Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[scrappinkat]

I remember seeing the interview by the road worker saying that the bodies of Lucas and Chynna look like they had been positioned or displayed. I wonder if the same thing had happened with Leonard Dyck? But the police don't want to disclose his manner of death. Also, was CD in her sleepwear? In the video of the gas station, she's wearing light colored shorts and t-shirt, but the blurred crime scene photos, it looks like both individuals are wearing dark, possibly long sleeved, clothing. So maybe that would indicate they were getting ready for or were already in bed at the time the murder happened?

I believe the last sighting at 11:30pm on the 14th had them still alive. They probably pulled sweatshirts and pants on due to it getting cooler at night and for mosquito protection.

 

[Gina20]

JMO but I know I was kind of a terrible person at 19 with crazy mood swings and did a lot of impulsive things...I'm a totally different, way calmer person now and would never act like that.

Something happens in the teenage brain. This is why so many mental illnesses become apparent in the late teen years to early 20s.

Rates of brain maturation are individual, too.

 

[MistyWaters]

I was a little surprised at the amount of traffic described. There was the mechanic and his wife together, a husband traveling separately from his wife, the road worker, the road boss. And, of course, we don't know who else came forward to police but didn't talk to the media.

I think it was the wife traveling separately who specifically said she didn't pull over because there was traffic coming both ways. That surprised me a little bit since it does make it seem like the road was fairly well-traveled. I'd love to know how busy the road is because it seemed like a fair number of folks drove by.

The Alaskan Highway through northern B.C. is the route to the Yukon and Alaska, aside from taking the ferry to Skagway or visiting on an Alaskan cruise. During the summer months travelling to the far north via the Alaskan Highway is a popular tourist route including bus tours because of the incredible scenery along the way. It’s considered remote because it’s very sparsely populated, which is also why services are located long distances apart.

 

[Zella]

The Alaskan Highway through northern B.C. is the route to the Yukon and Alaska, aside from taking the ferry to Skagway or visiting on an Alaskan cruise. During the summer months travelling via the Alaskan Highway is a popular tourist destination including bus tours. It’s considered remote because it’s very sparsely populated, which is also why services are located long distances apart.

That makes sense--thank you!

 

[Gina20]

I currently have one in my car. I don’t actually have a good reason like being a trucker for it though lol. (I guess if anyone wants a list of what rednecks possibly carry in their car I might be able to help out )

I missed it though, what was the thought process behind the automotive store shopping trip or the tire thumper?

Way back, I said truckers carry these things when the topic of why didn't they go after a trucker came up. I wanted to verify that these are still sold.

 

[Shlock Homes]

Oh I came across something that I wanted to add in relation to our discussion about hygiene/clothing change.

The constable who saw them on the 22nd said they were wearing different clothes than what they were wearing on the 21st in the surveillance video. According to this constable, neither were in camo. So, it really does sound like they were maybe changing clothing every day.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/first-nation-constable-stopped-homicide-suspects-1.5230779

Interesting about not having any gear. Then how was it that their bodies were spotted after someone saw a sleeping bag in the Nelson river (some other reports say it was seen in the 'willows')? And what about the other stuff that was strewn about?
Even more interesting, why would they say where they were from? Okay, they didn't say Port Alberni, but they could have said Revelstoke.
As to them being 'nervous', I'd be nervous too if I was driving and a cop pulled me over randomly and especially if they were upset I didn't stop.

 

[Gina20]

The Alaskan Highway through northern B.C. is the route to the Yukon and Alaska, aside from taking the ferry to Skagway or visiting on an Alaskan cruise. During the summer months travelling to the far north via the Alaskan Highway is a popular tourist route including bus tours because of the incredible scenery along the way. It’s considered remote because it’s very sparsely populated, which is also why services are located long distances apart.

Alaska Highway, as in highway to Alaska, most of which is in Canada.

 

[Moriarty]

I think it's more complicated than that. There's a lot of research on this topic. It is definitely a fact that the brain matures at least into the mid-20s (wouldn't be surprised if it continues to mature even later than that). Knowing intellectually what the right thing is, doesn't mean that one has the self-control to regulate their emotions or impulses...that happens over time

I completely agree with you. It is far more nuanced than just a non fully developed prefrontal cortex.

Environmental/social/cultural/personal/biological/psychological...it’s all a big stew.

