Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[Moriarty]

Wish I didn't start mine after a week of following the case. I missed some good stuff I can't find. My archive needs some sorting. Got so much stuff in it that it is getting a bit unwieldy. Gonna try to do a better job of indexing it properly sometime this week when I get a chance.

Two big take-aways for me from following this thread from the beginning:

1) Online news stories aren't necessarily archived in their original form and change over time as newer information comes up, not to mention the flood of stories quoting stories quoting stories, making it very tough to find original sources again (there's something very 1984 about that: it's like our weekly ration of chocolate went up from 15 grams to 10 grams per week...). In the spirit of @Zella archive!

2) Witnesses often add more confusion than clarity when looking at the big picture. I am really questioning every witness account I come across now in all aspects of my life thanks to this case!

 

[MistyWaters]

I think the motivation for starting the first fire was a combination of "It'll be cool!" and "Maybe they'll think we're dead in the fire?"

I think the motivation for the second fire was "Why not? We already know how."

Yes or maybe as the first attempt didn’t successfully start a forest fire, they tried it again. Had Beady and his wife not been berry picking and spotted the flames it may well have. It would be very difficult for police to conduct a search at the same time as a fire crew was engaged in battling a forest fire.

By the time they abandoned the RAV4, I just can’t see only destroying evidence to a priority given it also brought attention to their location, becoming apparent they were on foot. And given they fled thousands of km, their intention was not to be noticed, much less arrested.

So why not cause a forest fire and the RAV4 wouldn’t have been found for quite some time in amongst a raging fire for miles around it.

 

[Zella]

Two big take-aways for me from following this thread from the beginning:

1) Online news stories aren't necessarily archived in their original form and change over time as newer information comes up, not too mention the flood of stories quoting stories quoting stories, making it very tough to find original sources again (there's something very 1984 about that: it's like our weekly ration of chocolate went up from 15 grams to 10 grams per week...). In the spirit of @Zella archive!

2) Witnesses often add more confusion than clarity when looking at the big picture. I am really questioning every witness account I come across now in all aspects of my life thanks to this case!

Yes some of them are being sneaky and adding additional information/revising information in-text without just clarifying those changes at the end of the article. I don't like that!

 

[Gina20]

By the time they abandoned the RAV4, I just can’t see only destroying evidence to a priority given it also brought attention to their location, becoming apparent they were on foot. And given they fled thousands of km, their intention was not to be noticed, much less arrested.

One of the recurring themes in this story is how remote and isolated everything is. But the world is a small place now.

For all its remoteness in Hudson's Hope, Lucas Fowler (son of a high-ranking police officer) came from Australia to work on a ranch owned by people who came from Switzerland originally, a ranch which is part of another company with other food producers that have an office in Dubai, UAE. And Lucas Fowler left the ranch with Chynna Deese, an American citizen.

If these two were hoping to fly under the radar when they set out, with or without knowing it, they did everything to attract international attention. It is no wonder world media outlets sent reporters to cover the story.

 

[NJSleuth91]

1) Online news stories aren't necessarily archived in their original form and change over time as newer information comes up, not to mention the flood of stories quoting stories quoting stories, making it very tough to find original sources again (there's something very 1984 about that: it's like our weekly ration of chocolate went up from 15 grams to 10 grams per week...). In the spirit of @Zella archive!

A good workaround is to use an archiving site like archive.is to preserve a snapshot of the webpage.

 

[MistyWaters]

Two big take-aways for me from following this thread from the beginning:

1) Online news stories aren't necessarily archived in their original form and change over time as newer information comes up, not too mention the flood of stories quoting stories quoting stories, making it very tough to find original sources again (there's something very 1984 about that: it's like our weekly ration of chocolate went up from 15 grams to 10 grams per week...). In the spirit of @Zella archive!

2) Witnesses often add more confusion than clarity when looking at the big picture. I am really questioning every witness account I come across now in all aspects of my life thanks to this case!

I’m somewhat sceptical over witness reports too. Often when official information is released by police the facts are far different than the story the general public has gleaned from sketchy tidbits released by the media.

The thing is “freedom of the press” doesn’t require reporters to vet out truth in their stories even though for whatever reason, some people still believe everything they read in the media must be true. Witnesses who talk to the media fall somewhere between truthful, mistaken or downright untruthful as the media is only required to accurately report what they state.

The flurry of Ontario sightings is a good example of false information.

 

[FactFinder3000]

The current forest fire risk in northern BC is 'very low.' I doubt they gave a potential forest fire much consideration at all. It was about burning the truck and camper.

