Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[Zella]

Yes I agree however AS claims his victimization is caused by his ex-wife. And reportedly she fears for her life according to court records, a victim of criminal harassment. Does that make each of them victims of each other? It certainly is a very sad saga all around but not enough information is known for me to judge and frankly, I admire Bs mother and grandmother for not engaging in a media battle with AS. I think that’s what he’s looking for yet their primary focus at this time must be dealing with their grief.

I'm only speaking of them as victims within the context of their son killing 3 people and then killing himself. I have no idea what happened with their divorce and have said on here before that I am uncomfortable speculating since we don't know other than to say it was obviously very bitter.

I agree that Bryer's mom and grandma (and the entire McLeod family) are wiser to have been quiet, though people on here have bashed them for that, too. Can't win either way, really.

That being said, as I have said on here before, I think some of the reason why Bryer's dad talks to the media is because he is lonely but is a talker. I don't think it was right for him to drudge up old feuds with his ex-wife and her family in the media, but I can't really judge him for trying to process his confusion over what Bryer did and for doing so publicly, even though, yeah, it probably wasn't a wise decision to do so in the long run.

 

[Optics]

Letter to lawyer says video has to do with how suspect Bryer Schmegelsky wanted his body dealt with

Sarah Leamon says her client, Al Schmegelsky, father of Bryer Schmegelsky, wants to see the video to better understand his son's last wishes.

"My client is simply seeking access to that video so that he can look at it and so he can get some emotional closure with respect to these circumstances," Leamon said.


In a letter to Leamon dated Aug. 21, RCMP say the video "has to do with how Bryer wanted his body dealt with after death and that information was passed on to his mother, the next of kin."

The letter also says RCMP haven't publicly discussed or acknowledged the video, but plan to do so "in the next couple of weeks."

RCMP also ask Leamon to keep information about the video private until they do so.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/northern-bc-suspects-video-1.5259069

Yes and that is the 'thing' - the RCMP did not release publically about a video, that came from 'anonymous' family. I think in terms of AS that's a bit of the issue, that he can't be trusted to keep it private for now. It's evident simply in the crumpled email copy which is probably his, that he released. Feel for the guy but he's a bit of a loose cannon that way.

 

[LoisLane]

What on earth is in that video that AS must not see? I really wonder. It must be very important if this much effort is going into not letting him see it, but others have been allowed to see it, IMO.

Just thinking out loud..

If it was anything that would jeopardize the investigation then the family wouldn’t be privy to it either so it can’t be that. If Bryer made a specific request or statement about his father then could that be enough to exclude him (depending on the request) or could it be more grounds for AS to learn what was said?

I have a hard time trusting that this was to follow a protocol that only his mother (as next of kin) could view it and not the father. It’s not like the father was unreachable or not known to police. It just makes no sense to me. If police are not to mix in family matters then why do they share the video with the next of kin instead of having a lawyer specializing in wills and estates handle it?

Is there a strict legality that absolutely prevents AS from seeing this video? In general, if a will is contested it can be from family or other parties that are not listed in a will so how do they gain access to will details in order to make their claim?

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, Bryer was such a good kid. His hobbies included playing war and "training in camouflage" in the bush for hours on end, collecting Nazi memorabilia, playing violent video games, threatening other students, and killing three innocent people. What a sweetie.

Yes they were just little boys too, during the AU 60 Minutes interview. I get the impression AS is so hostile towards police that he may never accept any evidence that points toward his son’s guilt.

 

[Zella]

Yes and that is the 'thing' - the RCMP did not release publically about a video, that came from 'anonymous' family. I think in terms of AS that's a bit of the issue, that he can't be trusted to keep it private for now. It's evident simply in the crumpled email copy which is probably his, that he released. Feel for the guy but he's a bit of a loose cannon that way.

I also thought that the crumpled piece of paper was Alan's personal copy. MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

Just thinking out loud..

If it was anything that would jeopardize the investigation then the family wouldn’t be privy to it either so it can’t be that. If Bryer made a specific request or statement about his father then could that be enough to exclude him (depending on the request) or could it be more grounds for AS to learn what was said?

