highly desired vehicle.

I still haven’t found out whether the truck was his or if he borrowed it.

At some point in time, the value of the truck (and computer) to KM and BS was greatly diminished by other circumstances.

If you look at a picture of KM and BS with the butterflies (instagram), you will notice in the background the boom/mast/seat for a self-loading logging truck.

This was a big tip for me in helping to understand where they came from. I was able to pursue this and it brought about some new insight. Some of that I cannot share due to the rules. But that information is helpful and for those who are interested you won’t have to look hard to see where I went.

Based on my research, I’m of the opinion that KM *should* have had an easier time getting local employment (that was better than Walmart) through family connections. I will leave it at that.

2)Bryers Instagram photo of him squatting with the vodka bottle

It’s evident BS was searching for his identity (as we all do) and latched onto slavic culture. He was interested in his own heritage according to AS.

Do you see how BS is squatting, wearing the flat hat? He is only missing Adidas pants, and he would be a “gopnik” which I believe he is emulating.

You can search gopnik and get a better understanding of what it means, but you will discover its embedded in Eastern European pop culture. It is also a big part of gaming.

“Squatting Slavs in Track Suits” is a great facebook page that posts regular fodder relating to the slavic gopnik culture. (Also is Babushka)

Guns are a big part of slavic culture.

I would not consider BS’s interest in slavic culture alarming based on my own local experiences and understanding of generational pop culture. This is fairly mainstream stuff for gamers. Looking at the pieces from my (admittedly) narrow viewpoint, I would opine that BS’s interest in slavic culture was a way of him finding his own identity in a world where that may not have been so easy for him.
Just wanted to touched on those two points.

I keep coming back to the bond the two shared and I think thats an important dynamic for us to dive into.

I have lots more to add to this but I will keep it light today.

So pleased with how well run and respectful this forum is, thanks to all.


Grateful for the coverage of LD and the early photos of him. Hoping for the same from LF and CD, condolences to all.

Great post, look forward to reading more.

 

[otto]

In this Winnipeg Free Press article which unfortunately appears to be paylocked, but wasn’t last night, it’s reported when asked the RCMP refused to confirm the sleeping bag led to the discovery. They also denied they hired a Professional Trapper, as was reported by the Globe.

Traumatized Gillam, Fox Lake residents get back to life after manhunt

Seems like a lot of local Gillam people want to be in the spotlight and to take credit for having some role in the investigation. The sleeping bag was no where near the bodies and RCMP are refusing to back up claims made by one of the locals as having located the bodies.

"RCMP did not provide any further information Thursday, but Cpl. Julie Courchaine emailed a statement denying a Globe and Mail report that the force had hired a professional tracker prior to Wednesday's discovery. And she would not confirm reports crediting a tourist boat operator with finding a sleeping bag on the Nelson River shoreline last Friday."​

Traumatized Gillam, Fox Lake residents get back to life after manhunt

 

[Francie Starr]

DBM

 

[Kubirai]

he could be an additional victim even. he is a important piece of the puzzle and should not be discarded.

But no one resembling him is missing. No such vehicle is missing.

If he was not coming forward earlier because he was afraid, there is no such reason now. Maybe he is now worried about vigilantes who are certain that he murdered the couple and framed the boys?

 

[otto]

The Winnipeg free press has been reporting most of this story from Winnipeg. They only had boots on the ground in the last few days. I would trust the globe and mail who have been in gillam essentially from day 1.

I disagree. There's no reason to think that some Gillam local who found a sleeping bag in Port Nelson had a role in the discovery of the suspect's bodies.

 

[MistyWaters]

The Winnipeg free press has been reporting most of this story from Winnipeg. They only had boots on the ground in the last few days. I would trust the globe and mail who have been in gillam essentially from day 1.

I would trust information released by the RCMP, reported by the Winnipeg Free Press, more than the Globe who’s reports were not sourced from the RCMP.

 

[Gina20]

What are they going to get off the keys? There won't be any DNA or fingerprints on them after the fire. Again, the Australian media making a mountain out of a molehill.

Leaving evidence from a crime scene at the crime scene does call into question the rest of the investigation. As in, has the evidence been cherry-picked? Are pork chops or orange peels more important?

