Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

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  • #501
This treatment of AS is a mess IMHO.
I don't approve of some of the things AS has done (media interviews) but to exclude him from seeing the video, exclude him from the funeral, and exclude him from even knowing were his son is buried... majorly messed up IMHO.

Maybe Bryer didn't even have a funeral or burial. I said before I doubt either of them will be buried due to the potential for the gravesite to be vandalized...my guess is they will be cremated and stuck in the back of a closet somewhere.

I wonder if the McLoud family all got to see the vid, or just the legal next of kin? If the former, I suspect AS might have very good reason to have a lawyer.

Kam was on the video too according to the news articles about it. They said the part of the video shown to the families was both of them saying goodbye to their families and saying what they wanted done with their remains, and that it was a 30-second clip of a longer video, the contents of which are unknown.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/20/fugitives-that-caused-canadian-manhunt-left-goodbye-video/

I in no way believe what I'm about to say excuses or diminishes the murders B committed and/or aided, but I'm starting to get a pretty good hunch as to part of the reason he was messed up in the head; brutal family warfare. I wonder if this is what AS meant when he was referring to B's "pain" in an interview a while back?

Yeah, I knew from the small part that we and the legal system knew about of the dysfunction, that the actual situation was probably many times worse than we know about. It always is. I feel bad saying "I totally called this" given the situation, but, I totally called this :( I think Bryer's dad was right about that and Bryer was in a lot of pain for years, as well as having a distorted view of what normal social interaction was, and his family situation was one big reason why. As the saying goes, "hurt people hurt people."
 
  • #502
No. The lawyer received an official email from RCMP. The “google letterhead” was either printed from her and given to AS or AS used gmail and printed it. Gmail is used by smaller organizations and does not have to contain @gmail.com. So she very well could use the platform for email.

ETA. Hopefully the news publisher verified it. Lawyer might be upset that AS leaked it.

The lawyer is quoted in the article about the email from RCMP so she is not in the dark about this at all, and I would guess she provided it. The only quote I see from AS is this:

Schmegelsky told CHEK News Saturday that “I just want to lay flowers on my kids grave… I wasn’t invited to his funeral. I don’t even know where he is. Just another stab in my heart by authorities.”


 
  • #503
If the video was considered a will of sorts wouldn’t a lawyer be assigned to it to relay to families and not the RCMP?
 
  • #504
Maybe Bryer didn't even have a funeral or burial. I said before I doubt either of them will be buried due to the potential for the gravesite to be vandalized...my guess is they will be cremated and stuck in the back of a closet somewhere.
SBM

That's very possible. It's also likely if there was a service, it was very small and very private. I'm also thinking between the elements and what I assume were headshots from the suicides that neither Kam nor Bryer were ever going to have an open casket.

I do think, though, that if he wanted to spend some time with his son's remain privately, that should have been granted to him and wouldn't have required anyone on the other side of the family to interact with him.
 
  • #505
The lawyer is quoted in the article about the email from RCMP so she is not in the dark about this at all, and I would guess she provided it. The only quote I see from AS is this:

Schmegelsky told CHEK News Saturday that “I just want to lay flowers on my kids grave… I wasn’t invited to his funeral. I don’t even know where he is. Just another stab in my heart by authorities.”

I agree. Also, disclaimers about relaying content of emails is a whole other legal matter that can be fought by the RCMP if they had issued a disclaimer but seeing as she is a lawyer she probably knows if it has legs or not.
 
  • #506
The lawyer is quoted in the article about the email from RCMP so she is not in the dark about this at all, and I would guess she provided it. The only quote I see from AS is this:

Schmegelsky told CHEK News Saturday that “I just want to lay flowers on my kids grave… I wasn’t invited to his funeral. I don’t even know where he is. Just another stab in my heart by authorities.”

What does he think “authorities” have to do with his son’s funeral, unless there’s a valid protection order again him, filed through the Courts by his ex-wife.

Regardless I’m disappointed, more drama. This tragedy is about the three innocent victims who lost their lives, not AS spouting off to the media because that’s not going to fix his woes.
 
  • #507
Maybe Bryer didn't even have a funeral or burial. I said before I doubt either of them will be buried due to the potential for the gravesite to be vandalized...my guess is they will be cremated and stuck in the back of a closet somewhere.

