Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #15

[LoisLane]

Except the pair left Port Alberni on July 12th and were sighted in Meadow Lake, Sask at the Co-Op via CCTV on July 21st. Their truck was found burning on July 19th and before that they were sighted around Dease Lake and in Jade City. So I don’t think that robbery fits into the timeline. But indeed it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities if the guns were stolen from somewhere.

I know. The dates are off by about a week. But the dates were estimated for the break in so there could be wiggle room to the time of theft.

 

[Zella]

If I recall correctly, KM was class of 2018, and BS class of 2019. For as little as we know about KM, his dad/family issued this statement when he was missing:

“My family and I do know that Kam is a kind, considerate and caring young man who has always been concerned about other people’s feelings. As we are trapped in our homes due to media people, we try to wrap her head around what is happening. We hope that Kam will come home to us safely so we can all get to the bottom of this story."

I think that KM's parent's likely tolerated BS. I also think both families had to be encouraged when the teens landed employment at Walmart -- perhaps for the first time.

Kam allegedly made a joke with man that pulled their stuck vehicle to the road-- telling him his parents said to go for a long joy ride.

I don't think either of these guys had any desire to "launch" in the traditional sense, and this was their way out. And I hate that they included innocent, content, people in their plan.

MOO

I have wondered if the statement from Kam's dad is a bit of the same as the one from Bryer's dad in that neither one of them had real reason to think the other kid was a bad influence but once the 2 teens are suspected of murder, the natural inclination is to assume the one who isn't yours is the bad element and the instigator.

Bryer's dad was more blatant about it but still danced around the issue with "not trying to offend Kam's family" but "my son didn't have a vehicle, couldn't drive, and didn't have access to real guns," with the implication being that since this murder rampage involved a road trip and guns, that must be on Kam.

I don't remember the sequence of who released what first, but I wonder if between the lines, Kam's dad is basically saying not trying to offend Bryer's family but my son is kind, caring, and considerate, so a murder rampage that is the exact opposite of treating people with kindness, care, and consideration, that must be on Bryer.

Again, not saying either one actually had concerns about their son's friends before this happened, but I think their instinct is to take what they think they know about their child and assume that actions suggesting the opposite are the fault of the other suspect.

Just MOO

 

[whiterhino]

Still getting my bearings with this case but have been lurking for awhile...

I keep reading comments about a sleeping bag and was wondering who else has read the Wikipedia article about the video game Rust? I don't think I can link anything here but what I read sent up red flags.

I was reading over the Wiki article and it mentions something about how at the "end of the game" players are offered a chance to start over and it's somehow connected to a sleeping bag. The term used is respawning and it's mentioned at the end of the "gameplay" section.

I don't even know what I'm trying to say it just stood out to me. Clearly these two had some kind of Folie a Deux/ suicide pact.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I could definitely see any parent being irritated with him if he had finished school, didn't get a job for months, then got one, and only lasted a few weeks before quitting and then announcing he was going to go look somewhere else. I'd feel the same way if I were Bryer's parental figure and he pulled the whole, "I worked for 5 weeks, but I am out of here!" routine.

Even if they weren't concerned about the friendship with Bryer, I could easily see Kam's parents sending him off with a "You need a job, and you better keep this next one for longer than 5 weeks."

Also maybe a "going up north will toughen them up and they will grow up" sort of thing, like a rite of passage. Sadly, technically it kind of was that, but THE worst possible interpretation of that.

There are no known issues with Kam and / or his parents. Wild speculation abounds.
Kam's family has remained respectful of the difficult situations facing families.

And? We're allowed to speculate on here. Just not about certain things outlined in the TOS. These are all just theories and we all are aware we could be totally wrong. I've speculated about many contradictory theories.

And, also, obviously there are known issues with Kam...he participated in three murders and killed himself...dude had issues.

 

[MistyWaters]

Thanks I saw the discussion about the grad stuff but it seemed confusing lol.

So Kam still wasting away a year later possibly. Maybe his parents put their foot down and only recently started to worry after their son ONLY wants to get a job at the same place and same shifts as his bestie. Maybe it was uh-oh, what are we going to do about Kam?

If the two had headed to Whitehorse to look for work, IMO that’s a reasonable plan so I can’t fault anybody for supporting that idea. Even if it resulted in the two coming back home, defeated and dejected, because nobody would hire them due to lack of qualifications or experience, sometimes that’s what it takes to motivate young people to further their education.