 

[musicaljoke]

As I replied to Otto I stand corrected. I had never paid much attention to the sleeping bag as I was busy trying to get info on the boat and items along the shore nearer where the bodies were ultimately found. I left Gillam late on Thursday the 1st so the exact order of events after that isn’t my area of expertise.

I just checked my correspondence from sources and on the evening that the sleeping bag was found two people believed the bodies were likely in Hudson Bay by now.

Is it possible to get a better description of where the sleeping bag was found. It's not credible that it was found in Port Nelson. The original G & M article said both that it was found in Port Nelson, and that it was found enroute to Port Nelson.

The timing doesn't seem right for when the guide left the village, saw the sleeping bag in Port Nelson, and then reported it to the RCMP.

The distance is too far for such a bulky item to be dragged up stream.

The mouth of the Nelson River has really shallow water when the tides are out, nearly dry.

There are just too many reasons why I don't believe it could get that far. Then, if it had made it to the mouth, wouldn't the search teams have high tailed it to Port Nelson?

 

[Francie Starr]

Actually the boat and the sleeping bag were located about 1km from the bodies according to this article:
Teen murder suspect fugitives never travelled far and probably not for long
Extract: "
On Friday, police found “that one critical piece of evidence,” she said — unspecified items directly linked to the suspects discovered on the shoreline of the Nelson River. A sleeping bag and a damaged boat were apparently among the items, community members said.

At about 10 a.m. local time, Wednesday, a specialized RCMP team found two bodies in dense brush, less than a kilometre from those items."

New
1 km = 1,250 to 1,550 walking steps.

 

[MistyWaters]

I wish I did know the taping date, because I thought the same. I don't know however. But, if you look up the preview for the episode, AS is heard saying he has just lost his son, and knows how it feels to lose someone. So it seems as though it was filmed very recently, after Alan somehow knew his son was deceased.

ETA: Which would also be strange because I believe it still hasn't been officially confirmed that the 2 bodies found were those of Kam and Bryer's, but Alan would likely have information that hasn't been made officially public.

I’m curious how this interview was conducted. In person, Skype or by telephone? I didn’t watch the preview but maybe you know?

 

[Curiouspersonxyz]

Info on removal of vehicle and related Items in this article (Items found near Gillam linked to B.C. fugitives, RCMP confirm )

“The car was found by Fox Lake residents Billy and Tamara Beardy, who were out picking strawberries when they noticed black smoke billowing in the distance at about 7pm.

The couple jumped into their truck and drove towards the smoke before coming across the burning SUV in a ditch and calling the RCMP.

When the Beardys revisited the scene a short time later, the charred vehicle had been towed out of the ditch and its contents lay strewn around it.

They included “cans of sardines, small propane bottles, forks, orange peels, loose change and partially eaten pork chops”, Beardy told The Globe and Mail.

The charred set of keys found on the road beside the fugitives’ burnt-out RAV 4 near Gillam on July 22. Photo / Supplied

Various tools and a blackened set of keys — photographed below by local reporter Kyle Edwards — littered the road nearby.

Volunteer firefighter Ty Blake, who helped extinguish the SUV, said it appeared the occupants had left in a hurry, leaving behind camping equipment and canned sardines or oysters that would help them survive in the bush.

“There were a few pots and pans in there, a few canned foods, a crowbar,” he said.”

 

[otto]

Actually the boat and the sleeping bag were located about 1km from the bodies according to this article:
Teen murder suspect fugitives never travelled far and probably not for long
Extract: "
On Friday, police found “that one critical piece of evidence,” she said — unspecified items directly linked to the suspects discovered on the shoreline of the Nelson River. A sleeping bag and a damaged boat were apparently among the items, community members said.

At about 10 a.m. local time, Wednesday, a specialized RCMP team found two bodies in dense brush, less than a kilometre from those items."

RCMP found the bodies 1km from "personal items." They never mentioned a sleeping bag in any of their press releases.

 

[1987]

But no one resembling him is missing. No such vehicle is missing.

If he was not coming forward earlier because he was afraid, there is no such reason now. Maybe he is now worried about vigilantes who are certain that he murdered the couple and framed the boys?

