Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[Zella]

RCMP released only that segment of the video that dealt with BS's last wishes for his funeral to the person responsible for the funeral on a need to know basis.

As for the rest of it, "Schmegelsky told CHEK News Saturday that 'I just want to lay flowers on my kids grave… I wasn’t invited to his funeral. I don’t even know where he is. Just another stab in my heart by authorities.'"

Father of BC murder suspect fighting to see video of 'last will and testament'

The RCMP is not at all involved in announcing the funeral or the location where BS is to be interred: that information is in the hands of family and not at all the RCMP.

"[Leamon] is not ruling out taking legal action against the RCMP." AS wants his lawyer to sue the RCMP because his estranged wife doesn't want him at the funeral???

From the same article, the lawyer says "He is looking for closure, like any father would."...but will there be closure? Maybe the video will raise more questions for AS than it answers. Who will he sue then? God?

I think his threatened lawsuit for the RCMP is about the video. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to file a lawsuit against his wife over the remains, though. I have a sinking feeling this is just the start of how ugly this fight is going to get. And none of it's going to bring back their son, his best friend, or the three people they killed.

 

[Gina20]

AS wants his lawyer to sue the RCMP because his estranged wife doesn't want him at the funeral???

No, the lawyer wants him to view the video, as the other family members have done.

 

[Schmoosh]

Exposing the email has brought the existence of video into the light. This is not necessarily putting some kind of roadblock between AS and his lawyer. If anything, it proves that he told the truth: a video exists, and he is not allowed to see it.

Unless the lawyer gave *someone* a wink about releasing the email, she/he/whoever the leaker was just screwed the relationship between her and the RCMP. Their last sentence was: "We would appreciate you keeping this information private until we do so (discuss or acknowledge the video) and I will ensure you get a heads up on what and when the RCMP plans to make this release."

Whoever leaked it just broke the trust/deal between the RCMP and AS's lawyer.

 

[SnooperDuper]

According to this, AS BELIEVES there was a funeral and a burial. But we do not know if there really was a funeral or a burial.
There may have been a cremation, without a formal funeral service of any kind.

The RCMP stated in the email "the body has been released to her". So they are at least that that point.

 

[Schmoosh]

We don't know if it was against his son's wishes, and I don't believe he would accept such a thing except from his son's own mouth, on video. IMO. Some people need to see to believe. This won't go away unresolved as it now stands.

I think you lost the conversation, but that's OK

 

[SnooperDuper]

No, the lawyer wants him to view the video, as the other family members have done.

You mean, as the next of kin has done.

The next of kin is planning the funeral and received the video clip of BS's last wishes as that was directly relevant to their activities at this time, as the RCMP stated in the email.

The lawyer is arguing the video segment represents a "will", and as parent, AS has a right to view it, but it can't be that as a will must be written out, not presented on video.

So what legal standing does AS have to see the video segment? I don't see why, legally, that he should see it at all.

 

[Zella]

The lawyer is arguing the video segment represents a "will", and as parent, AS has a right to view it, but it can't be that as a will must be written out, not presented on video.

So what legal standing does AS have to see the video segment? I don't see why, legally, that he should see it at all.

Since it's not legally a will, though, nobody has a legal right/standing to see it, including Kam's parents or Bryer's mother. I really think the RCMP had no mandate to share it with anyone since it was not a legal will, and the people they did share it with they did so as a courtesy. MOO

 

[Gina20]

I think you lost the conversation, but that's OK

I have lost nothing, Friend. I am not here to win, either.

 

[Schmoosh]

Since it's not legally a will, though, nobody has a legal right/standing to see it, including Kam's parents or Bryer's mother. I really think the RCMP had no mandate to share it with anyone since it was not a legal will, and the people they did share it with they did so as a courtesy. MOO

Exactly, and for the reasons RCMP stated: "The video has to do with how he wanted his body dealt with after death".

IMO that's the only reason they gave her the snippet of the video.

 

[SteveP]

You mean, as the next of kin has done.

The next of kin is planning the funeral and received the video clip of BS's last wishes as that was directly relevant to their activities at this time, as the RCMP stated in the email.

The lawyer is arguing the video segment represents a "will", and as parent, AS has a right to view it, but it can't be that as a will must be written out, not presented on video.

So what legal standing does AS have to see the video segment? I don't see why, legally, that he should see it at all.

Maybe I am just turning into an overly-compassionate softie in my old age, but despite whatever anyone feels his 'legal' right is to see the video, imho, he has the same 'moral' right that every other biological parent has. Was he a failure as a parent? At times, to be sure. I am not, and have never been one of his big fans, but it seems to me BS was likely failed by more than just his father in his lifetime. Let the man see the video, then let him go away. If he then does not go away, appropriate action can be taken at that time. JMO

 

[Schmoosh]

I have lost nothing, Friend. I am not here to win, either.