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Also, what is that circular road almost directly north of where Kam and Bryer's bodies were found? I was thinking antenna array perhaps?

That's part of the electrical generating facilities in the area. It's a grounding rod or array.

 

[LoisLane]

Maybe the doppelganger who posed with the Manitoba Sun newspaper was part of the other sightings such as Ontario or maybe an even stranger coincidence the salon at Meadow Lake. The pic of him with the newspaper was at a campground or park setting and they had access to a MB newspaper so he had to have accessed the paper somehow.

I wish the details was explained in how that look-a-like was ruled out - and his location.

 

[CinNC]

Could you find this report of them sliding off the road? Was that documented? That's interesting.

Hoo boy. I can look, but at this point, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. It would require randomly searching for and reading entire articles. If I come across it I'll share the link. BTW, it was VERY early on, when the RAV4 was first discovered. I don't remember it having been a proven fact, just someone's observation based on the road, the turn, and tire tracks.

 

[Zella]

Maybe the doppelganger who posed with the Manitoba Sun newspaper was part of the other sightings such as Ontario or maybe an even stranger coincidence the salon at Meadow Lake. The pic of him with the newspaper was at a campground or park setting and they had access to a MB newspaper so he had to have accessed the paper somehow.

I wish the details was explained in how that look-a-like was ruled out - and his location.

That whole ordeal was so bizarre and then just got dropped.

Edited to add: I never thought it was Kam, but still, it was weird. Like this whole case.

 

[LoisLane]

That whole ordeal was so bizarre and then just got dropped.

Edited to add: I never thought it was Kam, but still, it was weird. Like this whole case.

I still could believe it was him. I could argue the mole, the teeth, facial hair, and the hairline but I won’t!

Still, if this person was legit in Manitoba then investigators could have tracked his whereabouts against sightings in order to rule out possible locations.

 

[MistyWaters]

The current forest fire risk in northern BC is 'very low.' I doubt they gave a potential forest fire much consideration at all. It was about burning the truck and camper.



That's part of the electrical generating facilities in the area. It's a grounding rod or array.

That’s a current fire risk report following a period of heavy rainfall, not from July. With all due respect, I strongly disagree they didn’t give forest fire risk any consideration. One can’t live in BC (or Alberta) without being aware of the frequency of forest fires as the topic is prominently featured. Forest fire danger in wooded areas of Canada is extremely well known and continually reinforced by the media - to compare with, for example, in urban areas females know to avoid swinging around a large purse when walking alone along down a dark, quiet street because that poses a temptation for theft.

In B.C. -
“As of Saturday, July 6, there have been 448 fires since April 1, including 25 in the last seven days.”
BC Wildfire Service predicting normal fire conditions in July for most of province

 

[CanadianMade]

That co-op store in Meadow lake wasn't too easy to find, as it doesn't seem to show up in major search engines. In case anyone is wondering precisely where it is, it's here;
Google Maps
If you look in the reflection as the suspects exit the door (in the meadow lake vid), you see the building across the street (still has the same paint job).

I'd love to know what those two were looking for in that hardware store. They went down an aisle marked "seasonal" but I can't make out what sort of items were actually on the aisle. K did seem to be looking for something, and they seemed to know where they were going (maybe they'd asked as they entered?).

If someone has already said this, apologies. I'm a few pages behind...
The co-op actually has a website with photos on it. I am pretty sure you can even see where the camera inside the store in one of them. Above the door in the back.

Service Centre and Agro | Meadow Lake Co-op

ETA: Scrolled down and see that @LoisLane has already posted it(thanks ). I'll leave it just in case.

 

[copkid]

I also read (weeks ago) that someone determined they took a turn too fast and skidded off into the ditch with the RAV4. So maybe they couldnt get it out or it wouldn't start. JMO, as always.

Could you find this report of them sliding off the road? Was that documented?

Nothing confirmed that they slipped off the road with the Rav 4 but it was suggested as a possibility by a photo journalist that was in Gillam.

Thread #11 Post #1406.

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe the doppelganger who posed with the Manitoba Sun newspaper was part of the other sightings such as Ontario or maybe an even stranger coincidence the salon at Meadow Lake. The pic of him with the newspaper was at a campground or park setting and they had access to a MB newspaper so he had to have accessed the paper somehow.

I wish the details was explained in how that look-a-like was ruled out - and his location.

I thought I read somewhere the lookalike posted the photo on FB as a joke because his appearance was similar and, well we know how FB goes. What may’ve got shared only 10 times with people who knew him then got shared 1000s of times in excited glee, even though the person obviously wasn’t an exact lookalike.