Whatever the case RCMP I would hope would want to know who the man is before discarding the hwy worker seeing him there. I can see no benefit to her to make up that she seen him. I don't feel I have to know, I do feel RCMP needs to know.

 

[aphoto]

What are they going to get off the keys? There won't be any DNA or fingerprints on them after the fire. Again, the Australian media making a mountain out of a molehill.

You are missing the point. You might not get dna or fingerprints off the keys but you don’t need that. The fact the keys were in the car they were driving is evidence enough to link K&B to the keys. What you could later find out from the keys is that they belong to a 4th murder victim. K&B clearly had a MO of taking their victims personal identifiable belongings.

I have said all along that it’s highly unlikely but it doesn’t change the fact that those keys are evidence and to what degree they are important isn’t up to the officer bagging evidence. All evidence should be bagged and then later combed through to determine if it points towards anything.

It would be a mighty big embarrassment if next week Susan from Winnipeg calls the police because her husband hasn’t returned from his 4 week trip to his trapper cabin. Police attend the cabin and find her husband dead with no evidence of who killed him. Susan describes his keys as having a leatherman tool on them. If police had collected keys from the RAV4 burn site they can compare and instantly link K&B to his murder. If those keys are missing the murder remains unsolved or police waste resources looking for another killer.

Obviously this is all hypothetical but it boggles my mind that some of y’all don’t see the possible importance or future implication of keeping those keys as evidence.

 

[copkid]

You are both entitled to your opinions. I’ll hurry up and verify but even still that won’t enable me to go in to much more detail. Single sourced background information can’t be shared due to the fear of getting the source in trouble.

Up to both of you to believe what you want. I think it’s safe to say I’m the only person in these threads who has been to Gillam during the search for K&B and whom is in contact with multiple people still on the ground. I have spoken off record with lots of people familiar with this investigation. I’m happy to stop sharing the information given to me on background if you want. Your call.

In case you mis-interpreted my response, and speaking only for myself, I am totally enjoying your posts. It is great to have the point of view from someone that has been there and actually seen things with their own eyes. Please stay!

 

[SiciC]

I’m curious how this interview was conducted. In person, Skype or by telephone? I didn’t watch the preview but maybe you know?

Interestingly it appears to be a sit-down, in person interview with a reporter from 60 minutes Australia, named Sarah Abo.

 

[sandbar]

They are not the only suspects in my mind, they jumped into making them the prime suspects and ignored the other person who I feel also should have been found asap and considered a person of interest, but they developed tunnel vision and let him disappear. Now they are desperately searching for something to try to link Kam and Bryer to Chynna and Lucas's murders too, because the other person is long gone. I am surprised and cross that the last person seen with Lucas and Chynna, behaving suspiciously late at night, appears to have been completely ignored.

Eye witness accounts are notoriously unreliable.

 

[otto]

Is it possible to get a better description of where the sleeping bag was found. It's not credible that it was found in Port Nelson. The original G & M article said both that it was found in Port Nelson, and that it was found enroute to Port Nelson.

The timing doesn't seem right for when the guide left the village, saw the sleeping bag in Port Nelson, and then reported it to the RCMP.

The distance is too far for such a bulky item to be dragged up stream.

The mouth of the Nelson River has really shallow water when the tides are out, nearly dry.

There are just too many reasons why I don't believe it could get that far. Then, if it had made it to the mouth, wouldn't the search teams have high tailed it to Port Nelson?

Good point! A sleeping bag at Port Nelson has nothing to do with the suspects.

 

[sandbar]

Baffling really?

The keys were photographed by an AUS outlet and included in a post on the 22nd, that was one of the first pics I saw. Are you @aphoto, saying that no one picked them up till today?

 

[Vern]

I would trust information released by the RCMP, reported by the Winnipeg Free Press, more than the Globe who’s reports were not sourced from the RCMP.

Well, the G&M is considered Canada's newspaper of record; it is usually pretty bang on with the accuracy as well. Time will tell with these deets, but they broke AdScam, Wilson-Raybould, SNC and many more 'biggies' being denied by politicians and federal departments at the time. I'll wait a bit to see what comes up from the cracks in the woodwork, but won't write off their reports out of hand.