Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

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  • #61
Interesting, that article is dated July 31st and I hadn’t ever come across it. Wonder if it was considered unsubstantiated because there wasn’t video.

It can’t be a reliable report. It was Friday, July 19th when the truck and camper was found burning near Dease Lake and by Monday, July 22nd the two were spotted in Gillam, Manitoba 3,300 away and then the RAV4 burning.

“What I’d like to know is, if they were in my shop that Friday and then spotted at another local business the following Sunday, where the hell were they staying those two or three days?” the salon owner stated. “Are they now backtracking? Who knows? It’s a very scary situation because you never know what they could be planning.”....”
Suspects got haircuts in M.L. - Northern Pride
 
  • #62
Yeah it's right after the footage switches from them wandering around the store to them leaving. Kam's sort of in the middle of turning his head back around from looking at the clerk. He nods and says something one syllable. I bet it is "thanks." It seems to match the way his mouth is moving. It's around the same time Bryer seems to be talking to the clerk, too. MOO

I have bookmarked a copy of the surveillance video from one of the Vancouver newspapers' YouTube channels. It's the footage in real time, a slowed down version, and then a zoomed in version as they leave. Very useful for a closer look!
can you post the link please?
 
  • #63
I'm sure we would have known by now if there was a 'work offer up north'.

The police would know...but that doesn't mean we would yet.
 
  • #64
Strange, how could their burning pickup truck be found on 19th, along with Mr D's body near Deese lake, and the 2 suspects be having haircuts the same afternoon in Meadow Lake? Surely the hairdresser got it wrong? But don't they usually have a book in the salon that they write appointments in, which could confirm if 2 men came in together for haircuts that day?

Perhaps they didn't write in the names of drop-in appointments, but they would have a record of which employees were on duty and when.
 
  • #65
Credit to @catdctr who originally shared this, I lost the quote. I had never seen this until now, this just blows my mind. So according to this salon, Kam and Bryer would have been in Meadow Lake for two days! How on earth did those two boys make it from the crime scene of Leonard Dyck to Meadow Lake in that amount of time? It's a 23 hour drive! Unbelievable.

P.S. Judging by the surveillance footage taken on the 21st, two days after this alleged encounter, those don't exactly look like "fresh cuts." A trim maybe, but something seems fishy.

Suspects got haircuts in M.L. - Northern Pride
That doesn't make sense, the owner says they got a haircut on July 19 in Meadow Lake, yet they were in Cold Lake on the 21st
 
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IMO maybe the owner just made it up for attention. I’m not sure what’s included in the autopsy but maybe their physical appearance will be there. With hair length or facial hair information.

I’d bet money the hair stylist spoke out soon after the video of the two spotted at Meadow Lake was released in the media. They can’t have been in Meadow Lake getting their hair cut the same day the truck and camper burned in Dease Lake as it’s 24 hour straight driving time, had the reporter been concerned about fact checking.

But it’s a great example of why the RCMP didn’t release a prior timeline during the manhunt - suddenly the media is filled with excited utterances “oh yah I saw them and this or that is how they acted”....whether it’s true or a mistaken encounter, it’s their 15 minutes of fame.

The RCMP did state they were working on a timeline so stay tuned...after that’s released there will be more to come I’m sure.

It’s too bad these two didn’t get this much public attention while they were alive, maybe they wouldn’t have murdered 3 innocent people.
 
  • #68
The bogus haircut report makes me a lot less sure about the gun shop reported sighting.
 
  • #69
I'm sure we would have known by now if there was a 'work offer up north'

Why?? The RCMP have confirmed next to nothing as of yet and the Mcleod family isn’t saying anything. So why expect that’s something we would obviously know by now?
 
  • #70
The link for the clerk at the Meadow Lake store where they were caught on video is here, she said Bryer was polite and said Thank You, etc. (Note: note the seemingly false hair salon one)
https://meadowlakenow.com/2019/08/0...-spotting-b-c-murder-suspects-informing-rcmp/
Meadow Lake resident recalls spotting B.C. murder suspects, informing RCMP
Aug 09, 2019
As coroners in Manitoba perform autopsies on two bodies believed to be that of Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky, the resident who spotted them in Meadow Lake is now reflecting on the interaction.
RCMP assistant commissioner Jane MacLatchy said officers located two male bodies the morning of Aug. 7 near the shoreline of the Nelson River in dense brush. The bodies were located a kilometre from where several items linked to the two young men were previously found and eight kilometres from where a burned out SUV connected to the pair was located three weeks ago.
McLeod, 19, and Schmegelsky, 18, of Port Alberni on Vancouver Island, were spotted at a hardware store in Meadow Lake by Carla on July 21. She did not want to provide her last name to meadowlakeNOW for privacy concerns.
She notified RCMP the next day after recognizing their faces in a news article when the two were still considered missing. Carla said the RCMP called her back the next day and confirmed she had seen the two B.C. men.
She remembered the two being tall and said Schmegelsky was wearing military-style clothing but had no military decorations.
“I am super sad because those two boys that I saw, that I didn’t know were missing or suspects, were just your normal, everyday young people. Bryer was polite when he was talked to and he said thank you. I’m sad that those two boys had such disturbed perspectives, that they had the childhood they did,” Carla said.
Schmegelsky and McLeod, who were childhood friends, led police on a manhunt that spanned four provinces after they were identified as suspects in the shooting deaths of Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese. Their bodies were found beside their van on the Alaska Highway on July 15.
On July 19, the body of 64-year-old Leonard Dyck was found on a highway pullout about 470 kilometres southwest of where Fowler and Deese were killed.
Carla said she is sad for the victim’s families as closure will be tough to come by and a proper course of justice is going to be missing.
However, she said she is “relieved that everybody can now relax and not think that they’ve seen them here or there.”
“Hopefully all the speculation can actually stop,” she added.
Carla said the experience was stressful, unnerving and “very uncomfortable.”
“There’s definitely nothing sensationally cool about having called it in,” Carla said.