 

[CinNC]

Nothing confirmed that they slipped off the road with the Rav 4 but it was suggested as a possibility by a photo journalist that was in Gillam.

Thread #11 Post #1406.

I'm pretty sure I read it. Didn't see it in a video. I'll give it a look. I really didn't start looking as carefully at the sources and articles for info until the search was well underway. While I have good recall and a good memory, I was just casually reading about this until the manhunt in the Gillam area had reached huge proportions.

 

[FactFinder3000]

That’s a current fire risk report following a period of heavy rainfall, not from July. With all due respect, I strongly disagree they didn’t give forest fire risk any consideration. One can’t live in BC (or Alberta) without being aware of the frequency of forest fires as the topic is prominently featured. Forest fire danger in wooded areas of Canada is extremely well known and continually reinforced by the media - to compare with, for example, in urban areas females know to avoid swinging around a large purse when walking alone along down a dark, quiet street because that poses a temptation for theft.

In B.C. -
“As of Saturday, July 6, there have been 448 fires since April 1, including 25 in the last seven days.”
BC Wildfire Service predicting normal fire conditions in July for most of province

The number of fires at that time tells us nothing. The current total is 682 with 33 currently burning. Yet the risk in northern BC is still 'very low.'

Anyway, I'm just going to drop that line of reasoning. I'll just strongly disagree that they were trying to start a forest fire. Wouldn't they have driven into the trees if that was the case? They could have directly lit a few trees on fire. And how does a forest fire help them in any way? They were destroying evidence and/or their possessions.

Same with the RAV4. A forest fire would just draw attention toward the RAV4, not away from it.

 

[sprucetip]

The current forest fire risk in northern BC is 'very low.' I doubt they gave a potential forest fire much consideration at all. It was about burning the truck and camper.

That's part of the electrical generating facilities in the area. It's a grounding rod or array.

It's low now because it's cooled off in northern BC, they even had some snow. But in mid-July this summer it would have been higher. There were restricted and prohibited bans in July across mid to northern BC.

But I also don't think they thought about a forest fire at all. I think it was just yet another destructive act for them to live out whatever fantasy it was they were living out. I can't imagine burning your own (or parents) vehicle and camper. I think it was to get rid of most of their belongings, they can't be so naive to think that it wouldn't be traced back to them. But maybe the delay is what they were hoping for.

 

[LoisLane]

I thought I read somewhere the lookalike posted the photo on FB as a joke because his appearance was similar and, well we know how FB goes. What may’ve got shared only 10 times with people who knew him then got shared 1000s of times in excited glee, even though the person obviously wasn’t an exact lookalike.

Yes it was said to be a joke started on FB. IIRC RCMP said something along the lines of not to rely on social media or not to report sightings on SM but to call it in to police.

For me the resemblance is uncanny. The guy with the paper just looked a bit more ‘unglued’ then the supplied images we have of KM. Dilated pupils and all. But according to Police it was not KM.

Social media photo is not B.C. murder suspect Kam McLeod, police say

 

[MistyWaters]

It's low now because it's cooled off in northern BC, they even had some snow. But in mid-July this summer it would have been higher. There were restricted and prohibited bans in July across mid to northern BC.

But I also don't think they thought about a forest fire at all. I think it was just yet another destructive act for them to live out whatever fantasy it was they were living out. I can't imagine burning your own (or parents) vehicle and camper. I think it was to get rid of most of their belongings, they can't be so naive to think that it wouldn't be traced back to them. But maybe the delay is what they were hoping for.

Ironically it was the burning vehicle that brought immediate attention to their disappearance. If they were looking to buy time they could’ve driven to a private campground, paid a few days fee and nobody would’ve been the wiser they were long gone and the next camping fee was due. Or just parked in the bush, until somebody noticed and reported the truck and camper abandoned, it would’ve went unnoticed. Smoke and fire is guaranteed to create attention at some point in time and a vehicle burning in the bush would not just burn itself out without spreading to adjacent areas. That’s just the nature of fire and why wood is well known to be used in campfires.

That’s one of the puzzling aspects to this case, the burning of vehicles, not once but twice.

There’s something very unusual about this photo of the burned truck which doesn’t make any sense. Notice the vegetation and trees including the green weeds right behind the truck box which the camper was sitting atop of...that reportedly melted due to the high intensity heat? JMO but the site of the burning truck and camper can’t have been exactly where some of the media reports state, at the same site as this photo. I think it was towed out of the deeper bush.


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