But of course if that had occurred, five people would still be alive..but sadly, it did not happen that way.

 

[Zella]

Also maybe a "going up north will toughen them up and they will grow up" sort of thing, like a rite of passage. Sadly, technically it kind of was that, but THE worst possible interpretation of that.

SBM

I think that is very possible!

If the two had headed to Whitehorse to look for work, IMO that’s a reasonable plan so I can’t fault anybody for supporting that idea. Even if it resulted in the two coming back home, defeated and dejected, because nobody would hire them due to lack of qualifications or experience, sometimes that’s what it takes to motivate young people to further their education.

SBM

I could definitely see their parents thinking the two of them probably wouldn't hack it up there but thinking that them experiencing that hard reality for themselves would be a good learning experience for them.

 

[otto]

The other side of the coin is they are now out of high school, time to grow up, time to move on and make changes. Did they just graduate this June 2019 or last year? I'm foggy on the grad stuff.

Kam's parents maybe thought he'd outgrow Bryer and if that wasn't happening maybe they said one last roadtrip then you need to think about your future and might be time to cut ties with the bestie. I'm curious like you about the dynamic at Kam's house with Bryer and the family in general.

The deceased suspects are adults with no assets worthy of an international person injury trial. At best the family can give up the Nazi collection - another windfall for Allen Schmegmelly?.

We know nothing about the families except that Australia's 9News presented Bryer's father as a bit off kilter - weird questions that made everyone uncomfortable. Did Australia actually exploit a mental Canadian man for kicks and giggles?

 

[LoisLane]

Kam and Bryer had already left the island by then.

I know. The dates are off by about a week. But the dates were estimated for the break in so there could be wiggle room to the time of theft.

I have edited my original post to emphasize this.

 

[Zella]

And, also, obviously there are known issues with Kam...he participated in three murders and killed himself...dude had issues.

This shouldn't be funny to me, but I had to chuckle at this because it's true. For all the talk about how seemingly normal and nice Kam appeared to most people and how shocked they are he was involved, the dude obviously did have issues in retrospect, even if nobody really picked up on them.

 

[JudgeJudi]

How two communities coped with a national manhunt in their backyard:

Residents of Gillam, Manitoba and Fox Lake Cree Nation are left with lingering questions and weariness after the RCMP discovered the bodies of two suspects wanted in the deaths of three people.

Video included.

The Globe and Mail on Twitter

 

[MassGuy]

Hmm, maybe that's why A.S. decided to not publish his book - maybe he was advised that publishing it would put him in jeopardy of future legal troubles.

That, and I’m sure no one would be willing to publish it in the first place.

It would be about as worthy of publication as any of the masterpieces I put together in Elementary school.

The fact that they were picture books, notwithstanding.

 

[otto]

Hmm, maybe that's why A.S. decided to not publish his book - maybe he was advised that publishing it would put him in jeopardy of future legal troubles.

There is no trial, he can sell his book. Even though he said something about a drunk person writing it while was watching ... is that his son's life? Was it something he saw through a dream blur for 18 years?

 

[Boxer]

If the two had headed to Whitehorse to look for work, IMO that’s a reasonable plan so I can’t fault anybody for supporting that idea. Even if it resulted in the two coming back home, defeated and dejected, because nobody would hire them due to lack of qualifications or experience, sometimes that’s what it takes to motivate young people to further their education.

But of course if that had occurred, five people would still be alive..but sadly, it did not happen that way.

It is so bad, killing people. The jump
from being a teen despondent in post HS transition, which is pretty normal to killing people on the road. It is a big leap. Police are right to investigate whether they were responsible in any unsolved murders near their home.

 

[Zella]

That, and I’m sure no one would be willing to publish it in the first place.

It would be about as worthy of publication as any of the masterpieces I put together in Elementary school.

The fact that they were picture books, notwithstanding.

Self-publisher wouldn't care (and didn't since that was the route he went to begin with). They get paid, they'll play. Once the self-publisher has their money, the onus is on the author to do their own marketing and promotion, so it's not the publisher's concern if it is bad material nobody will purchase.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I have wondered if the statement from Kam's dad is a bit of the same as the one from Bryer's dad in that neither one of them had real reason to think the other kid was a bad influence but once the 2 teens are suspected of murder, the natural inclination is to assume the one who isn't yours is the bad element and the instigator.

