Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[Zella]

The post shows that while the debate rages here on WS about whether the response time was fast enough, some residents in northern B.C. have another perspective. These are remote areas.

I understand that. I live in a rural part of the states, where LE response time can easily be an hour.

My point is simply that I don't think it is a fair comparison to compare and contrast response times and LE resources on a missing persons case with an unknown potential suspect versus 3 homicides and 2 known suspects. The situations are different enough that a difference is understandable. I would be more interested in accusations that the RCMP has delayed responding to other homicides, but that is not my impression at all.

 

[Blue Amethyst]

I saw this video the other day and looked carefully at the tyre tracks at the site where LD’s body was found. Investigators were very interested in them. You can see two very different tyre treads – the one on the right (on drier soil) is totally different to the others. I’m wondering whether this track could be from KM’s truck.

Of the remaining tracks, one crosses over another similar track. There also appears to be a couple of footprints. BS was wearing what looked to be army style boots when he was in the store. These usually have a cut-out pattern all around the bottom edge of the sole. I saw 2, possibly 3. I got my husband to have a look and asked him if someone was wearing army style boots, could he make out any possible footprints. He saw exactly what I saw.

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Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Leon Dyck was murdered first? As we don't know how long his body was there before he was found, we can only go by dates.

July 15 - Bodies of Lucas and Chynna found
July 18 – Some 470 kms away near Dease Lake, police discover a burned out truck
July 19 – Len Dyck’s body found 2 kms from the burned-out truck

The bearded man who was seen having the heated argument with LF and CD was driving a grey coloured car, the same as LD’s RAV 4. It was facing south, i.e. going in the opposite direction to LF and CD.

"There is significant evidence linking the two events together," Assistant Commissioner Hackett said.
Evidence also linked the two suspects to the two crime scenes, but he declined to give details.

Final tragic twist in Canada highway murders

I think this is possible. Maybe that is why the investigation is taking so long. That is why I had asked if it was known where he was murdered but it is still unknown. Perhaps it was his grey car at the scene with Kam arguing with Lucas and Chynna. MOO

 

[Gina20]

I understand that. I live in a rural part of the states, where LE response time can easily be an hour.

My point is simply that I don't think it is a fair comparison to compare and contrast response times and LE resources on a missing persons case with an unknown potential suspect versus 3 homicides and 2 known suspects. The situations are different enough that a difference is understandable. I would be more interested in accusations that the RCMP has delayed responding to other homicides, but that is not my impression at all.

This debate has gone on a long time here in the threads. It returns over and over to the topic of how can the police be four hours away? They are. It is a fact, yet it is debated.

There is remote, and there is remote. The area of these murders is remote. It's a concept that perhaps cannot be grasped for some who have never experienced it.

The people who live in these areas understand what remote means. They know that these areas are very remote.

I think we may need an agreed statement of facts here. The police were four hours away. That is a fact, not an assignment of blame.

 

[Zella]

This debate has gone on a long time here in the threads. It returns over and over to the topic of how can the police be four hours away? They are. It is a fact, yet it is debated.

There is remote, and there is remote. The area of these murders is remote. It's a concept that perhaps cannot be grasped for some who have never experienced it.

The people who live in these areas understand what remote means. They know that these areas are very remote.

I think we may need an agreed statement of facts here. The police were four hours away. That is a fact, not an assignment of blame.

I agree with you 100%! I've never once questioned the response time because I understand that fact.

 

[Gina20]

I agree with you 100%! I've never once questioned the response time because I understand that fact.

Yes. I hear you.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Some in B.C. have said the response was far quicker than it is in other cases.

Fast police response to highway deaths spurs discrimination complaint

The response was far quicker, and with good reason. I understand the frustrations of "some in BC," but this is an apples and oranges comparison. Chasing killers on the run is not the same as investigating a missing person case. Not even close.

 

[scrappinkat]

I knew I had read about the sister of Leonard Dyck making a statement. Of course I find it again while I’m looking for something totally unrelated lol. Here’s the link in case people haven’t seen it.

Alberta woman reacts to RCMP finding bodies believed to be of B.C. teens suspected of killing brother | Watch News Videos Online

 

[Esprite]

My interest is in the similarities, one in particular: the Leatherman multi-tool. I am curious to know who that Leatherman found near Gillam belonged to, and if it was used in these murders. Is this the link between all three murders? (In contrast, why the initial disinterest in picking it up, given that a Leatherman has been used as a murder weapon in a high-profile case in the past?)