100% agree with you. I think they were probably cremated, possibly even in Winnipeg after the autopsy. It costs a ton to ship bodies too and what's the point if they're not umm..."viable" for a traditional funeral.
 
  • #508
What does he think “authorities” have to do with his son’s funeral, unless there’s a valid protection order again him, filed through the Courts by his wife.

Regardless I’m disappointed, more drama. This tragedy is about the three innocent victims who lost their lives, not AS because spouting off to the media is not going to fix his woes.
I don't think the authorities have anything to do with the funeral stuff, either, but I can't help but feel bad for him. Though what their children did is horrible and inexcusable, Bryer's and Kam's families are victims, too.
 
  • #509
Hate to say it, but as soon as I read that article, my first thought was "No wonder Bryer spent so much time camping out at Kam's house" I would venture to say that the deep animosity between his parents was a recurring topic of conversation at all hours since when you're that mad at someone you can't not talk about it. That's oppressive to be trapped in that sort of environment, and I suspect he heard it at both parents' homes. I'd want out of there, too, to escape it as much as possible.

They fought over him like cats and dogs while he was alive and continue to do so after he's dead. :(

Yeah multiple people around Port Alberni who were interviewed basically said Bryer would spend as much time as other peoples' houses as possible to avoid being at home. And that continued long after the divorce too. For a kid to not want to be in their own home, it has to be really terrible, IMO.

And it takes a lot to actually serve time for harassment. He had to have been extreme in his harassment technique, to be arrested, charged and sent to jail.

We lived through a similar psycho -stalker- divorce - situation and it was nasty and very scary. I am not going to blame this woman until I hear her side of things. All we have heard is his complaints about being 'left out.' But maybe there is good reason for him to be excluded from family events.

I think he may have some extreme anger issues that worried some of his son's relatives.

Agreed. As someone who grew up with this, trust me, you have to do something REALLY bad to get arrested for harassment or have a restraining order taken out against you.

I have some, um, interesting relatives, and in my experience, funeral homes can work wonders with family estrangements. If Bryer's mom's family didn't want to be around him at the funeral, which I understand given the history between them, I still think something could have been arranged for the dad's side at a separate time.

I'll give an example from my own life (I hope this isn't personalizing too much). I'm estranged from my mom. She's tried to murder me before. She accused me and my husband of joining ISIS (a totally baseless accusation that was just her being racist). Those are just some examples of her insane behavior so you get the idea. Anyway, when my brother got married, both of us were there, in the same room, for hours. We didn't interact, and it was fine if a bit awkward. Usually people can figure something out in these situations. With a funeral there could be different visiting hours or something. In order for there to be a situation where nothing could even be worked out, it would have to be like a total scorched earth thing.
 
  • #510
I agree. Also, disclaimers about relaying content of emails is a whole other legal matter that can be fought by the RCMP if they had issued a disclaimer but seeing as she is a lawyer she probably knows if it has legs or not.

I’ll believe it when the email is publicly verified by either the lawyer or the RCMP. That a lawyer would send gmail (to who?) instead of using her professional office email is a red flag IMO.

Do you remember the early arrest alert on the Security Services website that never happened? We never learned what that was about either.
 
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  • #511
Perhaps Bryer requested that his mother arrange cremation without a funeral or memorial service in the aforementioned video.
 
  • #512
SBM

That's very possible. It's also likely if there was a service, it was very small and very private. I'm also thinking between the elements and what I assume were headshots from the suicides that neither Kam nor Bryer were ever going to have an open casket.

I do think, though, that if he wanted to spend some time with his son's remain privately, that should have been granted to him and wouldn't have required anyone on the other side of the family to interact with him.

It's possible the service was at his mom's or grandma's home and not even at a funeral home (especially considering they might be concerned about the media or angry townspeople finding out). In that case it would make sense why he wasn't invited. JMO.
 
  • #513
Guessing from the email, she forwarded it to a gmail account, her own email is also blocked out.

The address and the @rcmp-grc.gc.ca is legit, which would be easy enough to fake, but why would any lawyer do that? I don't see that happening. jmo

This is one savvy lawyer, Top 40 Under 40, called to speak before Senate, Twitter friendly, etc. Knows what she’s doing.

Forty under 40: Sarah Leamon
 
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Yeah multiple people around Port Alberni who were interviewed basically said Bryer would spend as much time as other peoples' houses as possible to avoid being at home. And that continued long after the divorce too. For a kid to not want to be in their own home, it has to be really terrible, IMO.

