Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[JudgeJudi]

There’s shoeprints in one of those photos as well. As the RCMP has been offering support to the Port Alberni families, I think they’ve been cooperative in assisting the RCMP as well, such as what type of footwear the two took with them and details of truck tires. What a horrendous time this must be for them all.

Yes. As I said in my post on p.10, I saw 2 shoeprints, possibly 3. I asked my husband if he could see any and he saw what I did.

If the tyre tracks on the left are from the RAV 4, they're odd in themselves.

I'd like to know what the 5 orange markers indicate, and also the one in the bottom right-hand corner.

 

[Arizona 123]

There appear to be 2 different sets of tyre tracks at LD's crime scene. I think it would be reasonably safe to assume that one set belongs to his RAV 4. There may well be identical tracks leading up to where it was burnt near Gillam.

There is also a much wider track on the right-hand side of LD's crime scene which could belong to KM's truck. Once again, there may be matching tracks leading up to where it was burnt 2 kms away. They won't get tyre tracks from either vehicle once they were burnt.



Here are 2 screengrabs from the video on p.10 #195 showing LD's crime scene and the tracks.

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Thank you for these.

My hunch is that you are correct. The markings indicate that the police were interested on both sets of tracks as well.
My further hunch is that the deeper tracks are from a heavier vehicle, such as K's camper truck. It does appear that two vehicles departed the scene. Of course, it might just be tracks that had been there a while, but still, the police seem to be interested enough to mark them.

The location of the body IMHO indicates that it would have been noticed before too long. This fits with reports that a driver reported it to police responding to the burning truck.

So, if true, this gives a scenario of the two suspects leaving the scene in the two vehicles, heading a mile and a half down (south) the highway, then burning the truck. This begs the question; why so close to the body?

A theory of mine kind of fits into this. I've long wondered if, after the murder of the couple in the van, the suspects headed for the Stuart-Cassimir highway (37, that runs through Deese Lake) as a route out of the area other than the Alaska Highway (it's the only one) via Watson Lake. However, the truck, being fairly old and driven by someone I suspect knew little about engines, began acting up (maybe they didn't put oil in it - trucks that age do tend to leak). So, they were stuck in the Deese Lake area with a poorly running truck, with a manhunt getting underway over on the Alaska highway. So, they decided to murder someone and steal a car, and the professor had the grave misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. As for the burn site of the camper truck, maybe it just couldn't go much further. (on the other hand, given what they did with the RAV4, they did not seem to care, so it might have just been a convenient place to pull in and burn.).

 

[Iwondertoo]

I found a CBC news video with much better images of the crime scene. You can see the tire tracks were perpendicular to the road.

I'm confused about the road. I thought it was Highway 37, but there's no middle line. All photos and videos I've seen of the highway have a painted line down the middle. This looks like a side road.

BBM

I have no picture but if you google "Highway 37 BC" images, you'll see what it's like. It's called a highway in Canada but it's not like most people's image when they hear the the word highway.

It's our Canadian version of a northern highway that doesn't see much traffic (relatively speaking).

Highways within the lower part of Canada are as we'd expect. Highways in the north, not so much.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseam, apologies if repeating a topic...

Whether or not the guy in the gas station video looks like Kam. I find the similarities very uncanny (left hand kinda in pocket that doesn't move, skin tone/hair tone, black pants, color of t-shirt and length of t-shirt sleeves). The video moves SO fast and the details/lighting aren't good but I still find quite a similarity which I think has been discussed already.

I still feel like the couple encountered/interacted with B&S somewhere and sometime before the murders and it wasn't totally random of them driving by a parked van, JMO.

 

[Kiantra]

Thank you for these.

My hunch is that you are correct. The markings indicate that the police were interested on both sets of tracks as well.
My further hunch is that the deeper tracks are from a heavier vehicle, such as K's camper truck. It does appear that two vehicles departed the scene. Of course, it might just be tracks that had been there a while, but still, the police seem to be interested enough to mark them.

This sounds logical to me and also suggestions Bryer definitely knew how to drive.

 

[Zella]

Thank you for these.

My hunch is that you are correct. The markings indicate that the police were interested on both sets of tracks as well.
My further hunch is that the deeper tracks are from a heavier vehicle, such as K's camper truck. It does appear that two vehicles departed the scene. Of course, it might just be tracks that had been there a while, but still, the police seem to be interested enough to mark them.

The location of the body IMHO indicates that it would have been noticed before too long. This fits with reports that a driver reported it to police responding to the burning truck.

So, if true, this gives a scenario of the two suspects leaving the scene in the two vehicles, heading a mile and a half down (south) the highway, then burning the truck. This begs the question; why so close to the body?

