Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

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  • #301
It was 3:30 in the afternoon. They had choices to get a lift to Liard Hot Springs, call a tow truck in Fort Nelson, or stay where they were. Other drivers were concerned, several stopped and one called RCMP to report the vehicle at 4PM. For some reason, other drivers were concerned, but they were not. I can only assume that they were unaware.

Still finding the blaming. I love that passers-by stopped to check in with them. Kindly and helpful. But the drivers should have felt semi-comfortable. How many of the many, many, pull-overs have been attacked? It's not about being unaware. IMOO.
 
  • #302
how can they get tires to match from a burned truck...

The photo they had of the truck that used for the missing report, I posted earlier what type of tires were on it.
 
  • #303
The photo they had of the truck that used for the missing report, I posted earlier what type of tires were on it.
I understand, if it was a recent photo and still had the same tires. I doubt that photo was taken the day the truck left home though. it was likely a incidental photo from some time in the past.
 
  • #304
It's in the Gray Hughes youtube video. I wasn't sure if it should be linked here, I recall some complained about his video containing the LF&CD crime scene with the bodies blurred out. I think he got the images from the CBC.

oh wow I didn't know that existed
thanks for the heads-up
I'll go looking

ETA: forget it, his videos are 3+ hours long - who has time for that?

nm I found it
 
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  • #305
Here's a CBC video that shows the crime scene of Leonard Dyck. It's at the 8:24 mark where they show the covered body and tire tracks.
 
  • #306
I keep reading comments about a sleeping bag and was wondering who else has read the Wikipedia article about the video game Rust? I don't think I can link anything here but what I read sent up red flags.

I was reading over the Wiki article and it mentions something about how at the "end of the game" players are offered a chance to start over and it's somehow connected to a sleeping bag. The term used is respawning and it's mentioned at the end of the "gameplay" section.

Miraculously a Nelson River boater came forward after the bodies were found and claimed credit for finding the bodies - he reported a sleeping bag in Port Nelson 111 km away from the bodies.

Their personal belonging were on the shore of the Nelson River 4km upstream of the boat, and we are to believe that a sleeping bag 111 downstream is related?

How many sleeping bag "sightings" have there been?

The reason I find this significant as well as mentioning Folie a Deux and the game Rust is the fact that Rust is a survivalist game. Does anyone know if they played this game?

MOO - but I could picture a conversation between BS and KM after yet another "sucky" thing happened in their real world lives. One of them says, "Why can't real life be more like Rust?"

As I said their plan sounds exactly like it was devised by someone who wishes video games were real and wants to start a militia in the woods. I agree that these games teach values that are maladaptive in the real world to say the least.


So, it appears the sleeping bag could just be a practical camping item. But it could also be symbolic.

From what I have been reading about the game Rust, when you are killed (including if you choose the "kill" command on yourself) you start over in your next life - naked and with nothing but a rock. If you have a sleeping bag available (because you or a friend spent resources to create and place one in the game world) you can return to the game world on top of the sleeping bag. (Without a sleeping bag, you will reenter in a random location).

The sleeping bag concept can be used strategically. You can use them to get to the location in the game world where your friends are or near your camp where you may have left items. It can also be used as a kind of teleport to travel across the game world - kill yourself and respawn in a different location.

Suppose BS and KM could hear the helicopters and the approaching searchers. In the game, they need to either get away or have a confrontation. They would have probably realized they weren't likely to be successful in this confrontation (unlike the ones in BC) so they needed to get away.

They could not go back to the road without being discovered. They would not have wanted to head upstream on the river as Gillam and searchers were back there. When they looked downstream, they would have seen the rapids and no route past them. They would have felt stuck in the brush near where they were found. If they were playing the game, they could have placed a sleeping bag in the jon boat and sent it downstream. After they execute the "kill" command on themselves, they could respawn into the next life on the sleeping bag on the other side of the rapids and thus they would have escaped. It's a way of keeping control over the next move.

There is just something to this story that feels like they were following some kind of video game script. Even if they were actually aware on some level that it was real, they could have been going through the ritual of the game on another level in the interactions between themselves.

This is all speculation on my part. So MOO and all that jazz. And, of course, we may never really know.
 
  • #307
oh wow I didn't know that existed
thanks for the heads-up
I'll go looking

ETA: forget it, his videos are 3+ hours long - who has time for that?

I found a CBC news video with much better images of the crime scene. You can see the tire tracks were perpendicular to the road.

