Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[Gina20]

Just wanting to explain once again who is in charge of the RCMP. That is our federal Public Safety minister, an elected official, who intervened in this case, and granted interviews about it frequently.

 

[Satchie]

I think the problem with Australian reporting is that they seem stuck on the hypothetical. For example, crime scene photos are posted on social media and the Aussie press says that it has not been confirmed that the suspects themselves are not uploading them while on the run using a false online identity. Can we not stay grounded? I mean the scenario you're giving is pretty fantastical, and the Aussie press is writing some pretty leading stuff. No, don't do that to people.

It's not sensationalism, it's scrutiny.

 

[Curiouspersonxyz]

Info on removal of vehicle and related Items in this article (Items found near Gillam linked to B.C. fugitives, RCMP confirm )

“The car was found by Fox Lake residents Billy and Tamara Beardy, who were out picking strawberries when they noticed black smoke billowing in the distance at about 7pm. The couple jumped into their truck and drove towards the smoke before coming across the burning SUV in a ditch and calling the RCMP. When the Beardys revisited the scene a short time later, the charred vehicle had been towed out of the ditch and its contents lay strewn around it.

They included “cans of sardines, small propane bottles, forks, orange peels, loose change and partially eaten pork chops”, Beardy told The Globe and Mail. Volunteer firefighter Ty Blake, who helped extinguish the SUV, said it appeared the occupants had left in a hurry, leaving behind camping equipment and canned sardines or oysters that would help them survive in the bush. “There were a few pots and pans in there, a few canned foods, a crowbar,” he said.”

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, at the time the locals found the RAV4 in Gilliam they did not know it was related to murders many miles away.

I can imagine the fire was put out and a wrecker was called to tow it away without a great concern for the coins, Orange peels, keys, pans, pork chops, etc. that might have spilled out as it was towed away. It might have been locals taking care of a burned wreck.

The article states the RCMP was called. It may well be that the RCMP gathered this debris when they arrived and connected this burned out vehicle in Gilliam with the suspects and murders.

Just because the RCMP has not reported that they picked up this debris, inspected the burned out vehicle, etc. in a news release does not mean they did not do so. Without knowing what they picked up and when and what importance they placed on it, it is hard to judge - but the fact locals saw debris nearby right after it was towed does not provide a complete picture given what might have been known at the time, IMO.

 

[KR72]

Yeah, I don't get it either. How are the keys important? Of course there were keys. But what is the forensic value?

Personally, I think the difference in style between RCMP and other LE agencies, in terms of giving out info, is driving people in America and Australia nuts. Any shred of information is welcomed and if Australian media can throw shade on Canada, they are going to.

It seems like some people are expecting this case - with the massive, unique, and treacherous territory it covered to be neatly wrapped up like a CSI episode. I don't believe the RCMP are perfect, and I'm sure they'll have learned something from this investigation but I'm still amazed that they found the bodies of the suspects so quickly.

After a few days, I was beginning to think that perhaps BS and KM left the Gillam area, but the way the RCMP hung in there, like a dog with a bone, proved that they obviously knew something more than they were letting on and that they were on the right trail after all.

 

[copkid]

I’m probably putting my foot in my mouth here but is there a possibility there was no man at 11:30 at night that uncannily resembles the missing Texan? Maybe she was too fearful to stop in the middle of the night? If I am out of line please delete.

The missing Texan theory has been debunked by LE.
I believe the road worker did say she was afraid to stop.

 

[aphoto]

So are you still saying it's the second road off the main road in Sundance where the vehicle was found? Because I find it very weird that there are power poles and power lines visible in the photos of the burn site, but no satellite photos seem to show power poles in the area where you indicated the vehicle was found.

I'm not questioning your legitimacy at all, but I find this puzzling. Are the satellite photos old? Do they just not show the power poles? It's just not making sense to me at this point.

The car was burnt on the side of 290. I’m going through my images again to pinpoint it. It’s on the right hand side of 290 just after the first road north of Sundance creek.

 

[grannygates]

Posting again because the importance of the keys obviously isn’t sinking in for everyone. THE. KEYS. COULD. BE. CRITICAL.

You are missing the point. You might not get dna or fingerprints off the keys but you don’t need that. The fact the keys were in the car they were driving is evidence enough to link K&B to the keys. What you could later find out from the keys is that they belong to a 4th murder victim. K&B clearly had a MO of taking their victims personal identifiable belongings.

I have said all along that it’s highly unlikely but it doesn’t change the fact that those keys are evidence and to what degree they are important isn’t up to the officer bagging evidence. All evidence should be bagged and then later combed through to determine if it points towards anything.

It would be a mighty big embarrassment if next week Susan from Winnipeg calls the police because her husband hasn’t returned from his 4 week trip to his trapper cabin. Police attend the cabin and find her husband dead with no evidence of who killed him. Susan describes his keys as having a leatherman tool on them. If police had collected keys from the RAV4 burn site they can compare and instantly link K&B to his murder. If those keys are missing the murder remains unsolved or police waste resources looking for another killer.