A theory of mine kind of fits into this. I've long wondered if, after the murder of the couple in the van, the suspects headed for the Stuart-Cassimir highway (37, that runs through Deese Lake) as a route out of the area other than the Alaska Highway (it's the only one) via Watson Lake. However, the truck, being fairly old and driven by someone I suspect knew little about engines, began acting up (maybe they didn't put oil in it - trucks that age do tend to leak). So, they were stuck in the Deese Lake area with a poorly running truck, with a manhunt getting underway over on the Alaska highway. So, they decided to murder someone and steal a car, and the professor had the grave misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. As for the burn site of the camper truck, maybe it just couldn't go much further. (on the other hand, given what they did with the RAV4, they did not seem to care, so it might have just been a convenient place to pull in and burn.).

I think you might be on to something!

I think the truck was north of LD's body, though. Which is weird because it means at some point they had to backtrack because they then presumably continued south to get to Alberta.

 

[Zella]

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseam, apologies if repeating a topic...

Whether or not the guy in the gas station video looks like Kam. I find the similarities very uncanny (left hand kinda in pocket that doesn't move, skin tone/hair tone, black pants, color of t-shirt and length of t-shirt sleeves). The video moves SO fast and the details/lighting aren't good but I still find quite a similarity which I think has been discussed already.

I still feel like the couple encountered/interacted with B&S somewhere and sometime before the murders and it wasn't totally random of them driving by a parked van, JMO.

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That's a good point about the left hand! I wish we had more footage/pics of Kam to see if that was a body language habit of his.

My only thing about the guy in the video is he seems to have a much sturdier set of shoulders on him than Kam did. Kam wasn't as skinny as Bryer, but he's still pretty lean-looking. That dude in the video looks much more built. MOO

 

[Arizona 123]

I'd like to know what the 5 orange markers indicate, and also the one in the bottom right-hand corner.

There are more of those orange markers in the other shot, the one that shows the white sheet. 9 in all.

My guess, based on size and distribution, is they are covering spent cartridges.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Thank you for these.

My hunch is that you are correct. The markings indicate that the police were interested on both sets of tracks as well.
My further hunch is that the deeper tracks are from a heavier vehicle, such as K's camper truck. It does appear that two vehicles departed the scene. Of course, it might just be tracks that had been there a while, but still, the police seem to be interested enough to mark them.

The location of the body IMHO indicates that it would have been noticed before too long. This fits with reports that a driver reported it to police responding to the burning truck.

So, if true, this gives a scenario of the two suspects leaving the scene in the two vehicles, heading a mile and a half down (south) the highway, then burning the truck. This begs the question; why so close to the body?

A theory of mine kind of fits into this. I've long wondered if, after the murder of the couple in the van, the suspects headed for the Stuart-Cassimir highway (37, that runs through Deese Lake) as a route out of the area other than the Alaska Highway (it's the only one) via Watson Lake. However, the truck, being fairly old and driven by someone I suspect knew little about engines, began acting up (maybe they didn't put oil in it - trucks that age do tend to leak). So, they were stuck in the Deese Lake area with a poorly running truck, with a manhunt getting underway over on the Alaska highway. So, they decided to murder someone and steal a car, and the professor had the grave misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. As for the burn site of the camper truck, maybe it just couldn't go much further. (on the other hand, given what they did with the RAV4, they did not seem to care, so it might have just been a convenient place to pull in and burn.).

So Bryer did know how to drive! I guess it's not that hard in the middle of nowhere with literally nobody around. It sounds like the locals may have been a bit weirded out by them too even before they were named as suspects, from the witness descriptions I've read. Although that could be colored by hindsight. I also wonder if their original truck/camper had some forensic evidence in it, like blood stains, and so if it did break down, no way were they going to have a mechanic fix it with all eyes out looking for a potential killer.

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseam, apologies if repeating a topic...

Whether or not the guy in the gas station video looks like Kam. I find the similarities very uncanny (left hand kinda in pocket that doesn't move, skin tone/hair tone, black pants, color of t-shirt and length of t-shirt sleeves). The video moves SO fast and the details/lighting aren't good but I still find quite a similarity which I think has been discussed already.

I still feel like the couple encountered/interacted with B&S somewhere and sometime before the murders and it wasn't totally random of them driving by a parked van, JMO.

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This is the first I'm hearing of it that in the video, there was someone who looked like Kam! And y'all know I've been obsessed about this case for weeks...weird. It's hard to tell because a lot of guys look similar to that, especially in the 2010s aka the Age of Beards. But I think it can't be ruled out especially with the mannerism of the hand in pocket. I also think it's definitely possible that they had some kind of interaction, negative or not, beforehand and that led to the attack.

 

[scrappinkat]

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseam, apologies if repeating a topic...

Whether or not the guy in the gas station video looks like Kam. I find the similarities very uncanny (left hand kinda in pocket that doesn't move, skin tone/hair tone, black pants, color of t-shirt and length of t-shirt sleeves). The video moves SO fast and the details/lighting aren't good but I still find quite a similarity which I think has been discussed already.

I still feel like the couple encountered/interacted with B&S somewhere and sometime before the murders and it wasn't totally random of them driving by a parked van, JMO.

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I thought the police had stated that it was not Kam Mcleod in the gas station footage from Ft Nelson?

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseam, apologies if repeating a topic...