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Twitter: @Nikitaganov
 
  • #71
The bogus haircut report makes me a lot less sure about the gun shop reported sighting.
Exactly...the gun shop, the haircut, the dump, Kapuskasing, the call to the cabbie...there have been a lot of false leads.
 
  • #72
Quote from AS -

“He said he sent the book to reporters to highlight how a “broken system” has shaped him and his son.

“My son and I have been treated like footballs. It’s time for some truth,” he said...”
B.C. murder suspect’s father reveals details of troubled life in book


Whenever anybody refers to “the system” in regard to a child being treated like “a football”, it almost always refers to child placements arranged through Child Protection Services. In the Province of B.C. The definition of a child is someone under the age of 19 although other links indicate a child does have right to choose to “leave home” if they’re financially supported.

This indicates to me there’s a good chance there was prior Family Court intervention and so the grandmother was appointed custodial guardian as the best option, as the mother reportedly was fearful of his angry outbursts and along with the father’s harassment convictions, mental health and homelessness situation. It also may be the reason why B left under the guise of seeking employment, so the grandmother agreed with his plan.

More BC family law here -
If your parents separate, can you decide who you want to live with? | LSS Family Law
 
  • #73
Trevor Pierre said their bodies were about 5 metres (16.4 feet) apart. I saw the blurred images and can only think he misspoke as it looked more like 5' to me.

In the picture the bodies do look closer together then 16’, but I know that a camera can easily distort distances so Mr Pierre’s estimate is most likely the more accurate one.
 
  • #74
The bogus haircut report makes me a lot less sure about the gun shop reported sighting.

Me too; I agree with you. Its a weird dynamic when everyone wants to be a little part of the picture. Reminds me of when people spend a week's vacation in NYC, where I lived for 41 years. One week of vacay there and they're an expert. Similarly, when a high-profile case like this occurs, everybody pipes up that "they were there".
 
  • #75
Why?? The RCMP have confirmed next to nothing as of yet and the Mcleod family isn’t saying anything. So why expect that’s something we would obviously know by now?

I agree. An opportunity to find work to young men with nothing other than a stint at Walmart under their belts can be something as simple as a friend’s passing along what his 2nd cousin who works somewhere up north said “there’s lots of jobs up here!”

But as another WS member pointed out, by mid-July the hiring season is already over in the far north country because the summer season is very short. So it’s possible they found out after they set out that a potential opportunity in Whitehorse was no longer hiring.
 
  • #76
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  • #77
The bogus haircut report makes me a lot less sure about the gun shop reported sighting.
Exactly...the gun shop, the haircut, the dump, Kapuskasing, the call to the cabbie...there have been a lot of false leads.

110% agreed. There were a lot of sighting in Ontario as well, such as a report of them driving up to a highway worker and threatening him with a gun, and making an obscene gesture. Given that we known know they were dead at the time, I consider that sighting as just a tad doubtful.
Seriously though, my usual rule is to be a bit of a cynic. I doubt unconfirmed reports, and I also doubt any media reports within 24 hours of a major event occurring. (not just on this case, but on anything).

So, I have doubted the gun store story since hearing it. That doesn't mean I'm sure it's not true, just that I have no idea whether it's true or not.
As a practical matter, as long as the gun store story is unconfirmed, IMHO it is an open question as to how they got the guns, and what types they were.
 
  • #78
I hope I am not reposting but haven't seen this posted myself, apparently 60 minutes has been with BS's dad again, and there is a snip of him saying "his troubles are over" taken from an interview after he was informed BS was deceased. So our guess that 60 minutes were still hanging around and that he was signed for an exclusive seem to have been correct. CTV National News: B.C. suspects died by suicide
 
  • #79
I hope I am not reposting but haven't seen this posted myself, apparently 60 minutes has been with BS's dad again, and there is a snip of him saying "his troubles are over" taken from an interview after he was informed BS was deceased. So our guess that 60 minutes were still hanging around and that he was signed for an exclusive seem to have been correct. CTV National News: B.C. suspects died by suicide
I'm pretty sure that footage is in the original 60 Minutes Australia story and not new. I'm 99% sure I've seen it before, and I remember discussion on here that it was sad that he was with a reporter when he got that news rather than family/friends and whether it was strictly ethical to continue an interview with someone after just receiving that news. MOO

Edited to add: I believe it was him getting news about bodies being found. Autopsies had not been performed yet, but the RCMP had already said they were pretty sure it was them. Alan did not yet know his son had killed himself at that point.
 
  • #80
So, I have doubted the gun store story since hearing it. That doesn't mean I'm sure it's not true, just that I have no idea whether it's true or not.
As a practical matter, as long as the gun store story is unconfirmed, IMHO it is an open question as to how they got the guns, and what types they were.

It's definitely unconfirmed. However, it did spark discussion about whether the firearms could have been purchased legally, and now after that discussion it seems more likely to us that Kam actually did have a gun license and they were.

I hope I am not reposting but haven't seen this posted myself, apparently 60 minutes has been with BS's dad again, and there is a snip of him saying "his troubles are over" taken from an interview after he was informed BS was deceased. So our guess that 60 minutes were still hanging around and that he was signed for an exclusive seem to have been correct. CTV National News: B.C. suspects died by suicide

That was from the original interview.
 
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