Obviously this is all hypothetical but it boggles my mind that some of y’all don’t see the possible importance or future implication of keeping those keys as evidence.

you said the keys were found, rcmp was alerted and the keys are now with the rcmp.

 

[Satchie]

Just wanting to explain once again who is in charge of the RCMP. That is our federal Public Safety minister, an elected official, who intervened in this case, and granted interviews about it frequently.

Intervened as in told RCMP who to consider as suspects and how to pick and choose the evidence to prove it? As in "Ignore the keys!, " shouted Ralph Goodale as he slammed the receiver down on the simpering Assistant Commissioner.?

 

[Seattle1]

The keys were photographed by an AUS outlet and included in a post on the 22nd, that was one of the first pics I saw. Are you @aphoto, saying that no one picked them up till today?

@aphoto - According to journalist on the scene - seems the keys had remained behind.

Renata D'Aliesio‏ @RenataDAliesio
RCMP searchers have wrapped up their search of the Nelson River shoreline and bush. They are now at the site of the torched SUV, where bits of metal and scorched keys had remained #canadianmanhunt #canadamanhunt

1:44 PM - 9 Aug 2019

 

[ldlager]

The getaway car was completely burned. The suspects were found. The murder was solved. The only people known to be traipsing through the burned remnants of the vehicle are media and curious locals.

The bumbling, foolish, sloppy, panicked, improper RCMP are doing their jobs according to their training and expertise. They know what is relevant.

The keys are irrelevant, and I highly doubt that the botanist's family wants his keys returned.

The murder was solved? Really?

 

[Gina20]

Yeah, I don't get it either. How are the keys important? Of course there were keys. But what is the forensic value?

Personally, I think the difference in style between RCMP and other LE agencies, in terms of giving out info, is driving people in America and Australia nuts. Any shred of information is welcomed and if Australian media can throw shade on Canada, they are going to.

What is important in a murder investigation is not to cherry-pick evidence at the scene.

What kind of forensic investigator leaves some evidence behind, making a judgment call to select only certain things of their choice? What authority do they have to do that? Heck, maybe they even brought an orange for a snack and tossed the peels in an evidence bag, after snacking on half-eaten pork chops.

 

[sandbar]

I’ll make some enquiries but I’m not sure my sources will be helpful in this regard.



I don’t know if they were only picked up today but I know they were still there 4 days ago. I understand they are now in the polices hands but I don’t know if that happened today or in the last couple of days. Let’s be clear I am not certain they are in police hands. I’m working on getting another source to confirm it without an ounce of doubt.

WOW
Check the twitter feed of the reporter you were there with, I think she said they were...

 

[otto]

Solved?? I think it’s only just begun to be explored and no detail is to small to dismiss at this point.

RCMP followed evidence to locate the suspects. Job well done.

 

[scrappinkat]

Probably because such a bearded man, driving such a Jeep Cherokee, does not exist.

Or perhaps the road worker who made the original statement has retracted it or changed it because of unexpected duress and concerns for her safety.

 

[Kiantra]

Absolutely seems like exploitation and sensationalism. Especially considering that Alan himself has said he has both substance abuse issues and potential mental health issues, and is going through an undoubtedly hard time of emotional turmoil.. and these Australian reporters were there with cameras in his face to capture every raw moment of it like its reality TV and not a massive real-life tragedy.

Of course it is exploitation and AS is lapping it all up. It has always been about him and nothing to do with his son. AS wants the world to know he’s a victim. I can almost predict the words that will come out of his mouth on 60 minutes.

 

[srper2]

RCMP didn't ignore her report. We are still talking about the bearded man!

Assume all striped Jeep Cherokee owners, who could have been in Yukon/BC on July 14, were contacted. None of them match the sketch.

"Assume"? A few calls to local owners and then no further investigation?

 

[otto]

This is so crazy how the heck did it not become waterlogged and sink? or get hung up on something? What is the distance Otto?

110 km (nearly 70 miles). There's no way it was connected to the suspects. Their personal belongings were on the shore upstream of the rapids. Nothing was downstream except the boat.

 

[otto]

And in the second incident, taking the wallet was obviously secondary. It could have been in the first incident as well.


So are you still saying it's the second road off the main road in Sundance where the vehicle was found? Because I find it very weird that there are power poles and power lines visible in the photos of the burn site, but no satellite photos seem to show power poles in the area where you indicated the vehicle was found.

I'm not questioning your legitimacy at all, but I find this puzzling. Are the satellite photos old? Do they just not show the power poles? It's just not making sense to me at this point.

The power lines are North of the road.

 

[Gina20]

Could it be that no one from the RCMP went to the site of the burnt Rav4 until the keys became an issue in the news?

 

[srper2]

The keys could have easily been buried under dirt/ash. Then perhaps rain or activity uncovered them later. Unless the area was raked upon vehicle removal they could easily be hidden

So it sounds like "forensic" examination of a scene is haphazard? They were sifting materials from soil and ashes at the scene of the first burnt vehicle, and appeared to be very thorough, while the second burnt vehicle appears to have had an entirely different approach?