Whether or not the guy in the gas station video looks like Kam. I find the similarities very uncanny (left hand kinda in pocket that doesn't move, skin tone/hair tone, black pants, color of t-shirt and length of t-shirt sleeves). The video moves SO fast and the details/lighting aren't good but I still find quite a similarity which I think has been discussed already.

I still feel like the couple encountered/interacted with B&S somewhere and sometime before the murders and it wasn't totally random of them driving by a parked van, JMO.

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What I see, the other man looks heavier, quite a bit older and has a full beard. But that’s not to say my eye is correct.

 

[Zella]

So Bryer did know how to drive! I guess it's not that hard in the middle of nowhere with literally nobody around. It sounds like the locals may have been a bit weirded out by them too even before they were named as suspects, from the witness descriptions I've read. Although that could be colored by hindsight. I also wonder if their original truck/camper had some forensic evidence in it, like blood stains, and so if it did break down, no way were they going to have a mechanic fix it with all eyes out looking for a potential killer.

Yeah I'm thinking he might not have particularly liked driving or been good at it, seeing as Kam was always driving in any confirmed sightings, but I bet in a pinch he could drive. Wonder if he had to be browbeaten into it or he volunteered.

That's also a good point about the possible bloodstains in the truck.

 

[kmclaren]

Thanks, I knew that twitter link was somewhere. It’s certainly not a photo of a field.

“It’s next to a seniors home, a soccer field, and a backyard swimming pool that’s currently entertaining 4 kids.”

One possible explanation - they noticed an RCMP vehicle cruising around and due to their paranoia they drove into what initially appeared to resemble a back alley.

If my map link works OK, it will show where it is on google maps - senior's centre (T shaped on the left), soccer field (you can just see the goal post) and backyard swimming pool. The google car hasn't been up there for about 7 years so there's no street view but the satellite view looks decently recent. They were probably just bumbling their way thru Cold Lake and took a wrong turn, it's not that far from the highway that would have brought them there...

Google Maps

 

[Zella]

There are more of those orange markers in the other shot, the one that shows the white sheet. 9 in all.

My guess, based on size and distribution, is they are covering spent cartridges.

I suspect you're right. If so, it looks like they might have both been shooting at him rather than just 1 of them?

 

[Arizona 123]

I think you might be on to something!

I think the truck was north of LD's body, though. Which is weird because it means at some point they had to backtrack because they then presumably continued south to get to Alberta.

It would make sense to me that they would backtrack. Burn the truck south of the body if heading north, or visa versa. It might also explain why they burned it so close; panicking because the body was on show and they'd need to drive back past it.

On the other hand, not much these two did makes much rational sense from any perspective, so I'm probably wrong to assume there was any thought.

I suspect you're right. If so, it looks like they might have both been shooting at him rather than just 1 of them?

My hunch, given the locations of the cones relative to the white sheet, is two shooters.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I thought the police had stated that it was not Kam Mcleod in the gas station footage from Ft Nelson?

You're probably right as I think this has been discussed and I've missed tons being in and out and not keeping up with all details! Please correct me if I'm wrong

I was thinking it would be weird that RCMP release footage if suspects were in it, but then I thought maybe they released the gas station video before K&B were suspects?

 

[Zella]

It would make sense to me that they would backtrack. Burn the truck south of the body if heading north, or visa versa. It might also explain why they burned it so close; panicking because the body was on show and they'd need to drive back past it.

On the other hand, not much these two did makes much rational sense from any perspective, so I'm probably wrong to assume there was any thought.

BBM

I couldn't help but chuckle on that part. There does seem to have been a heavy amount of panic-induced lack of thinking with these two. But I really can't get a read on either one of them, no matter how much I try. Maybe they did put a lot of thought into it, but they were just not great at decisions.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I suspect you're right. If so, it looks like they might have both been shooting at him rather than just 1 of them?

And a lot of bullets Either a moving target and bad aim or overkill.

 

[Zella]

And a lot of bullets Either a moving target and bad aim or overkill.

Possibly combination of all 3.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Yeah I'm thinking he might not have particularly liked driving or been good at it, seeing as Kam was always driving in any confirmed sightings, but I bet in a pinch he could drive. Wonder if he had to be browbeaten into it or he volunteered.

That's also a good point about the possible bloodstains in the truck.

It's possible he may have done some driving in the past, especially being from an area where it seems to me that people might let their kids "practice" on the back roads and such without actually having a license, but not actually gotten to the point of getting a driver's license. Plus as someone mentioned, kids can operate go-karts and things like that. It's probably not that hard if there's nobody around and you're not going that fast, as it's mainly the traffic that causes most of the problems in driving. I know my husband said he drove a car at age 15 despite not having a learner's permit when his family visited their relatives in their country of origin...he actually did crash though LOL so maybe that's not a good example, but that was only because there was traffic.

I also wonder about their decision making process (I find it to be a bit of a misnomer to even call it that, considering how completely illogical their decisions were), if they argued over any of their decisions or had to talk each other into things, how much they trusted each other's judgment, etc.