Another similarity: two young men, approximately the same age, from affluent families living in mill towns that have seen better days, neither of whom has any apparent financial worries that would drive them to crime.

CL has a Doukhobor name. LD had a Mennonite name. BS had an interest in Russia, and claimed to be Russian, while his father tried to impress upon him that he was Ukrainian by ancestry.

Was there any research by KM and BS into famous B.C. murderers before they left home? Were they copycats in any way? Much of B.C. is remote, and CL murdered in remote areas, so this is another similarity, although not as strong as the Leatherman. Other B.C. murderers have taken advantage of the remoteness, too.

Leatherman tools are often used by botanists conducting field research.

It seems that Bryer had a particular interest in his Slavic heritage. Ukraine is part of the Eastern Slavic group, which includes Russia and Belarus.

The Russian Anabaptists, Doukhobors and Mennonites, are both pacifist groups; they have a long history of oppression wherever they chose to settle. Those who emigrated to Canada were granted full military exemption.

 

[scrappinkat]

saw this video the other day and looked carefully at the tyre tracks at the site where LD’s body was found. Investigators were very interested in them. You can see two very different tyre treads – the one on the right (on drier soil) is totally different to the others. I’m wondering whether this track could be from KM’s truck.

This is the tire that was on Kams truck, as per the image of their dodge that was (I assume) supplied to the RCMP.

 

[copkid]

I feel like I possibly have been living under a rock, until this case I had never really heard of airsoft.

I did some looking this morning into this "airsoft sport". A quick google and Youtube search, and WOW!

Maybe it is just me but I found the images and video very disturbing. The gear that is worn looks frightening!

We have seen images of BS relating to his involvement in this sport and at that time I was disturbed by those images but from what I am seeing and reading BS was far from alone in his participation in this violent game.

The camo gear and the bizarre face coverings seem to be a big part of it.

I truly had no idea regarding the numbers of people participating in this bizarre sport.

Coming in with a bang: Toronto's secretive airsoft community gives a glimpse into increasingly popular sport

JMO

 

[scrappinkat]

The gear that is worn looks frightening!

The gear is worn out of safety concerns. The BBs don’t hurt but in the off chance one hits towards a players face, specifically the eyes, there could be damage to the eye.

 

[Gina20]

I feel like I possibly have been living under a rock, until this case I had never really heard of airsoft.

I did some looking this morning into this "airsoft sport". A quick google and Youtube search, and WOW!

Maybe it is just me but I found the images and video very disturbing. The gear that is worn looks frightening!

We have seen images of BS relating to his involvement in this sport and at that time I was disturbed by those images but from what I am seeing and reading BS was far from alone in his participation in this violent game.

The camo gear and the bizarre face coverings seem to be a big part of it.

I truly had no idea regarding the numbers of people participating in this bizarre sport.

Coming in with a bang: Toronto's secretive airsoft community gives a glimpse into increasingly popular sport

JMO

There can be pressure on parents who don't want their teenagers participating in this "sport". There are Airsoft birthday parties, and if you say no, it's not just your child who lets you hear about it. It's the other parents of the birthday child and the circle of friends, who tell you in front of your child that you're overprotective. Not on my watch. I was nearly shot in a restaurant, so it's not negotiable.

 

[Gina20]

Leatherman tools are often used by botanists conducting field research.

It seems that Bryer had a particular interest in his Slavic heritage. Ukraine is part of the Eastern Slavic group, which includes Russia and Belarus.

The Russian Anabaptists, Doukhobors and Mennonites, are both pacifist groups; they have a long history of oppression wherever they chose to settle. Those who emigrated to Canada were granted full military exemption.

I still wonder why AS mentioned the Russian question. Maybe it was relevant.

 

[Gina20]

Unfortunately for the Leatherman company, the brand also had a Sept. 11 connection.

I am still curious to know who owned the one on the key ring found near Gilllam, and if it was used in these murders. Nothing has been confirmed.

 

[Zella]

I feel like I possibly have been living under a rock, until this case I had never really heard of airsoft.

I did some looking this morning into this "airsoft sport". A quick google and Youtube search, and WOW!

Maybe it is just me but I found the images and video very disturbing. The gear that is worn looks frightening!

We have seen images of BS relating to his involvement in this sport and at that time I was disturbed by those images but from what I am seeing and reading BS was far from alone in his participation in this violent game.