I'm confused about the road. I thought it was Highway 37, but there's no middle line. All photos and videos I've seen of the highway have a painted line down the middle. This looks like a side road.
 
  • #308
Here's a CBC video that shows the crime scene of Leonard Dyck. It's at the 8:24 mark where they show the covered body and tire tracks.

thanks I did see that in the Gray Hughes video
sensitive question but is LD's body under the white sheet?
 
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  • #309
I understand, if it was a recent photo and still had the same tires. I doubt that photo was taken the day the truck left home though. it was likely a incidental photo from some time in the past.

I thought I read in one of the articles he’d only had the truck a couple months?
 
  • #310
KM & BS torched every vehicle they came across. Is there any theories as to why they didn't torch this one? Police certainly haven't said if any attempt was made to burn it, or if any attempt was made to turn it on (and if it wasn't working, that would be why it wasn't stolen). I'm guessing they couldn't or didn't match up any tire tracks to KM's red truck. That dirt and gravel was probably compromised by the various people stopping on the scene.

My theory is they couldn’t get the blue van to start and didn’t want to torch it being in such a visible location. Leaving it as is (a broken window isn’t as apparent as a burnt out shell) probably gave them a better head start on their escape.
 
  • #311
I found a CBC news video with much better images of the crime scene. You can see the tire tracks were perpendicular to the road.

I'm confused about the road. I thought it was Highway 37, but there's no middle line. All photos and videos I've seen of the highway have a painted line down the middle. This looks like a side road.

yes I see the tire tracks
interesting ? about the road
 
  • #312
thanks I did see that in the Gray Hughes video
sensitive question but is it LD's body under the white sheet?
I think it is. They covered it in a pretty large sheet.
 
  • #313
I thought I read in one of the articles he’d only had the truck a couple months?
I haven't seen any mention of how long the truck had been owned. I am under the impression that the blue van hadn't been owned very long.
 
  • #314
My theory is they couldn’t get the blue van to start and didn’t want to torch it being in such a visible location. Leaving it as is (a broken window isn’t as apparent as a burnt out shell) probably gave them a better head start on their escape.
They torched the truck in a visible location, though. Right off Highway 37, that's why it was found so quickly. If they tried to start the van, then the keys would probably still be in the ignition and/or have the killer's fingerprints on them.
 
  • #315
[bbm]

where is the picture of LD's crime scene referred to here?
ETA: I've seen the photos of the car after it was burned but it seems like you're hinting at something more
It is shown in a gray Hughes video and I think judge Judi here posted a link, l have the pic but can’t post as no link
 
  • #316
thanks I did see that in the Gray Hughes video
sensitive question but is it LD's body under the white sheet?

I don’t think so but the large white sheet is probably covering the ground where he was found, preventing photographs by the media.
 
  • #317
I haven't seen any mention of how long the truck had been owned. I am under the impression that the blue van hadn't been owned very long.

Someone showed the auction win for the van, the date was June 20th. I'm guessing that was Lucas Fowler who bid on it? Or did he buy it from someone else? If this was in Alberta, where did he and Chynna Deese meet? And did they drive or get a ride to pick up that van for their trip?
 
  • #318
My theory is they couldn’t get the blue van to start and didn’t want to torch it being in such a visible location. Leaving it as is (a broken window isn’t as apparent as a burnt out shell) probably gave them a better head start on their escape.
Burning the van strikes me as something that didn't even occur to them in the heat of the moment (pun not intended). I think they burned the other vehicles because they apparently had a few days in between murders to rehash everything between themselves. I could see one of them being like, "Hey, you know what we should have done?"

FWIW, Bryer has a screenshot of a burning vehicle from Player Unknown Battleground from January 2018 on his Steam account. I don't know that he was consciously trying to imitate the game--though he has a lot of interesting screenshots from it--but I could see the idea being in the back of his or Kam's head and them having a "well, why not" attitude about it.

Steam Community :: Bryer :: Screenshots
 
  • #319
They torched the truck in a visible location, though. Right off Highway 37, that's why it was found so quickly. If they tried to start the van, then the keys would probably still be in the ignition and/or have the killer's fingerprints on them.

but they took their i.d. so I'm sure they took their keys too
who knows where the keys ended up
or do we know the cops have 'em?
 
  • #320
Someone showed the auction win for the van, the date was June 20th. I'm guessing that was Lucas Fowler who bid on it? Or did he buy it from someone else? If this was in Alberta, where did he and Chynna Deese meet? And did they drive or get a ride to pick up that van for their trip?

I think he bought it from his boss - the farm where he worked
 
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