I have a hard time trusting that this was to follow a protocol that only his mother (as next of kin) could view it and not the father. It’s not like the father was unreachable or not known to police. It just makes no sense to me. If police are not to mix in family matters then why do they share the video with the next of kin instead of having a lawyer specializing in wills and estates handle it?

Is there a strict legality that absolutely prevents AS from seeing this video? In general, if a will is contested it can be from family or other parties that are not listed in a will so how do they gain access to will details in order to make their claim?

What assets would B have that’d require a “Last Will and Testament” anyway? Did B (or K) really think any family member would be honoured to be the benefactor?

I’m not 100% certain there is a video and I’m holding out until the RCMP confirm or deny it.

If there’s no video, well then I might speculate AS will claim it was destroyed. How does he know there’s a video if he’s not seen it and other family members have shut him out???

 

[MassGuy]

Yes and that is the 'thing' - the RCMP did not release publically about a video, that came from 'anonymous' family. I think in terms of AS that's a bit of the issue, that he can't be trusted to keep it private for now. It's evident simply in the crumpled email copy which is probably his, that he released. Feel for the guy but he's a bit of a loose cannon that way.

Absolutely. As a matter of practice, it’s a bad idea to inform family members of information that is relevant to an ongoing investigation.

Leaks happen.

In this case, it’s an especially bad move.

No way should anyone see this entire video until law enforcement has finished its investigation.

If this guy sees it, we’ll know all the details within hours.

 

[NJSleuth91]

What assets would B have that’d require a “Last Will and Testament” anyway?

So far I think the most popular speculation is that they asked to be buried together. Good luck with that.

 

[Optics]

If BS's mother brought her mother or her partner to see the video, I don't see the big deal. I think she'd be allowed to bring a support person along, so I don't see that helping AS's case to see the video in anyway. Now, if the two of them were getting along and she asked for AS to also be in attendance to view the video, I could see the RCMP allowing that also, imo.

The RCMP only showed the portion that was the supposed 'last will and testament' they would only contact and allow the person - in this case if it was Bryer's mom - I can't see that they would allow her partner to watch it. They would be pretty rigid - just like any person who dies and there is a 'last will and testament' only the people concerned are allowed to hear it. Bryer's mom whatever her relationship is, had her home searched along with grandma, so I assume there was some pre-established line of 'command'.

 

[Zella]

Bryer's mom whatever her relationship is, had her home searched along with grandma,

SBM

I hadn't realized that, but it makes sense.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Frankly, I feel it's a shame the parents can't just put their issues with each other and their indifferences aside for ONE day to put to rest a child they had together.

I can empathize if BS's mom is scared of harassment, but maybe have an RCMP escort? They don't have to talk or even look at each other or even be there at the same time - take turns/shifts at the affair to say their goodbyes or whatever.

It's both their blood in BS and I feel they both have a right, JMO.

 

[KR72]

Just thinking out loud..

If it was anything that would jeopardize the investigation then the family wouldn’t be privy to it either so it can’t be that. If Bryer made a specific request or statement about his father then could that be enough to exclude him (depending on the request) or could it be more grounds for AS to learn what was said?

I have a hard time trusting that this was to follow a protocol that only his mother (as next of kin) could view it and not the father. It’s not like the father was unreachable or not known to police. It just makes no sense to me. If police are not to mix in family matters then why do they share the video with the next of kin instead of having a lawyer specializing in wills and estates handle it?

Is there a strict legality that absolutely prevents AS from seeing this video? In general, if a will is contested it can be from family or other parties that are not listed in a will so how do they gain access to will details in order to make their claim?

You know what I've thought of along those lines? I wonder if Bryer held a deep resentment towards his father, even hatred? It sure seems that Bryer used him for things in recent times. AS is homeless, but bought him $100 cologne, before that it was the expensive airsoft rifle, and probably a host of other things AS hasn't publicly mentioned. I don't doubt that AS loved his son, but maybe he was also trying to buy his affection, and there's not a kid on earth that doesn't realize it when that happens. Some will even take full advantage.

Maybe Bryer was angry at him for reasons we aren't privy to? I know that sometimes kids of divorce end up realizing just who was the supportive parent, (even if they had conflicts with that parent). I'm a child of divorce, and it was in my later teen years that I learned which parent had my back, put a roof over my head and clothes on my back, and who was the "fun" parent with less rules.