SBM - You're probably right, it sounds awful from what we know of his family but on the other side I spent lots of time away from my home during teenage years too.

Once my older sibling left for university my house was BORING (I was instantly a single child!) with one parent working shift work so I preferred going to other people's houses where there was action lol! I was practically adopted by my best friend's family as she had lots of siblings, no cable TV and her house was a blast and crazy where the kids where running around. It was a loud, open and fun environment not like my quiet boring house.

I do think it's common but I agree with you, in Bryer's case sounds like escapism from dysfunction, loneliness and sadness maybe.
 
  • #515
I have tried to make myself a short timeline of the relevant and confirmed information we know at the present time, which probably may need some amendment: (don't know if I can post here, delete if needed, but all either have links to sources or is noted as my own opinion!)

Timeline
A few days before leaving?
Person says they saw BS and KM purchasing a hunting rifle and ammunition at a shop in Port Alberni. New witness in teen murder spree case Unconfirmed
12/7/19
BS and KM leave home, telling BS’s father AS they are heading to Alberta and BS’s grandmother they are heading to Whitehorse. (unsure what they told KM’s family). Driving camper truck owned by KM’s family. AS, father of BS gets message saying: “We are going to Alberta today so I won’t have internet for a while. I’ll talk to you when I can”, he also told CHEK News that Bryer has relatives who live in Red Deer Alberta
Suspect’s dad believes Canadian teens in hiding from real killer
13/7/19 Approx. 7.30pm CD and LF spotted on video buying fuel at Fort Nelson.
14/7/19 Sunday CD and LF’s van breaks down approx. 20k south of Liard Hot Springs. They decline offer of assistance, believing their van is flooded and they can get it going. They camp overnight on side of road. Police looking for anyone with dashcam footage from 4pm 14/7/19 to 8am 15/7/19.
Approx. 11pm a 6’3 approx. height Caucasian man, darker skin and darker hair, seen speaking to CD and LF, standing in middle of the road with his arms out, by passing motorist, who felt uneasy and worried with what she saw. Possible older Jeep Cherokee with black stripe on hood, facing southbound. ‘Still troubled by it’: Witness recounts securing the scene of northern B.C. double murder
15/7/19 Monday Chynna and Lucas found dead approx. 20k’s south of Liard Hot Springs. Reported to police between 6.10 and 7.30am?? Police take 4 hours to arrive at murder scene.
Young couple found in northern BC died from gunshot wounds: RCMP | News
it takes (3?) days to identify the murder victims due to inconsistencies with the van registration and identifying items being removed from the victims. (CD’s passport is found hidden in the van approx. 3 days after her murder). Witness describes their bodies laying in similar fashion, with one arm under their body and one splayed out in similar fashion, indicating possibly dragged aside and rolled onto the front by same person (MOO). Despite reports van rear door window shot from inside, it looks to me like it could have been shot out from the outside (MOO). Australian media report both victims died of gunshot wounds, RCMP later confirm this.
18/7/19 Thursday, BS and KM spotted on video at Super A general store at Dease Lake approx. 3.15pm
Also spotted at Jade City store, north of Dease Lake getting free coffee (unsure of time, but knowing this could be very helpful).
Teens missing after burning truck and body found in Northern BC | News
- Rumours that 2 men were seen hitchhiking on opposite sides of the highway during past few days (unconfirmed)
19/7/19 Truck found on fire approx. 50k’s south of Dease lake, near Stikine Bridge after a report made to RCMP at Dease Lake. (in turn off on the side of road heading south?)
Body of Leonard D found approx. 2 k’s south of the burning truck on same day after a motorist notified police they had seen what looked like a body (on the side of the road heading north?) (Body appears to have been dragged and laid to one side and may have been dragged and left in similar fashion to CD and LF)
19/7/19 Hairdresser says that BS and Km got haircuts and KM got a beard trim at around 1pm
(Unconfirmed, later pics show KM's appears to not have been trimmed at all, need to add location)
21/7/19 approx. 11am
– KM and BS are spotted in Cold Lake where a local resident, not knowing who they are, helps them free a stuck Toyota Rav 4 they are driving.
Possibly on same day, no time given?? KM and BS are captured on security camera footage at a store in Meadow Lake, Sask.
July 22 – Band constables with Tataskweyak Cree Nation at Split Lake in northern Manitoba talk with McLeod and Schmegelsky after pulling them over when they drive through a check stop, unaware of who they are. (no guns reported to have been seen in vehicle, but easy to hide).
July 22 - BS and KM buy $20 of fuel at local servo
July 23 - Fox Lake Cree Nation says a burned-out vehicle (still burning) is found near Gillam, about 170 kilometres east of Split Lake. Police search that area. (BS and KM apparently eat oranges and pork chops, set fire to the vehicle and walk into the bush, possibly following a small stream bed toward the river).
July 24 - RCMP confirm the burned-out vehicle near Gillam is the Toyota Rav 4 the suspects are believed to have been driving. (It appears that Police then identify LD through this vehicle). (Keys and other items found near the vehicle are ignored by RCMP but days later site is re-searched)
Sometime between July 23 and July 28 I believe CM and BS died. I believe BS died before his 19th B'day, MOO. I have only read reports the coroner said “probably” died of gunfire, indicating their remains were not in good condition. If they did die from suicide by gunfire, I feel they would have sat opposite each other, aimed at each other, counted down and shot at same time after completing their goodbye video. (I had originally thought they may use hanging if they had no guns).
July 28 - RCMP descend on York Landing, an isolated community southwest of Gillam, after it's reported the suspects were seen at the local dump.
July 29 - RCMP are unable to confirm the sighting and pull back to Gillam
A timeline of events in the B.C. to Manitoba manhunt
1/8/19 Warning issued by ABASAND Esso that BS and Km were spotted in Parkland, Fairview AB on video some time before this date. (provides some proof they were in Fairview some time along the way, link on WS somewhere!)
7/8/2019 Bodies of KM and BS found in thick brush approx. 8km from the site of burned vehicle and approx. 1 km from river bank. Cause of death determined to be suicide by gunshot. (possibly retreating into thick brush to seek some possible shelter from cold and to try to avoid insects, animals and searchers)
Possibly tried going down river in boat, one or both could have been injured, belongings scattered on shore nearby, would guns have also got wet?