BTW, my wife is currently in a brain and behaviour psych class so I just now asked her if the brain can take longer than mid-20s to mature and she looked at me and deadpanned...”for some, much later.”

 

[Shlock Homes]

I believe the last sighting at 11:30pm on the 14th had them still alive. They probably pulled sweatshirts and pants on due to it getting cooler at night and for mosquito protection.

So assuming the murderer(s) happened upon them in the darkness, I guess in either case, they probably would have passed their vehicle, and turned around, or pulled over somewhere in front of theirs. Just saying that because without the lights you wouldn't see from far, unless Lucas and Chynna had some sort of night light on. I wonder if the police found something like that still on, in the van.
Or looked for tracks of someone pulling a u-turn on the gravel.

 

[Shlock Homes]

The tire tracks (two sets possibly) from where Leonard Dycks body was found do not line up with that theory.

They haven't said if any of the tire tracks matched with red truck. But how could there be two sets of tire tracks, if only Kam McLeod knew how to drive?

 

[1987]

They haven't said if any of the tire tracks matched with red truck. But how could there be two sets of tire tracks, if only Kam McLeod knew how to drive?

how can they get tires to match from a burned truck...

 

[Shlock Homes]

how can they get tires to match from a burned truck...

I see from the photos the tires were melted away. They could compare based on the size of the vehicle, and if they had other photos of the truck, figure out what brand of tires were on it and what treading.

 

[Zella]

Didn't someone on here post the tires from Kam's truck earlier today? I didn't recognize the brand.

 

[1987]

Didn't someone on here post the tires from Kam's truck earlier today? I didn't recognize the brand.

the tire guess was from a photo of the truck. who knows how old the photo was and if the truck would have still had the same tires on it. for LE I would think maybe if the truck had recently had tires changed there might be record from when and where tires were purchased. not that that helps us guess any better.

 

[Zella]

the tire guess was from a photo of the truck. who knows how old the photo was and if the truck would have still had the same tires on it. for LE I would think maybe if the truck had recently had tires changed there might be record from when and where tires were purchased. not that that helps us guess any better.

Okay that makes sense. If he got the tires in Port Alberni, I'm thinking they probably could be sourced pretty easily by LE.

 

[MistyWaters]

That makes sense--thank you!

You’re welcome. Just some stats to somewhat paint a picture as well - Canada’s total land mass is slightly larger than the US. Yet our total population is only just over 10% of the total population in the US. In addition to that, 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. That makes for a lot of unpopulated and “remote” territory in the far north.

 

[Kiantra]

Guess who's back...back again....

Nice to see you back. I think you were just worried about the pork chop. Lol.

EBM

 

[LadyL]

After seeing the picture of the crime scene of LD's murder and then comparing it with the video if the crime scene from CD and LF's murder, I noticed that the victims in both cases were moved neatly away from the car area. LD's, in particular, appears to have been moved to be laying straight near the edge of the pullout. Posters have referred to the description of the position of CD and LF's bodies when found, laying in similar positions, which I feel indicates the same person dragged them to where they were left. I wonder if LD was dragged in a similar or same manner?

[bbm]

where is the picture of LD's crime scene referred to here?
ETA: I've seen the photos of the car after it was burned but it seems like you're hinting at something more

 

[NJSleuth91]

I completely agree with you. It is far more nuanced than just a non fully developed prefrontal cortex.

Environmental/social/cultural/personal/biological/psychological...it’s all a big stew.

BTW, my wife is currently in a brain and behaviour psych class so I just now asked her if the brain can take longer than mid-20s to mature and she looked at me and deadpanned...”for some, much later.”

I believe that. A lot of people get it together only in their 30s or even 40s. The brain is a very flexible thing. I know the research indicating the brain matures in the mid-20s is a relatively new development, and I expect eventually they will find the brain matures in some way throughout most or all of life.

Plus, there's a reason why young people, particularly men, commit a high percentage of crimes relative to older people.

Unfortunately, because the brain is such a complex system with so many external and internal influences, and can be pushed in one direction or another fairly easily (ie. the "two wolves" parable someone posted) it's also very hard to predict who will turn to violence and who will just be "unsettling" but not actually do anything. More funding for research into gun violence might help that.

 

[Shlock Homes]

[bbm]

where is the picture of LD's crime scene referred to here?

It's in the Gray Hughes youtube video. I wasn't sure if it should be linked here, I recall some complained about his video containing the LF&CD crime scene with the bodies blurred out. I think he got the images from the CBC.