All just my own random thoughts of course.

 

[LoisLane]

What assets would B have that’d require a “Last Will and Testament” anyway? Did he really think any family member would be honoured to be the benefactor?

I’m not 100% certain there is a video and I’m holding out until the RCMP confirm or deny it.

If there’s no video, well then I might speculate AS will claim it was destroyed. How does he know there’s a video if he’s not seen it and other family members have shut him out???

A bank account, personal items such as jewelry or keepsakes, books, who knows... the air soft gun and anything on him is probably in evidence so that’s off the table.

 

[srper2]

I am also thinking that the folded, crumpled paper was given to AS in confidence, with key names penned out to prevent him from hounding people. He has then become frustrated after realising his sons funeral has come and gone without him being notified and he still has been given no information. Then he has leaked this letter, doing the exact thing the RCMP are trying to avoid at the current time. (I honestly feel that a lot of RCMP secrecy has been for unfounded reasons all throughout this investigation and mainly because they kept hoping they were going to stumble on evidence, which so far none has been produced in regard to the murders of CD and LF).

 

[Optics]

I have some, um, interesting relatives, and in my experience, funeral homes can work wonders with family estrangements. If Bryer's mom's family didn't want to be around him at the funeral, which I understand given the history between them, I still think something could have been arranged for the dad's side at a separate time.

To be honest, I don't think their bodies were shipped back to PA to be buried, I have a feeling Bryer's or both of theirs were cremated. It's extremely expensive to have a body shipped across country. I could be wrong but my gut says they were cremated and ashes returned to the families

 

[Zella]

To be honest, I don't think there were bodies shipped back to PA to be buried, I have a feeling Bryer's or both of theirs were cremated. It's extremely expensive to have a body shipped across country. I could be wrong but my gut says they were cremated and ashes returned to the families

You're probably right. As we've talked about on here, even if cost wasn't an issue, I seriously doubt either of them would have been able to have an open casket or been viewed by family anyway.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

You know what I've thought of along those lines? I wonder if Bryer held a deep resentment towards his father, even hatred? It sure seems that Bryer used him for things in recent times. AS is homeless, but bought him $100 cologne, before that it was the expensive airsoft rifle, and probably a host of other things AS hasn't publicly mentioned. I don't doubt that AS loved his son, but maybe he was also trying to buy his affection, and there's not a kid on earth that doesn't realize it when that happens. Some will even take full advantage.

Maybe Bryer was angry at him for reasons we aren't privy to? I know that sometimes kids of divorce end up realizing just who was the supportive parent, (even if they had conflicts with that parent). I'm a child of divorce, and it was in my later teen years that I learned which parent had my back, put a roof over my head and clothes on my back, and who was the "fun" parent with less rules.

All just my own random thoughts of course.

I'm am completely baffled about the $100 cologne. I do not believe that at all!

BS wanting brand name, designer cologne?? And AS had to mail it to him IIRC? That is so fishy to me. I do not think it was actual cologne. I thought maybe it was pot lol

 

[MassGuy]

You're probably right. As we've talked about on here, even if cost wasn't an issue, I seriously doubt either of them would have been able to have an open casket or been viewed by family anyway.

Hell no. Their bodies would have been decomposing, as they were dead for days.

That’s not even factoring in the manner in which they took their lives, which is inherently messy.

That wouldn’t have been a pretty sight.

 

[Zella]

I'm am completely baffled about the $100 cologne. I do not believe that at all!

BS wanting brand name, designer cologne?? And AS had to mail it to him IIRC? That is so fishy to me. I do not think it was actual cologne. I thought maybe it was pot lol

I initially thought the cologne was an odd request--other that the suit, Bryer's clothes/appearance always look very utilitarian in photos, even more so than Kam, with his fondness for quirky T-shirts--but after we all talked about how weirdly spiffy he and Kam looked in the store surveillance footage after they were on the run, I started to think maybe he genuinely did want cologne. I don't know. MOO

 

[Zella]

Hell no. Their bodies would have been decomposing, as they were dead for days.

That’s not even factoring in the manner in which they took their lives, which is inherently messy.

That wouldn’t have been a pretty sight.

Agreed 100%. There's no funeral home in the world that could have made them presentable.