Oh dear, you misunderstood. By "lost the conversation" I meant you missed the train of the point of my post.

There certainly are no "winners or losers" when adults are just trying to discuss various scenarios in the absence of a ton of information.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think this is why a mediator is needed. People don't always express the reason behind their needs, especially in times of loss. If an RCMP psychologist-mediator would step in and sit down face-to-face with AS, it could help. JMO.

I get the impression AS wants nothing to do with the RCMP, as is his right. Not physiologists, mediators, nor victim services. At times I wonder if he’s even accepted B&K died by suicide, given his earlier prediction of the two getting shot dead by police.

 

[copkid]

I'd think once he became unemployed and indigent that he would be able to access free therapy. It was probably the fact that he was working that he was expected to contribute to the costs of therapy.

If AS is homeless and living in a van without a legit mailing address, it may be difficult for him to access any services, usually a permanent address is required. JMO

 

[FactFinder3000]

Exactly, and for the reasons RCMP stated: "The video has to do with how he wanted his body dealt with after death".

IMO that's the only reason they gave her the snippet of the video.

We don't even know for sure that Bryer's mother has seen any video.

Confirmed via the RCMP email to AS's lawyer:

- Bryer's body has been released to his mother, since she is the 'next of kin'

- Information from the video regarding how Bryer wanted his body to be dealt with has been provided to his mother

 

[MistyWaters]

I noticed in one of the articles that he was ordered into therapy, but could not afford to continue paying for it. So how would that work, ordering him to pay for his own therapy, now that he is homeless and living in a van?

One reason that can happen is if a patient refuses to cooperate with a court ordered/govt sponsored treatment program and so he or she eventually gets dropped. Doing so might also represent a parole violation. But AS never claimed he was ordered into therapy just recently.

 

[KR72]

Healing ceremony expected to take place where the remains of the suspects were found.

At some point, a ceremony will be held where the human remains and vehicle were found, Fox Lake Chief Walter Spence said at a community meeting in Gillam.

Ms. Neckoway expects medicine men will be brought in for the cleansing ceremony.

“When you have a ceremony like that, it helps your spirit move on in a good way and also their spirit to move on in a good way,” she said. “It helps you both to move on, instead of staying stuck where you are. It’s almost like a letting go ceremony.”

Discovery of bodies police believe to be B.C. fugitives allows Fox Lake, Gillam communities to exhale again

 

[scrappinkat]

two people sat side by side and put a stick threw trigger area on both firearms then both push the stick it might fire both at the same time.

Different rifles would have triggers that were different pull weights. Unless they were taken to gunsmith and carefully adjusted to be equal trigger pull weights, which is highly unlikely to have happened. The scenario you imagine might sound good but logistically it’s incredibly unlikely.

 

[MistyWaters]

If AS is homeless and living in a van without a legit mailing address, it may be difficult for him to access any services, usually a permanent address is required. JMO

Not having a “permanent residence” doesn’t necessarily equate to the traditional definition of homeliness - having no place to live due to poverty. If one is living with a friend or relative and he doesn’t intend to reside there permanently, then it’s fair to say it’s not a permanent address. I don’t recall him stating he lived in a van. If he did, why would he waste money staying in a Port Alberni hotel to visit his son?


“He’d (AS) stopped at Starbucks for coffee on the way to work, and saw his son’s face on the front page of the Vancouver Sun.”
Missing B.C. teens now suspects in deaths of tourist couple and unidentified man: police

“Schmegelsky says he does not currently have a permanent residence and has been homeless for about two years, staying primarily in Victoria.”
Alan Schmegelsky, father of northern B.C. murder suspect, details troubled life in book

 

[NJSleuth91]

I think his threatened lawsuit for the RCMP is about the video. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to file a lawsuit against his wife over the remains, though. I have a sinking feeling this is just the start of how ugly this fight is going to get. And none of it's going to bring back their son, his best friend, or the three people they killed.

Hate creates hate, pain creates pain, violence creates violence. If the cycle isn't broken, everything will be destroyed. Pretty much the moral of this case.

 

[scrappinkat]

Schmegelsky told CHEK News Saturday that “I just want to lay flowers on my kids grave… I wasn’t invited to his funeral. I don’t even know where he is. Just another stab in my heart by authorities.”..”

I think he was meaning he expected RCMP to support his very reasonable request to be told what was happening to his dead sons body. I imagine he was deeply hurt by the ex-wife refusing to tell him anything or even by believing the police would act on his behalf so he wouldn’t have to talk to his ex-wife. And seems the rcmp turned their backs on his plight, ignoring their ability to intervene and do something positive.