Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13

[KR72]

Who is Sarah?

Sarah from Australian 60 Minutes.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I have no idea if Ste-Croix account is true but I believe it's easier to speak now that the teens are deceased.

I think it's possible he was advised not to speak during the live investigation. He also strikes me as somebody that would contact his lawyer before going to report the incident at RCMP. MOO

He was on Sm boasting and swearing and going on for weeks now. I know people in Cold Lake. Embellishing as he goes lol. It is all moot now anyway.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Sarah from Australian 60 Minutes.

Thanks!

 

[Schmoosh]

Whatever led up to the crimes, I think these were 2 young men who made some rash decisions for whatever reason, got incredibly out of their depth and just continued to make poor decisions as they panicked and saw no way out. Their bodies were found 8km from the burnt out RAV4, which is around a 2 hour walk, probably more based on the area they were in.

They probably hiked there, exhausted and just gave up on running, and ended their own internal battles at the same time. Really, they had to realize that if caught their next home would be prison and I suppose to them, death was a better alternative.

I recall the two guys who ditched their canoe years ago on the Nelson and had to hike to Gillam:

"We calculated it might take four or five days to travel the 120 kilometres—thinking we could travel 30 kilometres a day,” Höntsch says, over the phone from Dresden, Germany. “On this terrain, you can’t make this distance.”

Their plan was to stop and take a break every 30 minutes for a short rest and some water. After the first half-hour of walking, they were disappointed to find they’d only gone 500 metres. “When you’re walking on the street, you have solid ground and when you push off, everything is fine,” Höntsch explains. “But here, the ground was so soft that you’re sinking in. This took a lot out of you. It takes more energy to lift your feet up and down then it does to move them forward.”

Can the fugitives survive the Manitoba wilderness? Ask these German tourists. - Macleans.ca

 

[otto]

Agreed. I've never heard any mention of either one of them having a girlfriend or dating. I don't recall either having any female friends--at least none who came forward. It was always other guys. I suspect Bryer was probably really awkward around girls, and Kam may have also been quite shy around them, too.

Maybe Kam likes Bryer and Bryer is not gay. That would make Bryer the leader and Kam trying to constantly please him.

 

[Jen-Knee]

This site might be helpful for finding possible camping spots.

RV Camping in Fort Nelson British Columbia: 7 Campgrounds in the Fort Nelson area - Campendium

 

[otto]

Sarah from Australian 60 Minutes.

The reporter who is interviewing the mentally confused father of one of the suspects is a halfwit?

 

[otto]

I recall the two guys who ditched their canoe years ago on the Nelson and had to hike to Gillam:
"We calculated it might take four or five days to travel the 120 kilometres—thinking we could travel 30 kilometres a day,” Höntsch says, over the phone from Dresden, Germany. “On this terrain, you can’t make this distance.”

Their plan was to stop and take a break every 30 minutes for a short rest and some water. After the first half-hour of walking, they were disappointed to find they’d only gone 500 metres. “When you’re walking on the street, you have solid ground and when you push off, everything is fine,” Höntsch explains. “But here, the ground was so soft that you’re sinking in. This took a lot out of you. It takes more energy to lift your feet up and down then it does to move them forward.”

Can the fugitives survive the Manitoba wilderness? Ask these German tourists. - Macleans.ca

So maybe the suspects walked for 2 days to cover 2 x 500 metres (1km, 0.6M).

 

[NJSleuth91]

SBM



I keep wanting to drop that "speak of politics" line from BS on some unsuspecting soul, but it's so creepy, I'm afraid to use it on anyone outside of this forum who wouldn't get the reference!

You know what I just thought of? When Bryer sent that text he had NO idea that months later, it would become a running joke among dozens of random people on an internet forum. Isn't that so weird to think about?

 

[Snoop Sister]

The reporter who is interviewing the mentally confused father of one of the suspects is a halfwit?

 

[otto]

This site might be helpful for finding possible camping spots.

RV Camping in Fort Nelson British Columbia: 7 Campgrounds in the Fort Nelson area - Campendium

That would be like camping with families. Was that their thing, or would they choose a pullout?

 

[Zella]

You know what I just thought of? When Bryer sent that text he had NO idea that months later, it would become a running joke among dozens of random people on an internet forum. Isn't that so weird to think about?

If it were under different circumstances, I would feel really bad for him for how painfully awkward that attempt at interacting with someone came across.

