Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[SnooperDuper]

I think he was meaning he expected RCMP to support his very reasonable request to be told what was happening to his dead sons body. I imagine he was deeply hurt by the ex-wife refusing to tell him anything or even by believing the police would act on his behalf so he wouldn’t have to talk to his ex-wife. And seems the rcmp turned their backs on his plight, ignoring their ability to intervene and do something positive.

Once the body is released to the next of kin, the RCMP has no power to make that person divulge funeral and burial plans. They can't intervene. It is up to AS to be an adult and contact his ex-wife in a mature, non-combative manner. I think he'd rather blame everything on the RCMP than do that, though.

He may have burnt a bridge when he handed out that "book" to all the media. Continuing the fight was more important than rallying by his ex-wife's side. Now he has to pay the price.

 

[KR72]

Here's a direct link to the video from the Globe and Mail article (for those behind a paywall). This case profoundly affected the good people of Gillam and Fox Lake. It's amazing to see how these communities pulled together and supported their people. It also seems like they were comforted and made nervous by the increased RCMP and military presence.

Looks like Gillam has a compassionate mayor who kept the people of his community as his priority. My heart broke for Mrs. Beardy, I didn't know she lost a child. Heartbreaking.

Let's hope that all these people are able to put this horrible episode behind them, move on and that their communities return to normal. They're victims too imo, especially the elders and the people who view the land, the river as sacred places. The healing ceremony will certainly help them.

Edit. IMO, this a short, but beautifully done mini-doc.

 

[MistyWaters]

Since it's not legally a will, though, nobody has a legal right/standing to see it, including Kam's parents or Bryer's mother. I really think the RCMP had no mandate to share it with anyone since it was not a legal will, and the people they did share it with they did so as a courtesy. MOO

I admit I’m still stuck on how AS knows police shared 30 seconds of a video with other family members and is his source reliable.

 

[SteveP]

Once the body is released to the next of kin, the RCMP has no power to make that person divulge funeral and burial plans. They can't intervene. It is up to AS to be an adult and contact his ex-wife in a mature, non-combative manner. I think he'd rather blame everything on the RCMP than do that, though.

He may have burnt a bridge when he handed out that "book" to all the media. Continuing the fight was more important than rallying by his ex-wife's side. Now he has to pay the price.

Respectfully, if there still was an active restraining order against him, it probably stated that he was to have no contact with her, including by phone. So...it seems that she would had to have initiated the contact, if that were the case, and she apparently did not and has not.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I admit I’m still stuck on how AS knows police shared 30 seconds of a video with other family members and is his source reliable.

I am sure the source was the Toronto Star, which published the info last Monday. AS has said he is learning about everything from the papers.

"A family member told Star Vancouver that about 30 seconds of the video found on the cellphone have been shared with the families of McLeod and Schmegelsky.

In that brief segment, McLeod and Schmegelsky detailed their wishes for their remains. It was a goodbye, and a “last will and testament,” said the family member, who did not see the video first-hand."

B.C. manhunt suspects recorded final message on phone found with bodies, family says | The Star

 

[sandbar]

Respectfully, if there still was an active restraining order against him, it probably stated that he was to have no contact with her, including by phone. So...it seems that she would have to have initiated the contact, if that were the case, and she apparently did not and has not.

I'd bet my lunch that if you've got a peace bond against someone you cannot (technically) contact them either.

 

[Jan424]

I think it has more to do with keeping it from the media than keeping it from AS. They probably don't trust him to keep quiet.

While I believe AS has a right to see that video and Bryer’s last wishes, I also can understand why they may not trust AS to keep quiet. He’s been running his mouth non stop and must likely be the source of the leak that there was a video in the first place. I don’t mean to sound insensitive, I watched that interview AS gave and my heart broke for him. JMO

 

[Zella]

I'd bet my lunch that if you've got a peace bond against someone you cannot contact them either.