The camo gear and the bizarre face coverings seem to be a big part of it.

I truly had no idea regarding the numbers of people participating in this bizarre sport.

Coming in with a bang: Toronto's secretive airsoft community gives a glimpse into increasingly popular sport

JMO

I think we were living under the same rock.

I was also unfamiliar with it and never heard of airsoft weapons or sports before this case. And I live in an area where firearms and sports involving weapons are very common!

I'm going to have to ask some of my relatives who are avid shooters and firearms collectors if this is something they were familiar with. I certainly never remember it as topic of conversation.

I would like to hear more about the airsoft games Kam and Bryer played. Did they do the elaborate milsim versions I wonder?

 

[Esprite]

Seems that the internet is often where lonely young white men go to become radicalized and lethal. Case in point would be that most of the mass murders in the US lately have been committed by young white men like Bryer and Kam who are fascinated by the Neo Nazi subculture acted out on gaming sites, and reinforced in white supremacist chatrooms on sites such as 8Chan.

 

[KR72]

Seems that the internet is often where lonely young white men go to become radicalized and lethal. Case in point would be that most of the mass murders in the US lately have been committed by young white men like Bryer and Kam who are fascinated by the Neo Nazi subculture acted out on gaming sites, and reinforced in white supremacist chatrooms on sites such as 8Chan.

I feel that disenfranchised young men the world over are vulnerable to recruitment from various groups. Inner city gangs that prey mainly on poor young men and boys, white supremacist groups, or terrorist groups. It's a terrible blight on the world.

 

[otto]

Have media reports been edited? I’m unable to find a link about this woman calling police. Maybe she called after the deaths were reported?

“A woman who told CTV News she'd seen the van said it appeared to have broken down on the side of the northbound lanes.

"The hood was up and there was a young couple sitting in lawn chairs in the ditch. The girl got up and waved at me," Carrie Haruluk said.

She said she couldn't help - her vehicle was full and there were vehicles coming in both directions - so she kept driving.

"The next morning, we all heard the sirens," Haruluk said.

"It's disturbing because it's somebody's daughter, it's somebody's son. And they're not very old."....”
What happened to tourist couple found dead on Alaska Highway?

We discussed the linked article about the call to RCMP at the beginning of the discussion, and then a few days later we looked for the link because some had missed it. It was difficult to find, but it is somewhere in previous threads.

It's possible that some information has been changed since the original article - hard to know.

 

[MistyWaters]

I had read this early on too, but was a little surprised when the police statement was released along with the sketch that the vehicle was a Jeep, no body colour specified, with a black stripe and bull bar with lights. Very specific and certainly not a grey car.

Also surprised her name was put so out there. If there was a trial it could have jeopardized her ability to feel safe being a witness.

I was surprised she even spoke to the media.

During the height of a crime the general public sometimes tends to think we know the whole story because, well after all, that’s what’s the media is for, to give us the news.

In Canada very few potential witnesses tell their story to the media during an open investigation. Later, if and when a trial occurs it always amazes me know little of factual information was ever leaked to the public. In this case, when the final RCMP report is issued, I think we’ll discover the same.

On the topic of witnesses, this July 21st tip coming from Meadow Lake was really very significant given the last known location of the pair was two provinces away. The tipster hasn’t talked to the media at all. But I do wonder what specifically occurred to cause that very observant person to make the possible connection?

“A sighting in Meadow Lake, Sask., for instance, helped police identify Schmegelsky and McLeod as suspects rather than missing persons...”
Social media both a help, hurdle for police in search for BC murder suspects

 

[otto]

Here's the article and the link

"The bodies were found Monday on Highway 97 about 20 kilometres south of Liard Hot Springs. A blue 1986 Chevrolet van with Alberta licence plates was located at the scene, RCMP said.

Carrie Hawryluk of Fort Nelson, B.C., says she saw a young couple matching the description of Fowler and Deese by the side of the Alaska Highway on Sunday afternoon.

“We just saw their van on the side of the road and we saw a young couple, and the van hood was up like it had broken down and they were sitting in some lawn chairs in the ditch,” she said.

She said her husband, who had driven by about 20 minutes earlier, saw the pair and slowed down to approach, but “the couple didn’t really indicate that they were having problems.”

Hawryluk, who was travelling with her two aunts and a female cousin, said she hesitated to stop due to safety concerns but notified RCMP."​

Tourists found dead along B.C.’s Alaska Highway appear to have been shot: NSW police