 

[Snoop Sister]

A lot to unpack in all the recent updates and threads. Now that the unease is laid to rest of them still being alive and out there, my heart aches for every one involved, the victims & their families, BS and KM, and their families too.

To know your son/brother/grandson/nephew committed heinous acts and you didnt see it coming leaves a lot for their families to sift through and try to reason with. They will also be forever scarred from this situation and it will be a long time before they can return to any semblance of normalcy.

I am sure LE will eventually shed light onto how and why this happened, as much as they are able to share with the public, which will not be every thing.

The real take away from this for me is that hindsight is a *****, but how does anyone think these kind of things would be acted out by their loved one?

Whatever led up to the crimes, I think these were 2 young men who made some rash decisions for whatever reason, got incredibly out of their depth and just continued to make poor decisions as they panicked and saw no way out. Their bodies were found 8km from the burnt out RAV4, which is around a 2 hour walk, probably more based on the area they were in.

They probably hiked there, exhausted and just gave up on running, and ended their own internal battles at the same time. Really, they had to realize that if caught their next home would be prison and I suppose to them, death was a better alternative.


I in no way excuse any of their terrible choices over the last few weeks, but I do have sympathy for undiagnosed mental health problems and a lack of resources to remedy failing minds/lost souls.

A lot of families were torn apart during this entire ordeal. I particularly feel sad for KMs sister, as before his facebook was shut down the only posts visible to the public were ones where she had obviously gone onto his facebook and updated it with silly things like "(her name) is the best sister ever!!!" Etc.

Terrible all around. RIP to that beautiful couple and to that kindly looking botanist. I am a botanist as well so that one particularly hit close to home.

Awesome post

 

[otto]

You know what I just thought of? When Bryer sent that text he had NO idea that months later, it would become a running joke among dozens of random people on an internet forum. Isn't that so weird to think about?

Irony

 

[Schmoosh]

So maybe the suspects walked for 2 days to cover 2 x 500 metres (1km, 0.6M).

Yeah, and the Germans said they constantly had to keep each other from giving up, at least during the latter part.

 

[modernpenny]

I recall the two guys who ditched their canoe years ago on the Nelson and had to hike to Gillam:

"We calculated it might take four or five days to travel the 120 kilometres—thinking we could travel 30 kilometres a day,” Höntsch says, over the phone from Dresden, Germany. “On this terrain, you can’t make this distance.”

Their plan was to stop and take a break every 30 minutes for a short rest and some water. After the first half-hour of walking, they were disappointed to find they’d only gone 500 metres. “When you’re walking on the street, you have solid ground and when you push off, everything is fine,” Höntsch explains. “But here, the ground was so soft that you’re sinking in. This took a lot out of you. It takes more energy to lift your feet up and down then it does to move them forward.”

Can the fugitives survive the Manitoba wilderness? Ask these German tourists. - Macleans.ca

Thanks for this. I suppose then it's okay to imagine they might have hiked for several days/perhaps used that boat and the wildness of northern Manitoba beat their spirits down to the point of giving up completely. I grew up in SK and oh my god the bugs were INSANE. You would go for a walk and be completely swarmed and have to run indoors. It literally makes you feel crazy, its relentless.

 

[Schmoosh]

You know what I just thought of? When Bryer sent that text he had NO idea that months later, it would become a running joke among dozens of random people on an internet forum. Isn't that so weird to think about?

*clears text history*

 

[otto]

The reason I'm wondering if Lucas and Chynna stayed in a pullout between Fort Nelson and Liard Hot Springs is because it tells us their state of mind when they were stranded on the side of the highway. They would have been relaxed in thinking that it was a beautiful place, they had plenty of food and water, why not stay the night and sort out the engine in the morning.

People are advised against, and discouraged from, staying alone overnight at pullouts, or on the side of a highway, anywhere in Canada for their safety and the safety of others. If everything worked out the first night, they would have been more relaxed doing it again.

 

[SnooperDuper]

So maybe the suspects walked for 2 days to cover 2 x 500 metres (1km, 0.6M).

No it took the Germans 1/2 hr to walk 500 m so it would have taken them 1 hr to do 1 km (whereas in the clear one might do 5 km/hr or 1 km in 12 minutes)

 

[otto]

Yeah, and the Germans said they constantly had to keep each other from giving up, at least during the latter part.

Given their direction when they were found, they were heading back towards Sundance, The SAR spokesperson said it looked like they gave it up and the remaining question was homicide and suicide.

If they had a 22, how hard is it to commit suicide with a 22 rifle?