I was wondering that, too. I have long assumed that Bryer served as a medium of communication between his mom's family and his dad, and once he left, any means of even second-hand contact was severed. It's not like his dad lives close enough by to have mutual friends/acquaintances who could play messenger. In fact, my impression is Bryer moved to PA after the divorce, so I doubt Alan really knows anyone in town.

I do wonder if this is something that could be requested of Victim Services, though--to relay a message to him about arrangements for Bryer. I'm not Canadian, so I don't have any experience or familiarity with them and the work they do. MOO

 

[Jan424]

Do we know that a memorial has been held and Bs been cremated or buried?

Not that I’ve heard. It’s entirely possible Bryer’s Mom didn’t even do anything in particular yet. Perhaps she is just keeping his ashes (if cremated) until a later time. Bryer could have wanted them scattered somewhere specific. I could see AS assuming there was a funeral or some sort of burial if he’s kept out of the loop, but maybe that’s not the case. JMO

 

[sandbar]

I was wondering that, too. I have long assumed that Bryer served as a medium of communication between his mom's family and his dad, and once he left, any means of even second-hand contact was severed. It's not like his dad lives close enough by to have mutual friends/acquaintances who could play messenger. In fact, my impression is Bryer moved to PA after the divorce, so I doubt Alan really knows anyone in town.

I do wonder if this is something that could be requested of Victim Services, though--to relay a message to him about arrangements for Bryer. I'm not Canadian, so I don't have any experience or familiarity with them and the work they do. MOO

That would be a helpful service.

 

[scrappinkat]

She's saying AS wants to see it before the public does. He has no standing to demand that, because he is not next-of-kin, DS is. He is, essentially, "the public".

Can't AS just wait quietly for a couple weeks? Or must he take this to the media yet again? I think DS has a valid concern if she feels AS is going to take absolutely everything to the media and court of public opinion every ti

He is the father of Bryer Schmegelsky. Very different than being a member of the public.

More than a little callous to suggest he just sit down and shut up for a couple weeks. He’s the father and IMO has a right to see the video. Unfortunately his ex-wife has decided to exclude him, which IMO is probably exactly how the whole divorce went down.

 

[drama_farmer]

Okay, maybe a stupid question. . .

If the video exists on a phone, is that phone considered evidence? If so, will it remain with the RCMP indefinitely, or be returned to (fill in the blank. . . next of kin, family member, etc???) following a completed investigation?
Would RCMP have the right to remove (delete) anything from the phone before it is returned to (????).
Once the phone is no longer considered evidence, will the contents of that phone become the (legal) property of the person who has possession of it?

Just wondering. IMO

 

[Kiantra]

I’m wondering if we are getting ahead of ourselves. BS body has been released to next of kin but that does not necessarily mean they have viewed the video or have made plans for a funeral/memorial etc. I’m sure the families are distraught and maybe they need time to process it all. They may also be waiting for the final report from the rcmp before any final decision is made, perhaps out of respect for the three victims. Also, the letter was dated Aug 21. Anything could have happened between then and now. In addition, given AS history of harassment and psychological instability I’m not surprised one bit that he has been kept out of the loop. IMO he’s dangerous.

 

[CanadianMade]

In regards to this apparent video and AS....
We can all sit and assume what WE might do in his position, but can any of us really say we would be doing anything differently without actually Being in his position??
If you found out your child was missing, then a suspect of a 3 murders, then charged with 1 of those murders (Without receiving Any information as to why because RCMP doesn't even share evidence even with family), then they were found dead, then discovered there is a video of them with their final wishes that you are not allowed to see As their parent....would you all really just sit back and take it? I know I wouldn't. I'd be wanting all the answers I could get, and I would certainly want to see that video. If I felt the only way to get those answers was to go to the media and put pressure on LE...I would do it. Or at least I THINK I would(especially if the media were pressuring Me into speaking up which I imagine they are doing), but there is really no way I can say for sure without actually Being in his position.

 

[sandbar]

He is the father of Bryer Schmegelsky. Very different than being a member of the public.