Bryer's dad was more blatant about it but still danced around the issue with "not trying to offend Kam's family" but "my son didn't have a vehicle, couldn't drive, and didn't have access to real guns," with the implication being that since this murder rampage involved a road trip and guns, that must be on Kam.

I don't remember the sequence of who released what first, but I wonder if between the lines, Kam's dad is basically saying not trying to offend Bryer's family but my son is kind, caring, and considerate, so a murder rampage that is the exact opposite of treating people with kindness, care, and consideration, that must be on Bryer.

Again, not saying either one actually had concerns about their son's friends before this happened, but I think their instinct is to take what they think they know about their child and assume that actions suggesting the opposite are the fault of the other suspect.

Just MOO

That was the read I got on it too. I don't know if I blame them. I mean, THEIR kid isn't the one taking photos of himself with a gun in his mouth and snorting Ritalin while dressed up like a Hitler Youth. I think both of them were equally messed up, but Kam hid it a lot better. However with Kam doing the driving and never trying to pin the murders on Bryer, and especially if the guns were from his parents, I think at some point they will have to accept this was a team effort.

Of course, the truth that peoples' heads explode from rather than accepting, is that someone can be kind, caring, and considerate at one point, AND also end up going on a murder rampage. In fact there may be a very short transition period between the two. All of us contain multitudes.

 

[wary]

That, and I’m sure no one would be willing to publish it in the first place.

It would be about as worthy of publication as any of the masterpieces I put together in Elementary school.

The fact that they were picture books, notwithstanding.

Aren’t you glad you didn’t have to read it?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm sure this has been discussed but only just popped into my head lol..

Maybe this was a really big, premeditated plan and even getting a job at Walmart for 5 weeks was part of the plan. They could've gotten first jobs at fast food restaurants or counter jobs, why Walmart doing the graveyard shift? I guess less people around to interact with working those hours. I'm wondering if it's easy to steal stuff working the graveyard shift (sleeping bags, camping gear, etc.)?

 

[Zella]

That was the read I got on it too. I don't know if I blame them. I mean, THEIR kid isn't the one taking photos of himself with a gun in his mouth and snorting Ritalin while dressed up like a Hitler Youth. I think both of them were equally messed up, but Kam hid it a lot better. However with Kam doing the driving and never trying to pin the murders on Bryer, and especially if the guns were from his parents, I think at some point they will have to accept this was a team effort.

Of course, the truth that peoples' heads explode from rather than accepting, is that someone can be kind, caring, and considerate at one point, AND also end up going on a murder rampage. In fact there may be a very short transition period between the two. All of us contain multitudes.

Yes truthfully, I can understand why Kam's father would have a hard time accepting that his kid whom he knew to be a nice kid--and whom other people knew to be a nice kid--was involved. I can also honestly see why Bryer's dad would be stymied by the stuff he seized on about Bryer not having a car/access to real guns as far as he knew, though Bryer did have more obvious red flags behavior-wise.

I know Bryer's great-uncle said one of the Mounties told him that oftentimes families don't see this dark side in their loved ones. I think that's true, and I got the impression it was a comfort to him. Bryer's dad suggested the same thing in his 60 Minutes Australia interview, which makes me think Victim Services has told both of the suspects' families this. I'd say that all of them will probably struggle to reconcile who they thought they knew with whatever revelations are to come about this murders.

 

[MassGuy]

Aren’t you glad you didn’t have to read it?

Ha! Not enough alcohol in the world to get me through that I’m sure.

 

[otto]

Still getting my bearings with this case but have been lurking for awhile...

I keep reading comments about a sleeping bag and was wondering who else has read the Wikipedia article about the video game Rust? I don't think I can link anything here but what I read sent up red flags.

I was reading over the Wiki article and it mentions something about how at the "end of the game" players are offered a chance to start over and it's somehow connected to a sleeping bag. The term used is re=spawning and it's mentioned at the end of the "gameplay" section.

I don't even know what I'm trying to say it just stood out to me. Clearly these two had some kind of Folie a Deux/ suicide pact.

Miraculously a Nelson River boater came forward after the bodies were found and claimed credit for finding the bodies - he reported a sleeping bag in Port Nelson 111 km away from the bodies.

Dyad is the term to describe two males 19/18 years old who are mutually influenced to act against known mores.