I have avoided including too much speculation in this, if I have anything here incorrect it would be great to know, as it is difficult sifting through multiple incorrect news reports to find information!
 
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  • #516
I don't think the authorities have anything to do with the funeral stuff, either, but I can't help but feel bad for him. Though what their children did is horrible and inexcusable, Bryer's and Kam's families are victims, too.

Yes but do you think it’s appropriate then for his ex wife, who’s a victim as well, to be compelled to respond to AS’s ongoing concerns and complaints about her via the media?

So that the public can become involved in determining who’s right and who’s wrong without knowing any of the facts about their personal or prior marital disputes? During a time when their son is making headline news for having fled across the country after being accused of the murder of three innocent people and subsequently found dead by suicide?
 
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  • #517

That's not the sense I got from the articles. His former friend's mom (who was also a neighbor) said that from ages 11-13 he was at their house all the time, and that he had a "s****y home life" and "this was his fun house." Basically implying he couldn't have fun at home. I also saw another article that said other people around town said much the same thing, that he avoided being at home after the divorce. This is a small town so I guess gossip gets around. I can't find the sources right now so, JMO (why do I keep not saving sources?!)

I'm sure it did help that Kam's family had a lot more money and property to run around in, though.
 
  • #518
I’ll believe it when the email is publicly verified by either the lawyer or the RCMP. That a lawyer would send gmail (to who?) instead of using her professional office email is a red flag IMO.

Do you remember the early arrest alert on the Security Services website that never happened? We never learned what that was about either.

The quotes from the lawyer in the article aren't enough for you? lol

Look at the email... look at her email address that is blacked out.... it's not a @gmail email. I'm thinking most likely she forwarded the email to a gmail account (whether the reporter or news station or whoever)
 
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Yes but do you think it’s appropriate then for his ex wife, who’s a victim as well, respond to his ongoing concerns and complaints via the media?

So that the public can become involved in determining who’s right and who’s wrong without knowing any of the facts of their marital discourse? During a time when their son is making headline news for having fled across the country after being accused of the murder of three innocent people and subsequently found dead by suicide?
I'm not defending his behavior or saying that he has behaved the most wisely--I'm just noting that he is still a victim in this case and is grieving what would be a horrible tragedy for any parent.
 
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