More than a little callous to suggest he just sit down and shut up for a couple weeks. He’s the father and IMO has a right to see the video. Unfortunately his ex-wife has decided to exclude him, which IMO is probably exactly how the whole divorce went down.

I, persoanlly, don't think it is callous at all.

 

[sandbar]

In regards to this apparent video and AS....
We can all sit and assume what WE might do in his position, but can any of us really say we would be doing anything differently without actually Being in his position??
If you found out your child was missing, then a suspect of a 3 murders, then charged with 1 of those murders (Without receiving Any information as to why because RCMP doesn't even share evidence even with family), then they were found dead, then discovered there is a video of them with their final wishes that you are not allowed to see As their parent....would you all really just sit back and take it? I know I wouldn't. I'd be wanting all the answers I could get, and I would certainly want to see that video. If I felt the only way to get those answers was to go to the media and put pressure on LE...I would do it. Or at least I THINK I would(especially if the media were pressuring Me into speaking up which I imagine they are doing), but there is really no way I can say for sure without actually Being in his position.

I would be camped out at the RCMP station. And the detectives wouldn't go anywhere without me following. I wouldn't expect my ex-wife, who I have no relationship with, except hostility, to have my best interests at heart.

 

[Schmoosh]

In regards to this apparent video and AS....
We can all sit and assume what WE might do in his position, but can any of us really say we would be doing anything differently without actually Being in his position??
If you found out your child was missing, then a suspect of a 3 murders, then charged with 1 of those murders (Without receiving Any information as to why because RCMP doesn't even share evidence even with family), then they were found dead, then discovered there is a video of them with their final wishes that you are not allowed to see As their parent....would you all really just sit back and take it? I know I wouldn't. I'd be wanting all the answers I could get, and I would certainly want to see that video. If I felt the only way to get those answers was to go to the media and put pressure on LE...I would do it. Or at least I THINK I would(especially if the media were pressuring Me into speaking up which I imagine they are doing), but there is really no way I can say for sure without actually Being in his position.

Well, I do know that I wouldn't be releasing a one-sided mother-bashing book to the whole world during her worst moment.

I also wouldn't be telling the world my son will go out in a blaze of glory.

The guy has always had serious boundary and mental issues, so much so that the courts and mental health professionals had to intervene. He needs to deal with them, not create more.

 

[CanadianMade]

Well, I do know that I wouldn't be releasing a one-sided mother-bashing book to the whole world during her worst moment.

I also wouldn't be telling the world my son will go out in a blaze of glory.

The guy has serious boundary and mental issues, and he needs to deal with them, not create more.

Well, I think those words are highly inappropriate to be saying so to each their own I suppose.

 

[copkid]

In regards to this apparent video and AS....
We can all sit and assume what WE might do in his position, but can any of us really say we would be doing anything differently without actually Being in his position??
If you found out your child was missing, then a suspect of a 3 murders, then charged with 1 of those murders (Without receiving Any information as to why because RCMP doesn't even share evidence even with family), then they were found dead, then discovered there is a video of them with their final wishes that you are not allowed to see As their parent....would you all really just sit back and take it? I know I wouldn't. I'd be wanting all the answers I could get, and I would certainly want to see that video. If I felt the only way to get those answers was to go to the media and put pressure on LE...I would do it. Or at least I THINK I would(especially if the media were pressuring Me into speaking up which I imagine they are doing), but there is really no way I can say for sure without actually Being in his position.

100% Agree

It is IMPOSSIBLE for any of us to know what we would do in this situation.
How does that saying go "don't judge until you are walking in the shoes"

They sure are "shoes" I would never want to find my feet in. JMO

 

[Schmoosh]

I would be camped out at the RCMP station. And the detectives wouldn't go anywhere without me following. I wouldn't expect my ex-wife, who I have no relationship with, except hostility, to have my best interests at heart.

That would probably get him yet another restraining order. Or jail.